TLR/Duncan accuse Arroyo of doctoring baseball

[Clem Fandango]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4522843

 

Aren't they notorious of accusing everyone they face for cheating when things aren't going well for them?

 

Reds pitcher Bronson Arroyo has denied accusations by the St. Louis Cardinals that he used pine tar to get better grips on pitches.

 

St. Louis manager Tony La Russa and pitching coach Dave Duncan both told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch the stain on the bill of Arroyo's cap was pine tar that helped him grip balls during a 6-1 victory Wednesday. Cardinals starter John Smoltz found balls slippery and walked five in four innings.

 

Arroyo said the stain on his cap is residue from mud used to rub baseballs at other ballparks.

 

"It's from playing in every other park where there's so much mud on the balls that that black stuff comes off on young fingers every time," Arroyo said. "I guess [Duncan] said I went to my hat time after time. Yeah, I do 8,000 other twitches. What you want me to do about it? That's how I pitch.

 

"I guarantee when I pitch against the Cardinals next year, I'll call over and tell Dave Duncan I'm wearing a brand new hat."

[Schwarber Fan]

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[SouthSideRyan]

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[Garwilly]

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[TruffleShuffle]

i accuse everyone pitching for the cardinals of being on steroids and doctoring the baseball.

[Jehrico]

Pot....tea kettle. Tea kettle...pot.

[MWV]

When Smoltz was getting outperformed by Arroyo, I assumed the excuse would be that he was "tipping his pitches". Duncan/LaRussa opted for the "after the fact accusation of cheating" instead, though. It was a 50/50 shot. Oh well.

[NonProfitCow]

The intrigue about “Ballgate” continued this morning when a Cincinnati Reds clubhouse attendant who is in charge of rubbing up the baseballs, stopped by Cardinals manager Tony La Russa’s office to tell his side of the story as to how the balls used in the game seemed so slick to Cardinals starter John Smoltz.

 

The attendant told La Russa, “I want you to know something. I had nothing to do with those balls last night. I’m the one who rubbed them up, but I had nothing to do with them. I don’t know what happened to them after they were over there but you look at them today and they’ll be the same.”

 

La Russa said, “You mean the same as what? yesterday?”

 

La Russa then showed the attendant two balls he had saved from the previous game and said, “Do they looked rubbed up to you?”

 

The attendant replied, “No. I rubbed up the balls but they weren’t like that. /That’s all I’m going to say. I don’t want to get myself in trouble or anything like that. I’m telling you I don’t cheat. I don’t lie. I had nothing to do with it.

 

“Somehow the mud got off them.”

 

 

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/625arroyo.jpg

 

 

 

Take from it what you will, but it looks like they may have been on to something.

[weis21]

Other than habitual gamblers, who the hell cares?

 

I mean, if he did it (and I'm not saying he did), he took a dumb risk in an otherwise meaningless ballgame. If he did this every game then surely he would have been identified as a cheater long ago.

 

Arroyo has sucked all year. He basically sucks at pitching. He pitched a (i.e. one) good game. Can't we just leave it at that?

 

The chances of him risking his reputation and future in baseball just to "stick it to the cardinals" for ONE game seems kinda flimsy. Just my opinion.

[Andy]

I'd think after they tried to go after Greg freaking Maddux in 2006 that any future TLR/Duncan complaint about cheating pitchers would officially be ignored by everyone.

[MWV]

I didn't think this deserved it's own thread (maybe we should just create a "Cards Accusations of Cheating by Opponents" thread for the 2010 season?) :

 

http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=710428

 

The manner in which the Reds are rubbing their balls is still not to the Cardinals' liking. Has any other team complained about this?

[RedFlash]

I didn't think this deserved it's own thread (maybe we should just create a "Cards Accusations of Cheating by Opponents" thread for the 2010 season?) :

 

http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=710428

 

The manner in which the Reds are rubbing their balls is still not to the Cardinals' liking. Has any other team complained about this?

 

 

"Rubbing their balls" and St. Louis in the same sentence? Write your own joke plz.

 

As for Carpenter's transformation into a douche....is now complete. It can't be a baseball season with somebody in the St. Louis org accusing another team of "cheating."

[Outshined_One]

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[ELCABALLO45]

God I can't stand anything to do with the Cards.

 

Last year they complained about us un tucking our jersey's without knowing the story about it, called the Brewers team dis resectful.

 

Complained when Braun watched his game winning home run in the 9th 2 years ago and still complain about it to this day. Yet they have Pujols who does it every freakin time he hits the ball.

 

3 years ago, Carlos Villanueva got Pujols to pop up and he pumped his fist after he caught the ball. Cards came back to win and Pujols in the papers said "He probably should just let the sleeping dragon sleep".

 

And now this crap, im sick of the Cards thinking they are the principle of everything that is right about baseball, and when someone doesn't "play by the rules" or does something "disrespectful" they bitch about it. Just shut up.

[TruffleShuffle]

their hitting coach basically turned into the incredible hulk by artificial means, their closer was suspended for using steroids and showed up in the mitchell report, and their former outfielder and third basemen were frequent hgh purchasers.

 

shut the [expletive] up you bunch of hypocrites.

[Guest]

But seriously though, the untuck 'em thing is pretty much the worst idea ever.

[Schwarber Fan]

But seriously though, the untuck 'em thing is pretty much the worst idea ever.

 

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[RedFlash]

But seriously though, the untuck 'em thing is pretty much the worst idea ever.

 

Prolly. And any Brewers fan who supports it shows blind homerism. With that said, I take the "un tuck 'ems" over the Cards sense of "baseball righteousness" any day of the week.

[jersey cubs fan]

But seriously though, the untuck 'em thing is pretty much the worst idea ever.

 

BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE WHOLE STORY FIRST!!!

[soapy]

But seriously though, the untuck 'em thing is pretty much the worst idea ever.

 

BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE WHOLE STORY FIRST!!!

 

Is it because Prince Fielder is fat? I think it's because fat fatty wants to show everyone his moo-moo.

[Proven Veteran]

I thought the bowling pin thing was awesome.

[Maclowery]

The bowling pin thing was amazing. I don't care about the shirt-untuck thing like some vocal Cards fans do, but it's pretty silly, anyway.

 

I don't think Carpenter should have relayed his issues to the media. I guess he was just grouchy; it took him 6 starts last year before he gave up his first dinger.

[Roast]

I thought the bowling pin thing was awesome.

I agree. That was freaking hilarious. The untuck'em thing is stupid, but it really doesn't bother me that much.

[DiamondMind]

Yea, my hatred for the Cardinals doesn't blind me from things. In that picture above, there's definitely (a lot of) some muddy substance UNDER the bill of his cap. Also, hasn't he been accused of this before by the Yankees?

[baseballfan50]

If Carpenter had done poorly, I could see the reasoning that he was a sore loser. But he pitched fine. Besides, Carpenter is not a Milton Bradley type of player. Carp rarely complains to the media about anything. So I would think he would know better than most of us if the baseballs there were too slick.

 

And the Brewers untucking their jerseys is annoying. Sorry.