What kind of numbers did you honestly expect from Bradley?

[rocket]

i like the rbi. i know it doesn't have much predictive value, but i do think it's interesting to know who has driven in the most runs.

[chopsx9]

All of that's only relevant if you feel that a guy performs differently with RISP than he does without.

 

Just watching BJs and Red Sox game and some RISP avgs came up:

 

Bay's avg w/ risp is about 100 points higher than his overall avg.

(so the differential to no risp would be even higher)

 

JD Drew's is 80 points lower; Vwells is a lot lower as well - bunch of others I can't recall now - easy enough to look up somewhere I suppose.

[SouthSideRyan]

All of that's only relevant if you feel that a guy performs differently with RISP than he does without.

 

Just watching BJs and Red Sox game and some RISP avgs came up:

 

Bay's avg w/ risp is about 100 points higher than his overall avg.

(so the differential to no risp would be even higher)

 

JD Drew's is 80 points lower; Vwells is a lot lower as well - bunch of others I can't recall now - easy enough to look up somewhere I suppose.

 

Bay's 7 points higher in his career.

 

Drew's 4 points lower in his career.

 

Wells's 7 points lower in his career.

 

The difference is negligible.

[wade]

All of that's only relevant if you feel that a guy performs differently with RISP than he does without.

 

Just watching BJs and Red Sox game and some RISP avgs came up:

 

Bay's avg w/ risp is about 100 points higher than his overall avg.

(so the differential to no risp would be even higher)

 

JD Drew's is 80 points lower; Vwells is a lot lower as well - bunch of others I can't recall now - easy enough to look up somewhere I suppose.

 

I wonder what the difference is in Bay's avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

 

EDIT- SSR beats me to the punch

[Garwilly]

the word filter should never allow "rbi" to appear on this website again.

 

I've never understood this. There needs to be some context given but dismissing is ridiculous.

If a player has come up with 400 players in scoring position and drives in 40. That's terrible.

 

If he has come up with 100 in scoring position and driven in 40 that's pretty good.

 

If you want to say that Bradley's rbi total isn't disapointing then you need to show me that he has had significantly fewer chances to drive in runs than other players. Do that and I'll agree it's not disapointing - (I have no idea what the numbers are)

 

We all know rbi's are heavily influenced by the team - but if you want to outright dismiss some players total of 100 - that's fine if you can demonstrate that he's had a disproportionate number of chances. If that's the case I'll agree 110%.

 

I've never understood why there isn't a "percentage of runners driven in" stat of some kind.

 

A few days old, but thanks to Fred.

 

 

Percentage of baserunners driven in........

 

04/06 - 08/23      BDI  LOB   RBI%
D Lee               59  185  0.242
Ramirez             28   91  0.235
Fox                 24   79  0.233
Fukudome            36  127  0.221
Theriot             40  164  0.196
Soriano             33  168  0.164
Baker                9   46  0.164
Johnson             16   83  0.162
Bradley             23  127  0.153
Fontenot            27  158  0.146
Hoffpauir           17  101  0.144
Blanco               8   50  0.138
Soto                20  125  0.138
Scales               4   29  0.121
K. Hill             14  103  0.120
Miles                5   66  0.070
Freel                1   17  0.056
Gathright            0    6  0.000
Fuld                 0   23  0.000

CUBS               381 1894  0.167

[Roast]

Fuld is such a sparkplug.

[TruffleShuffle]

Fuld is such a sparkplug.

 

sparkplugs don't drive in runs.

[Roast]

Fuld is such a sparkplug.

 

sparkplugs don't drive in runs.

clearly.

[chopsx9]

All of that's only relevant if you feel that a guy performs differently with RISP than he does without.

 

Just watching BJs and Red Sox game and some RISP avgs came up:

 

Bay's avg w/ risp is about 100 points higher than his overall avg.

(so the differential to no risp would be even higher)

 

JD Drew's is 80 points lower; Vwells is a lot lower as well - bunch of others I can't recall now - easy enough to look up somewhere I suppose.

 

I wonder what the difference is in Bay's avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

 

EDIT- SSR beats me to the punch

 

 

What does his career totals have to do with an examination of a particular season?

 

The issue was ignoring someone's rbi total simply because they are a "team" stat was wrong. On the surface Bradleys 30 rbi would seem to be a poor total - however it is feasable that he has had relatively few oportunities so in fact his rbi total could actually be impressive (again I haven't looked at his particular totals) The flip side would be a poor avg w/ risp but with lots of opportunities leading to a misleadingly high rbi total. In evaluating a particular season I could care less what his career totals are,

 

RBI totals aren't meaningless they just need closer examination.

 

Staying with Red Sox

 

I wonder what the difference is in Youkilis' avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

...its 89 points

 

 

I wonder what the difference is in Ortizs' avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

 

its 28 points...not 100 but significant none the less

 

see... I can do that too

[Grit amp Heart]

David Ortiz changes his approach with runners on base. There's a reason he has a higher batting average with runners on base and it's not that he's "clutch" or a "run producer".

[chopsx9]

the word filter should never allow "rbi" to appear on this website again.

 

I've never understood this. There needs to be some context given but dismissing is ridiculous.

If a player has come up with 400 players in scoring position and drives in 40. That's terrible.

 

If he has come up with 100 in scoring position and driven in 40 that's pretty good.

 

If you want to say that Bradley's rbi total isn't disapointing then you need to show me that he has had significantly fewer chances to drive in runs than other players. Do that and I'll agree it's not disapointing - (I have no idea what the numbers are)

 

We all know rbi's are heavily influenced by the team - but if you want to outright dismiss some players total of 100 - that's fine if you can demonstrate that he's had a disproportionate number of chances. If that's the case I'll agree 110%.

 

I've never understood why there isn't a "percentage of runners driven in" stat of some kind.

 

A few days old, but thanks to Fred.

 

 

Percentage of baserunners driven in........

 

04/06 - 08/23      BDI  LOB   RBI%
D Lee               59  185  0.242
Ramirez             28   91  0.235
Fox                 24   79  0.233
Fukudome            36  127  0.221
Theriot             40  164  0.196
Soriano             33  168  0.164
Baker                9   46  0.164
Johnson             16   83  0.162
Bradley             23  127  0.153
Fontenot            27  158  0.146
Hoffpauir           17  101  0.144
Blanco               8   50  0.138
Soto                20  125  0.138
Scales               4   29  0.121
K. Hill             14  103  0.120
Miles                5   66  0.070
Freel                1   17  0.056
Gathright            0    6  0.000
Fuld                 0   23  0.000

CUBS               381 1894  0.167

 

Thanks. I know they have them I guess what I really meant is why they weren't quoted more often.

[Halman]

This is what I know. Strictly by RBIs Vernon Wells and his laughably bad contract is better than Fukudome and his laughably bad contract.

[chopsx9]

This is what I know. Strictly by RBIs Vernon Wells and his laughably bad contract is better than Fukudome and his laughably bad contract.

 

That's why you need to look at the numbers more closely. Wells has had 43% more at bats with RISP. Which isn't surprising taking their leagues and place in the batting order. Although I'm guessing that wasn't your point.

[chopsx9]

David Ortiz changes his approach with runners on base. There's a reason he has a higher batting average with runners on base and it's not that he's "clutch" or a "run producer".

 

I heard its because he puts a chicken foot in his jock when there are runners on.

 

Not gonna verify though.

[SouthSideRyan]

You're ignoring statistical variation. You're judging a player on a small fraction of one season's ABs, and saying he's no good because of that. The point of referencing career totals is to show that basing your judgment of Bradley off of his BA with RSIP over a scattered 74 ABs means virtually nothing.

[wade]

All of that's only relevant if you feel that a guy performs differently with RISP than he does without.

 

Just watching BJs and Red Sox game and some RISP avgs came up:

 

Bay's avg w/ risp is about 100 points higher than his overall avg.

(so the differential to no risp would be even higher)

 

JD Drew's is 80 points lower; Vwells is a lot lower as well - bunch of others I can't recall now - easy enough to look up somewhere I suppose.

 

I wonder what the difference is in Bay's avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

 

EDIT- SSR beats me to the punch

 

 

What does his career totals have to do with an examination of a particular season?

 

The issue was ignoring someone's rbi total simply because they are a "team" stat was wrong. On the surface Bradleys 30 rbi would seem to be a poor total - however it is feasable that he has had relatively few oportunities so in fact his rbi total could actually be impressive (again I haven't looked at his particular totals) The flip side would be a poor avg w/ risp but with lots of opportunities leading to a misleadingly high rbi total. In evaluating a particular season I could care less what his career totals are,

 

RBI totals aren't meaningless they just need closer examination.

 

Staying with Red Sox

 

I wonder what the difference is in Youkilis' avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

...its 89 points

 

 

I wonder what the difference is in Ortizs' avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

 

its 28 points...not 100 but significant none the less

 

see... I can do that too

 

My point is that Bay's numbers look good because it's a small sample size. He's likely to perform closer to his career levels for situational stats. And, I think your numbers are off, but I may be missing something.

[Derwood]

Yesterday Bradley was 3 for 3 with a walk and 2 runs scored.

 

But no RBI. OH NOES, RUN PRODUCER!!!!

[cubstitlelives]

Yesterday Bradley was 3 for 3 with a walk and 2 runs scored.

 

But no RBI. OH NOES, RUN PRODUCER!!!!

 

Sign him to an extension!!!!

[Derwood]

Yesterday Bradley was 3 for 3 with a walk and 2 runs scored.

 

But no RBI. OH NOES, RUN PRODUCER!!!!

 

Sign him to an extension!!!!

 

I know your blind hatred of the man won't let you see this, but he's pretty much the ideal #2 guy in this lineup.

[loukycub]

i expected more power numbers from him because he is in a power offensive position and he signed a $10 million contract, like at this point in the year 20 hr, 80 rbi.

 

i know it may be a bad thing to do, but i'm basing those numbers only on the size of his contract. had bradley signed a deal for half the money, my expectations would not be as high, say right around what he is doing right now. he was the big offseason aquisition we made, and i expect him to produce at least a high rbi number. and that's not just piling on bradley, it's what i expect from anyone who signs the big contract. both bradley and soriano have been big busts in this case, but at least soriano has owned it this season, something milton has not.

 

in my opinion, bradley is being highly overpaid to be a 2 hitter where he hits right handed better than he does left handed and he was supposed to be that left hand big bat we desperately needed.

[Keener98]

How has Soriano "owned it" to having a terrible season and Bradley has not?

 

And the whole "desperatley need to get left handed" was an idiotic fallacy from the start.

[Keener98]

Moises Alou season prior to joining Cubs .331 .396 .554 .950

Moises Alou 1st season with Cubs .275 .337 .419 .756

Moises Alou next 2 seasons with Cubs .280 .357 .462 .819 and .293 .361 .557 .918

 

Kosuke Fukudome 1st season with Cubs .257 .359 .379 .738

Kosuke Fukudome 2nd season with Cubs so far .274 .386 .462 .848

 

For all of you people wanting to dump Bradley, just look at these 2 guys here. Alou was coming off a great 2-3 seasons prior to him joining the Cubs, and he then stunk it up in his 1st season as a Cub. He then went on to put up pretty good numbers the rest of his time on the Cubs. Fuku had a great reputation in Japan, and then came here and stunk it up in his 1st season as a Cub. He is right now a top 3 CF'er in baseball, and is even putting up numbers respectable enough for a RF. Bradley was coming off a great year prior to joining the Cubs and then stunk it up for 3 months, but has now turned it around and is putting up really good numbers.

 

Im sure there were alot of people wanting to dump Alou after his 1st season with the Cubs, and I know there was numerous people wanting to dump Fuku. These guys are pro's and they dont suddenly forget how to hit.

 

Bruce Levine posted a blog about Bradley and had comments from Milton about how much of a change it is to play day games instead of night games, and its taken him awhile to get used to it. Who knows how much that played apart of Miltons horrible beginning, but he wouldnt be the 1st player to comment about how much of a change it is. Id be shocked if Bradley doesnt follow in the path of Alou and Fuku, and put up really good numbers in his 2nd and 3rd seasons as a Cub. Be careful what you wish for, because if we dump Bradley like we dumped Sammy, we may end up with Jeromy Burnitz #2. Think about it.

[loukycub]

How has Soriano "owned it" to having a terrible season and Bradley has not?

 

And the whole "desperatley need to get left handed" was an idiotic fallacy from the start.

 

1. soriano has stated that he knows he's not playing well and hasn't gone blaming the fans for booing him for any other reason than he wasn't playing well. alfonso gets it. bradley on the other hand seems to want to be as antagonistic to the media as he can get. if he didn't want all this media attention, he never should have signed with a team in the third largest media market in the country on a team that is either the first, second, or third most popular in the country that is broadcast nationally almost every day to that high a deal. sure at the beginning he has said that he never starts out that slowly, but lately going around saying that waiters were talking bad about him behind his back in restaurants or that he hopes the game only goes 9 to be out there the least amount of time because of the fans is getting dangerously close to todd hundley territory imo. the difference being at least milton is hitting, which is why i don't think the fans are all over him. you were the $10 million man in the offseason, and guess what, the media is going to come to you more often than not. you can't just show up, do your job, and go home, not in that town on that team. if he didn't expect that kind of attention, he's the idiot for not doing his research, or he should have signed a deal for less. i can guarantee that if he hit more home runs or had knocked in more runs (like twice as many in both categories) he wouldn't be getting all that negative attention.

 

like i said, it may not be fair, but my disapointment is based on the contract he signed against what he has done this year. and i'm not one of those fans blaming him on this horrible season, it's been a collective FAIL all around except from the starters. we are leading the majors in quality starts this year but are hanging around .500. starting pitching has not been the problem, but the offense and pen have been atrocious. if both were better and we were 10 games up i'd still be on his case for being massively overpaid for what he is doing on the field.

 

2. i know, that's why i was against the offseason moves. good pitching beats good hitting and trying to get more left handed was a horrible cya excuse.

[laurens]

WTF? Bradley has always said he knows he isn't playing well and that he knows that's on him. The boos just piss him off.

[wade]

I wonder what the difference is in Youkilis' avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

...its 89 points

 

 

I wonder what the difference is in Ortizs' avg w/ RISP for his career...

 

hint - (it's not 100 points)

 

 

its 28 points...not 100 but significant none the less

 

see... I can do that too

 

I still can't find these numbers. Youk's career difference in batting average vs. RISP batting average appears to be 50 points.

 

(I will say that I'm surprised at this, as most batters won't normally be far off their normal batting average when looking at their RISP batting average (for your career, that is)- I wonder if Youk will regress in the coming seasons)