Re: 2009-10 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Tyrant]

Is there any doubt the Bulls are going to fail to land a big fish free agent? Or do people still think that's going to actually happen?

 

They'll end up with the equivalent of Ron Mercer. No way LeBron, Wade or Bosh wants to come to a team that blows 35 point leads to Sacramento.

[Soul]

Vinny represents a major credibility gap for this franchise. The sooner they acknowledge it and fire him, the better. I don't want to be here in March still discussing the insanity of his hiring and wondering why nothing is STILL being done about it.

 

If I'm a big time free agent, yes the fact that they let something like this fester for additional months would be just another red flag pushing me towards other options.

[Flames24Rulz]

I posted this on RealGM, but I thought I'd share here, because I am sick to my stomach watching VDN coach this team into the ground with little consequence.

 

The thing that the decision makers in the Bulls front office should be asking themselves regarding VDN is: After 115 games as the Bulls coach, do you believe that VDN is or has the potential to be an above average NBA head coach, capable of out coaching other NBA head coaches, capable of getting his players to perform at or most likely above their collective talent levels, capable of motivating his players and getting them to buy into the system and play as a team at a possible sacrifice for their own individual statistics and agendas?

 

Do you John Paxson or Gar Forman see any of that in Vinny? If not, can you see him EVER coming close to that coach? If you gave him a team of All Stars, do you feel confident that he would find the best way to utilize these players and be a steadying hand to guide them to their potential. If you gave him a team of promising rookies, do you feel confident that he could find ways to get each of these players their own roles that will allow them to contribute to the greater good of the team while also developing them to reach their furthest potential?

 

It's quite simple, you can keep waiting for a strong reason to fire Vinny, coming close and then backing off because of a 2 game winning streak, or you can realize that you have seen nothing in this coach that tells you he will ever have the skills necessary to be a competent NBA head coach.

 

VDN is a joke around the NBA, the media covering the NBA and the fans watching the NBA. Apparently the only one that doesn't get the joke is the Bulls organization.

 

These are all valid points, but firing Vinny now as opposed to in January or April won't accomplish anything. They're going to have an interim coach, because no respectable coach will want to come in midseason and try to clean this up.

 

As long as Vinny is fired before the year is over, or within a few days of that, it doesn't really matter.

 

I said this right after the game but if you don't fire him within the next week, you might as well just give the bastard an extension. You're already showing that you don't care about the product on the court in the first place and then you keep a coach who lost to a team that was 1-19, has consistently been blown out this season, and oh yeah...they just blew a 35 point lead to the Kings at home.

 

If VDN isn't fired after tonight, there needs to be an investigation as to what's going on behind closed doors. Everyone knows this organization is filled with idiots but if VDN keeps his job after all of this and somehow lasts the season, it just goes to show you how uncommitted they really are to doing anything this year. They deserve to have the 2010 FA class blow up in their face if VDN isn't canned.

[SpongeWorthy]

It really is a stunning choke job. You could probably hold on to win with a 35 point lead with ~8 minutes in the 3rd quarter by holding on to the ball or just passing it around the perimeter until the shot clock expires.

[SpongeWorthy]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63574/20091222/bulls_giving_del_negro_until_mid_january/

 

Vinny's got til mid January per RealGM.

[Flames24Rulz]

Hopefully the Knicks win by 40 tonight.

[illiniguy]

It really is a stunning choke job. You could probably hold on to win with a 35 point lead with ~8 minutes in the 3rd quarter by holding on to the ball or just passing it around the perimeter until the shot clock expires.

You could have probably switched out a decent college team for the Bulls and not blown that lead. Amazing. I am starting to question the star power of DRose as well. At dome point a franchise point guard has to take control of a team.

[UMFan83]

Is there any doubt the Bulls are going to fail to land a big fish free agent? Or do people still think that's going to actually happen?

 

zero chance

 

We might might get lucky to get one of the second tier of FAs, but that's only if enough of these people are looking to leave their current teams or aren't being offered max value. I'm talking something like Joe Johnson or Carlos Boozer.

 

I think the Bulls if they haven't already should not even bother throwing any eggs into the Wade/James/Bosh basket and focus on an offseason plan of trying to sign Boozer and Johnson (supposedly according to ESPN1000 today they would have enough for both if Salmons opts out).

 

Our lineup would be:

 

Derrick Rose

Joe Johnson

Luol Deng

Carlos Boozer

Joakim Noah

 

You have a facilitator and secondary scorer (Rose), you have a SG who is a shooter that can space the floor and also slash, you have Deng finally relagated to 4th option where his skills could best be used, you get your low post scorer who you have been dying to have who can give you muscle, and legitimacy to the low post to help everyone else out, and then you have your energy muscle guy, who is turning into a halfway decent help defender. You can even put Noah on the PF on defense and Boozer on the Center if it works out that way.

 

Then if you have any money left, go for someone like Kyle Korver as a 7th or 8th man off the bench to help space the floor for the second unit.

 

I'd probably rather have those 3 than just Wade, and although neither scenario is highly likely, the former scenario is a lot more likely than the latter. Joe Johnson seems like someone who would get attention from us. He's played in relative obscurity in Atlanta and before that Phoenix for most of his career and would likely enjoy stepping up in the spotlight a bit, plus Atlanta's management is having money issues and may not be able to pay JJ what he wants. Boozer has said nice things about Chicago in the past, is highly unlikely to go back to Utah so that leaves Miami or Chicago as main suiters. If Miami gets Bosh, Chicago is probably his number 1 option.

[SpongeWorthy]

I have a hard time believing we can afford Boozer and Johnson. Then again I don't really know anything about the cap. My understanding is is that if Salmons opted out and Tyrus leaves there will be enough money for one max free agent and not much else.

[UMFan83]

I have a hard time believing we can afford Boozer and Johnson. Then again I don't really know anything about the cap. My understanding is is that if Salmons opted out and Tyrus leaves there will be enough money for one max free agent and not much else.

 

Here is a good site to look at that

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm

 

The Bulls would be around $31 million without Thomas and Salmons, but then again you are talking about a team that has only 6 players signed at $31 million. Obviously if you can trade Hinrich that would make it a lot more likely

[SpongeWorthy]

Now I'm scared that Salmons will continue to be so awful that he'll have to opt in and try to rebuild his value next year. This guy is the anti Erick Dampier.

[DivineBovine]

I have a hard time believing we can afford Boozer and Johnson. Then again I don't really know anything about the cap. My understanding is is that if Salmons opted out and Tyrus leaves there will be enough money for one max free agent and not much else.

 

 

I agree. I'd like to see how that is possible.

 

I'd also like to know how much Boozer and Johnson ask for. They will probably want near max deals themselves.

 

With the salary maximum in the NBA, the elite players are always a better bargain than the second tier players.

Who's more worth it, Kobe/Lebron at $22 million or Rashard Lewis/Elton Brand at $14-17 milion?

 

 

Boozer and Johnson are very enticing if they are asking $10-$12 million/year. That's is highly unlikely.

[hawkeyecub]

The more I see the Jazz, the less and less I would ever want Carlos Boozer on my team. And I was a guy who was hoping for a year or so that the Pistons would sign him as a free agent this past summer.

 

I also think Joe Johnson is going to get very close to a max contract.

[RedFlash]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63574/20091222/bulls_giving_del_negro_until_mid_january/

 

Oh brother. This is why this organization will be nothing more then mediocre. GarPax can go to hell if they stay with this plan.

[imb]

WIN ONE FOR THE VINNY

[SpongeWorthy]

We're in the midst of a scintillating comeback against the powerhouse Knicks.

[SpongeWorthy]

Brilliant inbounds plays Vinny!

[SpongeWorthy]

Disband the team.

[Flames24Rulz]

That would have been a catastrophic win, if there ever was such a thing.

[jersey cubs fan]

NBA games are incredibly boring events to attend. There was more or less a packed house in MSG last night, and absolutely no 'buzz' whatsoever. And the Bulls stink. Rose and that Gibson guy look like the only two guys with interesting ability.

[Guest]

NBA games are incredibly boring events to attend. There was more or less a packed house in MSG last night, and absolutely no 'buzz' whatsoever. And the Bulls stink. Rose and that Gibson guy look like the only two guys with interesting ability.

 

Gibson? Really?

[jersey cubs fan]

NBA games are incredibly boring events to attend. There was more or less a packed house in MSG last night, and absolutely no 'buzz' whatsoever. And the Bulls stink. Rose and that Gibson guy look like the only two guys with interesting ability.

 

Gibson? Really?

 

He was number 22 right? He and Rose were the only guys who stood out as talented, not that he stood out all that much. Hinrich looks bad, Miller looks bad (why was he the featured shooter late in the game?), Noah looks effective but extremely clumsy and ugly. I forgot about Deng, he looked pretty good from time to time, but it seemed like he was out there the entire time and didn't do a heck of a lot. Maybe that's unfair, and of course this is the impression of a guy who knows very little about basketball.

 

That Salmons guy is a joke. I didn't understand why people thought a couple months of nice play after the trade meant he should become the go to guy.

[Guest]

NBA games are incredibly boring events to attend. There was more or less a packed house in MSG last night, and absolutely no 'buzz' whatsoever. And the Bulls stink. Rose and that Gibson guy look like the only two guys with interesting ability.

 

Gibson? Really?

 

He was number 22 right? He and Rose were the only guys who stood out as talented, not that he stood out all that much. Hinrich looks bad, Miller looks bad (why was he the featured shooter late in the game?), Noah looks effective but extremely clumsy and ugly. I forgot about Deng, he looked pretty good from time to time, but it seemed like he was out there the entire time and didn't do a heck of a lot. Maybe that's unfair, and of course this is the impression of a guy who knows very little about basketball.

 

That Salmons guy is a joke. I didn't understand why people thought a couple months of nice play after the trade meant he should become the go to guy.

 

Yeah, that's Gibson. I'm surprised he looked remotely talented. The Deng, Hinrich, Miller and Salmons notes sound about right. Noah comes off looking clumsy a lot and yet has good games, especially on the boards and defensively. Extremely unorthodox.

 

Basically this team has to bank on getting a true superstar this summer.

[Flames24Rulz]

NBA games are incredibly boring events to attend. There was more or less a packed house in MSG last night, and absolutely no 'buzz' whatsoever. And the Bulls stink. Rose and that Gibson guy look like the only two guys with interesting ability.

 

Gibson? Really?

 

He was number 22 right? He and Rose were the only guys who stood out as talented, not that he stood out all that much. Hinrich looks bad, Miller looks bad (why was he the featured shooter late in the game?), Noah looks effective but extremely clumsy and ugly. I forgot about Deng, he looked pretty good from time to time, but it seemed like he was out there the entire time and didn't do a heck of a lot. Maybe that's unfair, and of course this is the impression of a guy who knows very little about basketball.

 

That Salmons guy is a joke. I didn't understand why people thought a couple months of nice play after the trade meant he should become the go to guy.

 

Deng's a guy that is talented but if he's not used in plays where he's cutting, he's extremely ineffective and he disappears for quite some time on offense.

 

Everything else sounds about right. I've been pleasantly surprised with Gibson this year but I don't think he's going to be anything more than a serviceable role player in the league.

[Flames24Rulz]

Oh and VDN cancelled practice today. lol.