Brenly rips Bradley

[laurens]

Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

It's not that it's worthless, it's that it's not of much use when trying to predict what a player is capable of doing in the future. A guy with 100 RBI this season with two guys with .400 OBPs hitting ahead of him may drive in 50 runs with two guys posting .250 OBPs in front of him next year.

 

Unlike rate stats (OBP, SLG, OPS, EqA, etc), RBI is very dependent on the rest of the lineup, not just the individual player. For that reason, you can't use RBI to reliably predict a player's future production.

 

 

I never said you could i'm just sick of some of the people on here defending Bradley and his OBP that say he's been productive; Bradley is being paid $10 million a year to drive in runs, not get on base, and he's been an epic failure in my opinion

 

That post is an epic failure.

 

 

So explain to me how a guy batting barely .200 with RISP is having a good season? he's had plenty of chances to get runs home and has not produced; i will give you that the OBP has been good but is it worth 10 million?

 

Right now Bradley has been worth 5.7 million dollars this season. That's not the 10 million he's being paid (which I never said he has been worth, by the way), but that is by no means an "epic failure".

[loukycub]

this team's major problem has been scoring runs. Bradley could have had an obp of 1.000, but if the players behind him not named lee or ramirez aren't driving in runs, his presence doesn't help the stat line any other than increase the number of men LOB in a game. his salary and position in the lineup implies he should be driving in runs. after all, he was the big left hand bat we needed to fix a lineup that led or was pretty close to the top in all of baseball in runs and team average.

[flyseye]

If a middle of the order hitter with RISP takes two pitches that should be quite hittable, but then eventually draws a walk, is that a good at bat ?

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh well, guess we just have to agree to disagree; i would tend to agree more if Lou would stick him at the 2hole and leave him there, or hell, why not lead him off? He's just not been a run producer so batting him anywhere below 2 just doesn't make sense

 

So the worth of Bradley's contract depends on where he's put in the lineup?

 

I don't think anyone here believes Bradley has been worth 10M this year, but to dump him because he wasn't worth his contract this year is reactionary and accomplishes nothing.

[haubrich91]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

[flyseye]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

 

 

Making contact is a real good way to drive in runs.

[SouthSideRyan]

I can't wait to pay Chone Figgins 12M a year because he'll put up worse #s than Bradley but he'll do it in the leadoff spot, so it'll be ok.

[haubrich91]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

 

 

Making contact is a real good way to drive in runs.

 

For some. Not for Milton Bradley.

[loukycub]

If a middle of the order hitter with RISP takes two pitches that should be quite hittable, but then eventually draws a walk, is that a good at bat ?

 

that depends on if there were better hitters than him behind him in the lineup. if yes, it's a good at bat. if no, it's a bad at bat.

 

knowing our hitters this year in the 6-8 slots the majority of the time it would be a bad at bat. last year it would have been a good at bat.

[flyseye]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

 

 

Making contact is a real good way to drive in runs.

 

For some. Not for Milton Bradley.

 

That makes no sense.

[loukycub]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

 

 

Making contact is a real good way to drive in runs.

 

For some. Not for Milton Bradley.

 

he likes to get his RBI by walks and HBP because they increase the OBP, which is one of two stats that imply the greatness of a baseball player, (RBI being the other one) without damaging his batting average which is clearly a worthless and meaningless stat.

[haubrich91]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

 

 

Making contact is a real good way to drive in runs.

 

For some. Not for Milton Bradley.

 

That makes no sense.

 

If you read my original post, it would make sense.

 

The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI in his career until last year.

[flyseye]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

 

 

Making contact is a real good way to drive in runs.

 

For some. Not for Milton Bradley.

 

That makes no sense.

 

If you read my original post, it would make sense.

 

The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI in his career until last year.

 

 

I did read your post, and it is wrong. You stated that Bradley is not a big run producer because he is a "contact" hitter, when in fact the only way to drive in runs outside of a bases loaded walk is to make contact. His career numbers are down across the board because he was injured so often, not because he is a contact hitter.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Steering the topic away from RBI vs. OBP, what happened with Bradley today? I was listening on the radio and it sounded like he hit a routine single and then promptly took himself out of the game for what was later reported as "knee inflammation". Knee inflammation isn't exactly a sudden injury, so what really prompted Bradley to leave the game?

[Guest]

Batting average with runners in scoring position is an almost entirely worthless stat in terms of predicting how the player will do in the next season. It is about as likely that Bradley will hit .400 next season as .200 with RISP.

 

I mean, we can debate how well Bradley performed this year 'til the cows come home but that doesn't really matter anymore. What matters is how we can expect him to produce next season. Given the only things that are relatively consistent from year to year for hitters, Bradley should be worth every penny of the $10M if he can stay on the field as much as he did this year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Im seriosuly at the point where I could go either way on Bradley. While I wouldnt recomend railroading him out of town just to get rid of him and eating salary, Id be all for a salary dump if there was a team willing to take on enough salary to make it worth while. Then just go ahead and either sign Adam Dunn or go with a FoxPauir platoon.

 

I wonder if the Marlins would be interested in a Bradley for Uggla swap, although the thought of an Uggla/Theriot middle infield makes me want to throw up in my mouth just a little.

[17 Seconds]

Dunn isn't a free agent this offseason, and a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon in right sounds terrible.

[Soonernation]

Dunn isn't a free agent this offseason, and a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon in right sounds terrible.

 

That would be one hell of an outfield combo, wouldn't it?

[Soonernation]

Oh well, guess we just have to agree to disagree; i would tend to agree more if Lou would stick him at the 2hole and leave him there, or hell, why not lead him off? He's just not been a run producer so batting him anywhere below 2 just doesn't make sense

 

So the worth of Bradley's contract depends on where he's put in the lineup?

 

I don't think anyone here believes Bradley has been worth 10M this year, but to dump him because he wasn't worth his contract this year is reactionary and accomplishes nothing.

 

 

His attitude should be enough to dump him, let alone the contract

[Soonernation]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

 

I don't think anyone expected that, but he's had plenty of chances to drive in runs this season and has failed miserably; i would have considered 75-80 RBI's a realistic number for him this season and would have been happy with that.

[SouthSideRyan]

He pissed off the fans Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[dew1679666265]

He was brought to drive in runs? The guy has never gotten more than 67 RBI until last year in his career. He's obviously a contact hitter, and to expect him to deliver the way Ramirez or Lee do is flat out ridiculous.

 

I don't think anyone expected that, but he's had plenty of chances to drive in runs this season and has failed miserably; i would have considered 75-80 RBI's a realistic number for him this season and would have been happy with that.

 

Baseball players are paid to be productive. There are numerous ways a player can be productive - driving in runs, getting on base, not making outs, playing good defense, etc. Bradley is one of the best players in baseball at getting on base and not making outs. He also plays adequate defense.

 

Thus, he has been productive. Would it be nice if he were more productive? Of course. But driving in runs is not the only way for him or any player to be productive. Any player who gets on base 40% of the time and hits for any level of power is a very valuable player and absolutely is productive.

 

We shouldn't dump Bradley for nothing, we should take his .400 OBP and find ways to drive him in with the hitters around him.

[laurens]

He pissed off the fans Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

Not even that, he pissed off some sports writers who then got some of the fans to hate him. I, for one, love Bradley and hope he stays.

[Larry Horse]

Not even that, he pissed off some sports writers who then got some of the fans to hate him. I, for one, love Bradley and hope he stays.

 

Aaahhh....there's that evil media.....

 

Are there any Cub fans out there that think that maybe Bradley is just an ass, which would explain why he's bounced around so many teams?

 

Or is there some sort of evil conspiracy to make him look like the bad guy?

[Little Slide Rooter]

He pissed off the fans Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

Not even that, he pissed off some sports writers who then got some of the fans to hate him. I, for one, love Bradley and hope he stays.

 

If he wants to run around Wrigleyville yelling kill whitey all while carrying the severed heads of Olney and Sullivan, I could care less as long as hes producing. His job isnt to be friends with the fans and media. Its to play basball and produce runs.