NFL Week 7

[Andy]

Blast.

 

Coach Jeff Fisher said he would consider "minor roster changes" during the bye week, but he's not expected to replace Collins with Vince Young before the Nov. 1 game against the Jaguars.

Bill Simmons made a good point about Young on his podcast this week (and Brady Quinn to a lesser extent but I think it's more applicable to Young). He rhetorically asked when Young is ever going to play if not now. If teams don't believe in these young quarterbacks enough to toss them out there in a season that's going nowhere anyway, when are they ever going to, and should they even bother holding on to them if they don't think they can cut it?

[dew1679666265]

Blast.

 

Coach Jeff Fisher said he would consider "minor roster changes" during the bye week, but he's not expected to replace Collins with Vince Young before the Nov. 1 game against the Jaguars.

Bill Simmons made a good point about Young on his podcast this week (and Brady Quinn to a lesser extent but I think it's more applicable to Young). He rhetorically asked when Young is ever going to play if not now. If teams don't believe in these young quarterbacks enough to toss them out there in a season that's going nowhere anyway, when are they ever going to, and should they even bother holding on to them if they don't think they can cut it?

 

Vince's salary is going to skyrocket from $4 million (roughly) this season to $14 million next year. The Titans would certainly cut him in the offseason if they don't trust him to be the QB of the future.

 

I think the reason the Titans won't bench Collins is that they don't want to throw the towel in for this season and, thus, still believe Kerry gives them the best chance to win games now. That's probably true, but where I disagree with them is on this season being salvagable. If we go 10-0 the rest of the way and make the playoffs, I'll happily eat crow, but with the injuries this team has suffered and the poor play, I think building for next year is preferable.

 

For what it's worth, though, I believe it was 2003 that the Titans started 1-4 and then won 11 games straight (I believe) and ended up being knocked out of the AFC championship game by the Raiders. 1-4 is very different than 0-6, though.

[CubbieBum]

If they think throwing in the towel is putting in VY then they really are stupid and should be fired. The fact of the matter is practically nothing is working and in trying to salvage the season you need to obviously change something and VY is the most logical choice. You won with him before let him try again. Not changing is just plain dumb. They are perhaps screwing over their future with VY and if I was the owner I would probably be stepping in.

[dew1679666265]

If they think throwing in the towel is putting in VY then they really are stupid and should be fired. The fact of the matter is practically nothing is working and in trying to salvage the season you need to obviously change something and VY is the most logical choice. You won with him before let him try again. Not changing is just plain dumb. They are perhaps screwing over their future with VY and if I was the owner I would probably be stepping in.

 

I think Bud Adams does want VY to start.

 

However, the Titans won because of Vince in 2007 as much as the Cubs won games because of Shawn Estes in 2003. In 2007, Vince put up this line:

 

62.3 completion %

9:17 TD:INT

71.1 rating

 

The completion percentage is nice and his 4.2 y/c rushing helped quite a bit too, but the TD:INT ratio is not conducive to winning football games. The reason they went 10-6 that year is because of a running game that was #5 in yards and #5 in scoring and a top 10 rated defense. They won 13 games in 2008 for the same reason, with Kerry at QB. The answer to turning things around isn't Vince Young, though I still believe he can be a productive NFL QB.

[Soul]

Well, you're not going to find out if he can be productive by leaving him on the bench. If anyone believes he has a chance to be an NFL QB, then I struggle to conceive a reason why he wouldn't be playing next week. Especially if there's a big contract clause kicking in soon.

[dew1679666265]

Well, you're not going to find out if he can be productive by leaving him on the bench. If anyone believes he has a chance to be an NFL QB, then I struggle to conceive a reason why he wouldn't be playing next week. Especially if there's a big contract clause kicking in soon.

 

Yeah, there's really little reason not to start Vince at this point. Kerry is still likely to be the better QB this season, but the chances of us making the playoffs are so astronomically low that the benefits (development) that Vince would reap from playing greatly outweigh trying to reach the playoffs at this point.

[CubbieBum]

If they think throwing in the towel is putting in VY then they really are stupid and should be fired. The fact of the matter is practically nothing is working and in trying to salvage the season you need to obviously change something and VY is the most logical choice. You won with him before let him try again. Not changing is just plain dumb. They are perhaps screwing over their future with VY and if I was the owner I would probably be stepping in.

 

I think Bud Adams does want VY to start.

 

However, the Titans won because of Vince in 2007 as much as the Cubs won games because of Shawn Estes in 2003. In 2007, Vince put up this line:

 

62.3 completion %

9:17 TD:INT

71.1 rating

 

The completion percentage is nice and his 4.2 y/c rushing helped quite a bit too, but the TD:INT ratio is not conducive to winning football games. The reason they went 10-6 that year is because of a running game that was #5 in yards and #5 in scoring and a top 10 rated defense. They won 13 games in 2008 for the same reason, with Kerry at QB. The answer to turning things around isn't Vince Young, though I still believe he can be a productive NFL QB.

 

I realize all that. I actually dislike VY a lot. Always thought he was overrated. However he did that in his second year never having time to sit and learn. He has had a season and half to learn and could probably do better than that now. Collins is also on pace for 21 interceptions so even if he doesn't do better than his second year it would still be on par with what Collins is doing.

[dew1679666265]

I realize all that. I actually dislike VY a lot. Always thought he was overrated. However he did that in his second year never having time to sit and learn. He has had a season and half to learn and could probably do better than that now. Collins is also on pace for 21 interceptions so even if he doesn't do better than his second year it would still be on par with what Collins is doing.

 

I like Vince and was very happy when we drafted him. A lot of people, I think, evaluate him the same way they evaluate Vick - purely as a passer and don't take his running ability into account (not saying you are, but many do). I still think Vince can be a good NFL QB, but he'll need to show a lot of improvement from his second season.

 

As for this year, Kerry would probably be the better QB, but I don't know if the team is that much worse with Vince in there. The receivers have struggled to catch the ball, so having Vince's running ability would help some. That said, Vince should be the starter against Jacksonville and for the rest of the year so that Reinfeldt/Fisher know whether they need to draft a QB in the 2010 draft or just give Vince the keys to the offense.

[imb]

regardless of what vince young does or doesn't do the rest of the season, he will not be a titan next year. Isn't his cap number like $14 million? part of me thinks tennessee recognizes this is a lost year no matter what happens at QB, and they're afraid that they play vince, he does ok and then everyone gets pissed at them when they cut him in the offseason.

[dew1679666265]

regardless of what vince young does or doesn't do the rest of the season, he will not be a titan next year. Isn't his cap number like $14 million? part of me thinks tennessee recognizes this is a lost year no matter what happens at QB, and they're afraid that they play vince, he does ok and then everyone gets pissed at them when they cut him in the offseason.

 

They'll keep him if he's the starter, but the likelihood of them trusting him as the starter with no playing time the past two years is slim.

[imb]

regardless of what vince young does or doesn't do the rest of the season, he will not be a titan next year. Isn't his cap number like $14 million? part of me thinks tennessee recognizes this is a lost year no matter what happens at QB, and they're afraid that they play vince, he does ok and then everyone gets pissed at them when they cut him in the offseason.

 

They'll keep him if he's the starter, but the likelihood of them trusting him as the starter with no playing time the past two years is slim.

 

what would he have to do to justify dropping $14 million on him next year? In my mind, it's just not feasible. I mean, he would have to just be phenomenal for the remainder of the season to even begin to erase the doubts that have popped up.

[dew1679666265]

regardless of what vince young does or doesn't do the rest of the season, he will not be a titan next year. Isn't his cap number like $14 million? part of me thinks tennessee recognizes this is a lost year no matter what happens at QB, and they're afraid that they play vince, he does ok and then everyone gets pissed at them when they cut him in the offseason.

 

They'll keep him if he's the starter, but the likelihood of them trusting him as the starter with no playing time the past two years is slim.

 

what would he have to do to justify dropping $14 million on him next year? In my mind, it's just not feasible. I mean, he would have to just be phenomenal for the remainder of the season to even begin to erase the doubts that have popped up.

 

Consider, though, that they still have to pay him the guaranteed amount if they cut him (not sure what that is, I haven't looked at his contract in a while) plus they'd probably have to draft a QB high in the 2010 draft and pay him a significant amount of money. It might be cheaper in the long run to give Vince a shot to be the starter and see if he can break through.

 

That said, if they cut him I wouldn't be completely surprised.

[NCCubFan]

Isn't his cap number like $14 million?

Unless a new labor agreement is signed before next season his cap number will be zero. Under the current agreement the cap expires after this year and next year (the last year under the current agreement) is uncapped.

[OleMissCub]

Drew Breeeeeeeeeeees!

 

Geaux Saints

[SpongeWorthy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4593260

 

Antoine Winfield out for 4-6 weeks with a foot injury. That's a pretty big loss for the Vikings.

[hawkeyecub]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4593260

 

Antoine Winfield out for 4-6 weeks with a foot injury. That's a pretty big loss for the Vikings.

 

Ugh that's huge. Bigger than the loss of a top CB on most defenses because we count on him so much in the run game.

 

Benny Sapp has played really well in the nickel this year at least.

[Keener98]

Talk about a crap choice of games. Packers vs Cleve on Fox, and Indy vs Stl on CBS. Yea Id much rather watch Pitt beat the Vikings damnit.

[Terp]

The stream of the Packers game is showing the Texans for some reason.

[bcl412]

Talk about a crap choice of games. Packers vs Cleve on Fox, and Indy vs Stl on CBS. Yea Id much rather watch Pitt beat the Vikings damnit.

 

I'll trade you Steelers/Vikes for the Packers game.

[Keener98]

Talk about a crap choice of games. Packers vs Cleve on Fox, and Indy vs Stl on CBS. Yea Id much rather watch Pitt beat the Vikings damnit.

 

I'll trade you Steelers/Vikes for the Packers game.

 

You figure out a way to make it happen and Ill gladly trade

[Terp]

Looks like Reggie Wayne is going to have a huge day.

[CubbieBum]

The stream of the Packers game is showing the 49ers for some reason.

 

Fixed.

[bcl412]

That's going to piss me off if the Packers lose to the Browns.

[Careless]

Steelers defense is dominating the Vikings. Peterson 3 rushes -1 yard, Farve sacked two or three times

And a 12 yard punt, nice

[Flames24Rulz]

Mike McCarthy can kill himself. 10 runs to 1 pass on that first drive. Then a stupid challenge by challenging the spot which almost never gets reversed.

 

I can't wait until this buffoon is gone.