Granderson to Yankees in 3-way trade? p. 20

[Tarver]

One thing that's been mostly glossed over is that next to maybe Verlander and Cabrera, Granderson is the closest the Tigers have to a marquee, face-of-the-franchise type of guy. They're not going to give away a fan favorite for a bunch of guys nobody in Detroit's ever heard of.

 

Now I'm sure the cavalry will be along to explain how ridiculous this all sounds and how none of this junk matters, but let's keep in mind that teams are keen on attracting fans and selling tickets in addition to winning ballgames. Folks here may have maximizing on-field performance as the singular goal, but the reality is actual front office types have to think more broadly than that.

 

Pretty sure the horses aren't leaving the stable.

[Backtobanks]

One thing that's been mostly glossed over is that next to maybe Verlander and Cabrera, Granderson is the closest the Tigers have to a marquee, face-of-the-franchise type of guy. They're not going to give away a fan favorite for a bunch of guys nobody in Detroit's ever heard of.

 

Now I'm sure the cavalry will be along to explain how ridiculous this all sounds and how none of this junk matters, but let's keep in mind that teams are keen on attracting fans and selling tickets in addition to winning ballgames. Folks here may have maximizing on-field performance as the singular goal, but the reality is actual front office types have to think more broadly than that.

 

That is one of the points some of us have made in the ongoing discussion about why Bradley has to be traded.

[Serge]

I'm not interested in this at all, and if Hendry does get Granderson, he will have dramatically overpaid for Granderson while at the same time got taken to the cleaners on Bradley.

 

Can we just fire Hendry already and stop this nonsense?

 

How often does Hendry way overpay in trades? Pierre's the only major one I can think of. He's good at trades, it's free agency he's bad at.

 

The only way he's getting Granderson is if he is willing to overpay. Detroit is not going to just give him way. They view Granderson as a guy still in his prime, fairly inexpensive, plays one of the toughest positions on the field, hits from the left side of the plate and does it pretty well. Besides all that, other teams are going to be interested in Granderson. The market for him will require that someone overpay if they want him. Detroit basically announced to the world "here is Granderson if you want him". And if someone is willing to pay Detroit's price, they can probably have him.

 

The only way Granderson goes to the Cubs is if some of the Cubs best young players/prospects are wearing Tiger uniforms in 2010.

 

Personally, I don't think Granderson is a difference maker when stacking up his abilities with the rest of the team.

 

Oh gotchya, I assumed you meant he'd overpay in a "Hendry's an idiot sense" not in a "the Tigers don't need to deal him" sense. And say what you will about Hendry the guy has come out ahead with trades, particularly in knowing which of his own guys to dump.

[Rob]

One thing that's been mostly glossed over is that next to maybe Verlander and Cabrera, Granderson is the closest the Tigers have to a marquee, face-of-the-franchise type of guy. They're not going to give away a fan favorite for a bunch of guys nobody in Detroit's ever heard of.

 

Now I'm sure the cavalry will be along to explain how ridiculous this all sounds and how none of this junk matters, but let's keep in mind that teams are keen on attracting fans and selling tickets in addition to winning ballgames. Folks here may have maximizing on-field performance as the singular goal, but the reality is actual front office types have to think more broadly than that.

 

Winning ballgames is what sells the tickets. The fans will always find players to dump the "face of the franchise" label onto.

[SouthSideRyan]

BR doesn't have attendance #s yet, but let's just say Milton Bradley wasn't depressing ticket sales in '09.

[davearm2]

BR doesn't have attendance #s yet, but let's just say Milton Bradley wasn't depressing ticket sales in '09.

What does Milton Bradley have to do with anything? This is a Granderson thread.

 

The Tigers face a regional economy that's in the gutter, a ballpark which isn't a draw in and of itself now that the newness has worn away, and a team that just choked away a division title. I'd say they're probably fairly concerned about putting butts in seats -- way more so than the Cubs for sure.

[davearm2]

One thing that's been mostly glossed over is that next to maybe Verlander and Cabrera, Granderson is the closest the Tigers have to a marquee, face-of-the-franchise type of guy. They're not going to give away a fan favorite for a bunch of guys nobody in Detroit's ever heard of.

 

Now I'm sure the cavalry will be along to explain how ridiculous this all sounds and how none of this junk matters, but let's keep in mind that teams are keen on attracting fans and selling tickets in addition to winning ballgames. Folks here may have maximizing on-field performance as the singular goal, but the reality is actual front office types have to think more broadly than that.

 

Winning ballgames is what sells the tickets. The fans will always find players to dump the "face of the franchise" label onto.

OK so suggest a trade that allows the Tigers to win more ballgames in 2010.

[SouthSideRyan]

That is one of the points some of us have made in the ongoing discussion about why Bradley has to be traded.

[Rob]

One thing that's been mostly glossed over is that next to maybe Verlander and Cabrera, Granderson is the closest the Tigers have to a marquee, face-of-the-franchise type of guy. They're not going to give away a fan favorite for a bunch of guys nobody in Detroit's ever heard of.

 

Now I'm sure the cavalry will be along to explain how ridiculous this all sounds and how none of this junk matters, but let's keep in mind that teams are keen on attracting fans and selling tickets in addition to winning ballgames. Folks here may have maximizing on-field performance as the singular goal, but the reality is actual front office types have to think more broadly than that.

 

Winning ballgames is what sells the tickets. The fans will always find players to dump the "face of the franchise" label onto.

OK so suggest a trade that allows the Tigers to win more ballgames in 2010.

 

Why is 2010 the only year that matters? Even the Mayan apocalypse crazies believe there'll be 2011 and 2012 baseball seasons.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Rather than start a new thread, might I suggest David DeJesus as an alternative? I know hes been brought up in years past,but not this year. That way, Lou gets his lefty. I know hes not the type of guy whose going to put us over the top, but hed be a solid 5-6 hitter, which is really what were looking for. I dont know much about his defense, but hed be a lot cheaper than Granderson prospect wise and Cameron money wise.

[Derwood]

If Granderson is this year's Roberts/Peavy, then we need to reassess our standards

[CUBZ99]

If Granderson is this year's Roberts/Peavy, then we need to reassess our standards

 

Exactly.

[Backtobanks]

Rather than start a new thread, might I suggest David DeJesus as an alternative? I know hes been brought up in years past,but not this year. That way, Lou gets his lefty. I know hes not the type of guy whose going to put us over the top, but hed be a solid 5-6 hitter, which is really what were looking for. I dont know much about his defense, but hed be a lot cheaper than Granderson prospect wise and Cameron money wise.

 

I suggested DeJesus awhile ago as a possibility for CF. Not sure what the Royals would want, but Colvin/Fuld + Berg/Stevens + another prospect might pique their interest.

[davearm2]

One thing that's been mostly glossed over is that next to maybe Verlander and Cabrera, Granderson is the closest the Tigers have to a marquee, face-of-the-franchise type of guy. They're not going to give away a fan favorite for a bunch of guys nobody in Detroit's ever heard of.

 

Now I'm sure the cavalry will be along to explain how ridiculous this all sounds and how none of this junk matters, but let's keep in mind that teams are keen on attracting fans and selling tickets in addition to winning ballgames. Folks here may have maximizing on-field performance as the singular goal, but the reality is actual front office types have to think more broadly than that.

 

Winning ballgames is what sells the tickets. The fans will always find players to dump the "face of the franchise" label onto.

OK so suggest a trade that allows the Tigers to win more ballgames in 2010.

 

Why is 2010 the only year that matters? Even the Mayan apocalypse crazies believe there'll be 2011 and 2012 baseball seasons.

OK then suggest a trade that allows the Tigers to win more ballgames over the next 3-4 years.

[Sever82]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/edwin-jackson-rumors-monday.html

 

Edwin Jackson Rumors: Monday

By Tim Dierkes [December 7, 2009 at 12:57pm CST]

USA Today's Bob Nightengale tweets that the Tigers are close to trading Edwin Jackson, "perhaps as early as today." No word on the potential destination, but we'll keep you apprised in this post. What's more, Nightengale says the Tigers hope to trade Curtis Granderson this week.

 

The Tigers acquired Jackson from the Rays during the Winter Meetings last year, on December 10th.

 

PLease Hendry get Granderson and Jackson in some type of miracle three way deal that rids us of Bradley, please :D

[Sever82]

Yankees could thwart Cubs' shot at Granderson

December 7, 2009 1:28 PM | No Comments

By Dave van Dyck

 

INDIANAPOLIS -- Latest hot winter-meetings rumor making the rounds in the Marriott Hotel lobby is that the Yankees are hot on the trail of Tigers center fielder Curtis Granderson, and that is not good news for the Cubs.

 

While the Cubs seem stuck, money-wise, until Milton Bradley departs, the Yankees apparently are trying to put together a package of young players. One executive said the Cubs might have a more attractive offer and that manager Lou Piniella loves Granderson, a Chicago native.

Both teams also are interested in Mike Cameron if they lose out on Granderson, although it is not a lock the Tigers will be dealing him.

 

The Yankees also have the ability to take on starter Edwin Jackson, and a report in USA Today had Jackson being close to leaving the Tigers in a trade. The Cubs may not have the ability to take both players.

[Sever82]

Just curious but there is a report on ChicagoSports.com that the cubs are interested in Heath Bell from the padres and that the padres would be interested in Theriot or Soto. Would anybody here be opposed to trading Theriot to the Padres for Bell and then centering a deal to the Tigers for Granderson that revolves around Marmol?

[dew1679666265]

Just curious but there is a report on ChicagoSports.com that the cubs are interested in Heath Bell from the padres and that the padres would be interested in Theriot or Soto. Would anybody here be opposed to trading Theriot to the Padres for Bell and then centering a deal to the Tigers for Granderson that revolves around Marmol?

 

The offense would have to be good enough to put Blanco in at SS, I think. Unless you want to rush Castro, and I'd prefer not to.

[Neuby]

Phil Rogers is never right, but if the Cubs could get Bell on package built around Theriot , I would be all over it.

[Sever82]

Just curious but there is a report on ChicagoSports.com that the cubs are interested in Heath Bell from the padres and that the padres would be interested in Theriot or Soto. Would anybody here be opposed to trading Theriot to the Padres for Bell and then centering a deal to the Tigers for Granderson that revolves around Marmol?

 

The offense would have to be good enough to put Blanco in at SS, I think. Unless you want to rush Castro, and I'd prefer not to.

 

If the cubs acquire Granderson by letting go of Marmol and Theriot, i'm all for it, even if it rushes Castro because i think Castro would still develop with the big league club under Jaramillo.

[dew1679666265]

Just curious but there is a report on ChicagoSports.com that the cubs are interested in Heath Bell from the padres and that the padres would be interested in Theriot or Soto. Would anybody here be opposed to trading Theriot to the Padres for Bell and then centering a deal to the Tigers for Granderson that revolves around Marmol?

 

The offense would have to be good enough to put Blanco in at SS, I think. Unless you want to rush Castro, and I'd prefer not to.

 

If the cubs acquire Granderson by letting go of Marmol and Theriot, i'm all for it, even if it rushes Castro because i think Castro would still develop with the big league club under Jaramillo.

 

The key would be not hurting his confidence. If he comes up and puts up a .220/.230/.385 line this year, how does he handle that? I don't know, but I'd prefer to take it slowly with a promising player as young as he is.

[Sever82]

Just curious but there is a report on ChicagoSports.com that the cubs are interested in Heath Bell from the padres and that the padres would be interested in Theriot or Soto. Would anybody here be opposed to trading Theriot to the Padres for Bell and then centering a deal to the Tigers for Granderson that revolves around Marmol?

 

The offense would have to be good enough to put Blanco in at SS, I think. Unless you want to rush Castro, and I'd prefer not to.

 

If the cubs acquire Granderson by letting go of Marmol and Theriot, i'm all for it, even if it rushes Castro because i think Castro would still develop with the big league club under Jaramillo.

 

The key would be not hurting his confidence. If he comes up and puts up a .220/.230/.385 line this year, how does he handle that? I don't know, but I'd prefer to take it slowly with a promising player as young as he is.

 

I think he'll handle it just fine. He's only 19 yrs old and reading some of the spanish articles and english articles on him, he seems to have a lot of self confidence. If he was a player that was passive and kept referring back to the organization when asked about his developed then i would agree with you but from all the quotes i read, he expects to be in the big leagues this year and is confident in his skills.

[Neuby]

I would prefer to bring in a verteran shortstop on the cheap to compete with Blanco for the starting job ,letting Castro learn in Iowa with Jon Joshua, and it starts his arby clock later.

[dew1679666265]

I would prefer to bring in a verteran shortstop on the cheap to compete with Blanco for the starting job ,letting Castro learn in Iowa with Jon Joshua, and it starts his arby clock later.

 

I'd prefer that if we traded Theriot, not because I don't have confidence in Castro, but just because I prefer being extra cautious with players as promising as he is.

[Tarver]

I would prefer to bring in a verteran shortstop on the cheap to compete with Blanco for the starting job ,letting Castro learn in Iowa with Jon Joshua, and it starts his arby clock later.

 

They need to play their absolute best option next year, regardless of service time. '11 looks rough.