Brenly rips Bradley

[CUBZ99]

Baseball involves a series of individual events. He's not working on projects with his teammates. He's not taking part in conference calls. He's going up and swinging a bat at pitches that come across the plate. What that has to do with the names somebody else called him in the dugout is beyond me.

 

Maybe on your Xbox 360 or PS3, there is no human interaction between the same players on the same team. In the real world, these players spend a lot of time together over approximately half of the year. They spend time in cramped dugouts, on team flights, in hotels, etc. You want to pretend that no outside factors can effect a baseball players ability to perform at maximum level, I don't buy it.

[CUBZ99]

Comparing the "chemistry" this year to last year is ludicrous. Winning begets good feelings which begets good chemistry. Losing begets bad feelings which begets bad chemistry.

 

Shall we discuss physics? That science is much, much more applicable to an individual sport such as baseball.

 

This is an extremely naive viewpoint. Sure chemistry isn't the only factor, or likely even the main factor, for the club's problems, but to completely discount work environment and/or work politics is foolish. As a business owner, it sure helps productivity to have a staff that gets along. I think it is funny that most people think that just because a guy is a baseball player, that he is immune to the same issues that most everyone else deals with on a daily basis.

 

Why do you think your business is anything like a major league baseball team?

 

Because it involves people. Why do you assume it isn't? If anything the stress associated with playing professional baseball including, regular travel and nearly 6 months of working everyday with very few off days would make interpersonal relationship even more important than the average job.

 

what makes anybody thing that happy ballplayers are more productive? Some of the best players we've ever seen in baseball are miserable jerks.

 

Why are you arguing it is all or nothing? Nobody said that happy baseball players are guaranteed to be more productive. You could have a team filled with Miles, Neifi, Fuld, Scales type players and they could have the best time in the world and they would still be a bad team.

[SouthSideRyan]

Baseball involves a series of individual events. He's not working on projects with his teammates. He's not taking part in conference calls. He's going up and swinging a bat at pitches that come across the plate. What that has to do with the names somebody else called him in the dugout is beyond me.

 

Maybe on your Xbox 360 or PS3, there is no human interaction between the same players on the same team. In the real world, these players spend a lot of time together over approximately half of the year. They spend time in cramped dugouts, on team flights, in hotels, etc. You want to pretend that no outside factors can effect a baseball players ability to perform at maximum level, I don't buy it.

 

You want to pretend that how a player feels about one of his teammates somehow affects how he performs in a series of situations not involving said teammate. I don't buy that.

 

Nevermind the fact that nobody on the Cubs has even hinted at not liking Bradley.

[CUBZ99]

Baseball involves a series of individual events. He's not working on projects with his teammates. He's not taking part in conference calls. He's going up and swinging a bat at pitches that come across the plate. What that has to do with the names somebody else called him in the dugout is beyond me.

 

Maybe on your Xbox 360 or PS3, there is no human interaction between the same players on the same team. In the real world, these players spend a lot of time together over approximately half of the year. They spend time in cramped dugouts, on team flights, in hotels, etc. You want to pretend that no outside factors can effect a baseball players ability to perform at maximum level, I don't buy it.

 

You want to pretend that how a player feels about one of his teammates somehow affects how he performs in a series of situations not involving said teammate. I don't buy that.

 

Nevermind the fact that nobody on the Cubs has even hinted at not liking Bradley.

 

I think you need to read the posts again. I never said that how a player feels about one player affects how he performs and I never singled out Bradley as the only problem with Cubs chemistry. I said that you would be naive to believe that the overall clubhouse chemistry doesn't have some effect (even if it is small) on players. Just because there is no stat that can measure it doesn't mean that it isn't a factor.

[SouthSideRyan]

Baseball involves a series of individual events. He's not working on projects with his teammates. He's not taking part in conference calls. He's going up and swinging a bat at pitches that come across the plate. What that has to do with the names somebody else called him in the dugout is beyond me.

 

Maybe on your Xbox 360 or PS3, there is no human interaction between the same players on the same team. In the real world, these players spend a lot of time together over approximately half of the year. They spend time in cramped dugouts, on team flights, in hotels, etc. You want to pretend that no outside factors can effect a baseball players ability to perform at maximum level, I don't buy it.

 

You want to pretend that how a player feels about one of his teammates somehow affects how he performs in a series of situations not involving said teammate. I don't buy that.

 

Nevermind the fact that nobody on the Cubs has even hinted at not liking Bradley.

 

I think you need to read the posts again. I never said that how a player feels about one player affects how he performs and I never singled out Bradley as the only problem with Cubs chemistry. I said that you would be naive to believe that the overall clubhouse chemistry doesn't have some effect (even if it is small) on players. Just because there is no stat that can measure it doesn't mean that it isn't a factor.

 

What is your reasoning for thinking this team has poor chemistry?

 

Can you give any examples of teams who struggled due to poor chemistry?

[A-Cal]

it seems like every "discussion" i have read recently has a couple of folks talking over each other

[Rob]

 

what makes anybody thing that happy ballplayers are more productive? Some of the best players we've ever seen in baseball are miserable jerks.

 

Why are you arguing it is all or nothing? Nobody said that happy baseball players are guaranteed to be more productive. You could have a team filled with Miles, Neifi, Fuld, Scales type players and they could have the best time in the world and they would still be a bad team.

 

Where on earth did you get that I was arguing it was all or nothing? My point was simple... some players react differently to different stimuli. A happy atmosphere and "good chemistry" is not necessarily the best way to get full production out of our team. Some of our players may perform worse under those circumstances.

[Soonernation]

Speaking of Bradley, when was the last time he drove in a run? Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

[inari]

Speaking of Bradley, when was the last time he drove in a run? Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

People that understand how baseball works, yeah.

[Flames24Rulz]

Speaking of Bradley, when was the last time he drove in a run? Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

Who cares?

[dew1679666265]

Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

It's not that it's worthless, it's that it's not of much use when trying to predict what a player is capable of doing in the future. A guy with 100 RBI this season with two guys with .400 OBPs hitting ahead of him may drive in 50 runs with two guys posting .250 OBPs in front of him next year.

 

Unlike rate stats (OBP, SLG, OPS, EqA, etc), RBI is very dependent on the rest of the lineup, not just the individual player. For that reason, you can't use RBI to reliably predict a player's future production.

[rynefan]

I don't like Bradley. I've never liked Bradley. I probably never will like Bradley. I was not happy when I heard the Cubs got him, but I hoped for the best, and this is definitely not what I hoped for, what we got out of him this season. Is he the worst player on the team? No. But his production this year isn't what it should have been, and he was definitely a key player in the Cubs craptastic season both in his attitude and on-field play.

 

If he doesn't want to play in Chicago, then he needs to be let go for the team's sake and his own.

[illiniguy]

I don't like Bradley. I've never liked Bradley. I probably never will like Bradley. I was not happy when I heard the Cubs got him, but I hoped for the best, and this is definitely not what I hoped for, what we got out of him this season. Is he the worst player on the team? No. But his production this year isn't what it should have been, and he was definitely a key player in the Cubs craptastic season both in his attitude and on-field play.

 

If he doesn't want to play in Chicago, then he needs to be let go for the team's sake and his own.

Once we get rid of Z and Milton, then let Harden walk without offering arbitration, we are looking at a 74 win season. Or worse. Yeah, let's not do that stuff.

[Soonernation]

Speaking of Bradley, when was the last time he drove in a run? Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

People that understand how baseball works, yeah.

 

I'm sorry i don't know as much about baseball as you do

Edited September 17, 2009 by Soonernation

[TruffleShuffle]

i'd much rather that aaron miles be the scapegoat for this season since he's terrible and removing him will actually improve the team.

[Soonernation]

Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

It's not that it's worthless, it's that it's not of much use when trying to predict what a player is capable of doing in the future. A guy with 100 RBI this season with two guys with .400 OBPs hitting ahead of him may drive in 50 runs with two guys posting .250 OBPs in front of him next year.

 

Unlike rate stats (OBP, SLG, OPS, EqA, etc), RBI is very dependent on the rest of the lineup, not just the individual player. For that reason, you can't use RBI to reliably predict a player's future production.

 

 

I never said you could i'm just sick of some of the people on here defending Bradley and his OBP that say he's been productive; Bradley is being paid $10 million a year to drive in runs, not get on base, and he's been an epic failure in my opinion

[Soonernation]

i'd much rather that aaron miles be the scapegoat for this season since he's terrible and removing him will actually improve the team.

Removing Bradley will improve the team also

[laurens]

i'd much rather that aaron miles be the scapegoat for this season since he's terrible and removing him will actually improve the team.

Removing Bradley will improve the team also

 

no. Who are you gonna put in RF?

[illiniguy]

i'd much rather that aaron miles be the scapegoat for this season since he's terrible and removing him will actually improve the team.

Removing Bradley will improve the team also

Yep, nothing like getting rid of the guy who is the best at not making outs. That will help a ton. :banghead: :banghead:

[laurens]

Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

It's not that it's worthless, it's that it's not of much use when trying to predict what a player is capable of doing in the future. A guy with 100 RBI this season with two guys with .400 OBPs hitting ahead of him may drive in 50 runs with two guys posting .250 OBPs in front of him next year.

 

Unlike rate stats (OBP, SLG, OPS, EqA, etc), RBI is very dependent on the rest of the lineup, not just the individual player. For that reason, you can't use RBI to reliably predict a player's future production.

 

 

I never said you could i'm just sick of some of the people on here defending Bradley and his OBP that say he's been productive; Bradley is being paid $10 million a year to drive in runs, not get on base, and he's been an epic failure in my opinion

 

That post is an epic failure.

[Soonernation]

Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

It's not that it's worthless, it's that it's not of much use when trying to predict what a player is capable of doing in the future. A guy with 100 RBI this season with two guys with .400 OBPs hitting ahead of him may drive in 50 runs with two guys posting .250 OBPs in front of him next year.

 

Unlike rate stats (OBP, SLG, OPS, EqA, etc), RBI is very dependent on the rest of the lineup, not just the individual player. For that reason, you can't use RBI to reliably predict a player's future production.

 

 

I never said you could i'm just sick of some of the people on here defending Bradley and his OBP that say he's been productive; Bradley is being paid $10 million a year to drive in runs, not get on base, and he's been an epic failure in my opinion

 

That post is an epic failure.

 

 

So explain to me how a guy batting barely .200 with RISP is having a good season? he's had plenty of chances to get runs home and has not produced; i will give you that the OBP has been good but is it worth 10 million?

[illiniguy]

Oh yeah, i forgot, RBI are a worthless stat to some people

 

It's not that it's worthless, it's that it's not of much use when trying to predict what a player is capable of doing in the future. A guy with 100 RBI this season with two guys with .400 OBPs hitting ahead of him may drive in 50 runs with two guys posting .250 OBPs in front of him next year.

 

Unlike rate stats (OBP, SLG, OPS, EqA, etc), RBI is very dependent on the rest of the lineup, not just the individual player. For that reason, you can't use RBI to reliably predict a player's future production.

 

 

I never said you could i'm just sick of some of the people on here defending Bradley and his OBP that say he's been productive; Bradley is being paid $10 million a year to drive in runs, not get on base, and he's been an epic failure in my opinion

 

That post is an epic failure.

 

 

So explain to me how a guy batting barely .200 with RISP is having a good season? he's had plenty of chances to get runs home and has not produced; i will give you that the OBP has been good but is it worth 10 million?

Since the main focus in baseball is not making an out, yes I think his OBP is pretty valuable.

[Soonernation]

i'd much rather that aaron miles be the scapegoat for this season since he's terrible and removing him will actually improve the team.

Removing Bradley will improve the team also

Yep, nothing like getting rid of the guy who is the best at not making outs. That will help a ton. :banghead: :banghead:

 

 

Any way you cut it, Bradley is not worth 10 million a year; i would like him alot more at half that salary; of course, he's not the only one not worth his contract on this team

[Soonernation]

Oh well, guess we just have to agree to disagree; i would tend to agree more if Lou would stick him at the 2hole and leave him there, or hell, why not lead him off? He's just not been a run producer so batting him anywhere below 2 just doesn't make sense

[inari]

Agreeing to disagree is something cool when both people have substance to their argument. This one is semantics versus evidence.