Seriously

[carolinacubbie]

I read on here everyday about how terrible we are. And how next year we need to make so many changes, and we need to fire Lou, blah, blah, blah. First off, do people just forget that we actually won our division the past 2 seasons and are 2nd this year? I mean when do we ever do this? Why the hell would we fire Lou? I know we've struggled at times this year, and some players have struggled, but we are still 5 games over .500. You don't have to make significant moves in every off season. Look at St.Louis this year, they did nothing in the off-season, but they came back and got healthy. And made a couple nice trades during the year. The team we have can win.

 

The main issue with this team is health. For us to be 5 games over and we have had Harden on the DL twice, Z on the DL twice, Demp on the DL, and Lilly on the DL, that is amazing. Not to mention that Soto missed a month, and Ramirez has barely played at all this season. The team we have is fine. I think we could make some improvements to the bullpen for next year, but outside of that we are okay. Firing Lou would be the worst idea possible IMO. It just bugs me to read people say that.

[Roast]

Serously.

[Sammy Sofa]

Siriusly.

[Soul]

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[mhuber92211]

naturally, he makes some valid points and the only responses are making fun of his spelling. great conversation fellas

[BeerHere]

naturally, he makes some valid points and the only responses are making fun of his spelling. great conversation fellas

+1

[17 Seconds]

Why the hell would we fire Lou?

 

Because he's a poor manager?

 

"What are you talking about?!? He won us back to back division titles and won 97 games last season!"

 

Seriously, Lou has gotten progressively worse since he's gotten here, and has been flat out BRUTAL this season.

 

I'm not even saying he should or will be fired, but come on. There's a very good reason a lot of people want him gone. Stop looking at win/loss records to determine how good a manager is. Look at the moves he makes and what he does. If you do that, it's easy to see that he's been pretty awful.

Edited August 16, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[imb]

naturally, he makes some valid points and the only responses are making fun of his spelling. great conversation fellas

 

serously, it was a great post

[Sammy Sofa]

The greatest.

[TruffleShuffle]

Look at St.Louis this year, they did nothing in the off-season, but they came back and got healthy. And made a couple nice trades during the year. The team we have can win.

 

this is true, but generally if your team isn't good enough to win one year, you're not going to win the next year by changing nothing. plus look at the cards' roster - most of their important pieces are 31 or younger. they had a team that one could reasonably expect to improve from one year to the next, plus they also had a better minor league system that they used to contribute to bullpen depth, a starter CF (rasmus) and then adding good players in holliday and derosa. the cubs have an inferior system now to what the cards had last year, and most of the key components of the cubs are only going to get worse, and continue to have injury problems, from here.

[E.J.]

We're 3rd in the majors in payroll at $135 million this year. The Cardinals are at $88 million. Yeah, it's cool that we're in 2nd place in the division.

[YearofDaCubs]

I doubt we win the division. The Cardinals have looked really good. We're probably the 4th or 5th best team in the NL right now. Kind of sad when you consider payrolls.

[Gmoney08]

We're 3rd in the majors in payroll at $135 million this year. The Cardinals are at $88 million. Yeah, it's cool that we're in 2nd place in the division.

 

Granted the year hasnt made me happy but I dont care what we spent on the team this year. I doubt many teams would have performed as good or better than the Cubs this year with the injuries we have had.

 

We have been missing our best hitter Aramis Ramirez for a chunk of the season. Not to mention fellow recent All Star position players like Soto, Bradley, and even Lee/Soriano have not been truely healthy. Plus our starting rotation has been great despite Zambrano, Lilly, Dempster all being injured this year (also all recent All Stars).

 

Then theres been Guzman who missed sometime, Reed Johnson and Im sure a few more people.

 

Yet, we are still in 2nd place and right in the thick of things.

 

I think the worse thing for this team would be to rebuild right now. I would go for it with this core of players for at least a year or 2 more again.

 

It took the Red Sox a few times before the Pedro, Manny core finally brought home the title. They missed the playoffs too a couple years IIRC.

[Shilzzz]

 

"What are you talking about?!? He won us back to back division titles and won 97 games last season!"

 

Seriously, Lou has gotten progressively worse since he's gotten here, and has been flat out BRUTAL this season.

 

 

If the 2008 was a better team than 2007, how, exactly, has it gotten "progressively worse"?

[17 Seconds]

 

"What are you talking about?!? He won us back to back division titles and won 97 games last season!"

 

Seriously, Lou has gotten progressively worse since he's gotten here, and has been flat out BRUTAL this season.

 

 

If the 2008 was a better team than 2007, how, exactly, has it gotten "progressively worse"?

 

What? I said LOU has gotten progressively worse, not the team.

[Flames24Rulz]

 

"What are you talking about?!? He won us back to back division titles and won 97 games last season!"

 

Seriously, Lou has gotten progressively worse since he's gotten here, and has been flat out BRUTAL this season.

 

 

If the 2008 was a better team than 2007, how, exactly, has it gotten "progressively worse"?

 

What? I said LOU has gotten progressively worse, not the team.

 

You do realize a manager doesn't really make that much of a difference, right?

[17 Seconds]

 

"What are you talking about?!? He won us back to back division titles and won 97 games last season!"

 

Seriously, Lou has gotten progressively worse since he's gotten here, and has been flat out BRUTAL this season.

 

 

If the 2008 was a better team than 2007, how, exactly, has it gotten "progressively worse"?

 

What? I said LOU has gotten progressively worse, not the team.

 

You do realize a manager doesn't really make that much of a difference, right?

 

Yes, and I pretty much already said that. I don't really know what that has to do with anything though. All I said was that I can see why some people want Lou gone.

[DiamondMind]

You make some good excuses, but they're just that, excuses. This team dominates its' division in payroll. There's no excuse. That doesn't mean I want to can Piniella, but don't make excuses for them. And don't make excuses for Hendry. Edited August 16, 2009 by DiamondMind

[DiamondMind]

naturally, he makes some valid points and the only responses are making fun of his spelling. great conversation fellas

 

+1

[laurens]

I think the worse thing for this team would be to rebuild right now. I would go for it with this core of players for at least a year or 2 more again.

 

We'll have no choice, but in two years most of the current roster will be well above 30.

[Sammy Sofa]

naturally, he makes some valid points and the only responses are making fun of his spelling. great conversation fellas

 

+1

 

Yeah, it's not like any of this has been said ad nauseum in a ton of other threads.

 

It's more a response to the "OK, *I* know what the deal is, so here's THE thread to settle it all....even though I'm just repeating things that have been said again and again and again already."

[chuckywang]

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[jersey cubs fan]

naturally, he makes some valid points and the only responses are making fun of his spelling. great conversation fellas

 

+1

 

Actually it's a bunch of BS. We're supposed to be happy with this team because they won the division 2 years in a row and are 2nd now? They've had one really good year in the Hendry era. One 90+ win season. They won the division with 85 wins the year before, a win by default more than accomplishment. They should be dominating this division every year with their incredible financial advantage over the competition, but their inefficient use of those resources is a waste. You have a manager whining about stupid stuff like needing left handers and a GM who is more than happy to waste money providing those unnecessarily specific demands.

 

And the health excuse is a bunch of garbage. Rich Harden is going to be on the DL. We knew that before he was acquired, they acknowledge it when he was acquired. The fact that they decided to stop with the preventive measures of extra rest for him this year doesn't all of a sudden make it accepable to say, "oh geez this season would be great if Harden didn't surprise us and go on the DL." And Zambrano? He has an issue every season, plus he's a pitcher with a ton of innings on his arm the past several years, he is going to miss time. Bradley is an injury machine. Ramirez gets hurt every year.

 

The team we have is fine? If fine is what you want, then be happy. But I think being a fan of a team, and wanting them to win a lot, would seem to be a good reason to want more than fine. Fine gets you 85 wins, which normally doesn't get you in the playoffs.

 

Quit bitching about fans who actually want the team they root for to win lots of games. Because this team isn't and they will need improvements to do so.

[Bull]

Why the hell would we fire Lou?

 

Because he's a poor manager?

 

"What are you talking about?!? He won us back to back division titles and won 97 games last season!"

 

Seriously, Lou has gotten progressively worse since he's gotten here, and has been flat out BRUTAL this season.

 

I'm not even saying he should or will be fired, but come on. There's a very good reason a lot of people want him gone. Stop looking at win/loss records to determine how good a manager is. Look at the moves he makes and what he does. If you do that, it's easy to see that he's been pretty awful.

 

If Lou is terrible and should have won more games with the team he has, then Hendry must have put together a 100 win team. You can't hate Hendry AND Lou AND acknowledge that there have been a ridiculous number of injuries/under-performances. Lou is a great manager despite his flaws.

[Keener98]

Lou is nowhere close to being a great manager. He isnt the worst manager, but hes definitely not a great manager.