lol shawon dunston is smart

[NewUserName]

when i was a kid i used to tell everyone that shawon was a better ss than ozzie smith. to me he was the best ss in the game.

 

what an idiot.

 

I know range factor is not a great stat, but he had a couple of years early in his career that were over 7. I think getting to 2 balls a game more than Ozzie while only making 30 more errors may be a decent argument that he was better.

[SouthSideRyan]

when i was a kid i used to tell everyone that shawon was a better ss than ozzie smith. to me he was the best ss in the game.

 

what an idiot.

 

I know range factor is not a great stat, but he had a couple of years early in his career that were over 7. I think getting to 2 balls a game more than Ozzie while only making 30 more errors may be a decent argument that he was better.

 

Where are those #s coming from?

[NewUserName]

when i was a kid i used to tell everyone that shawon was a better ss than ozzie smith. to me he was the best ss in the game.

 

what an idiot.

 

I know range factor is not a great stat, but he had a couple of years early in his career that were over 7. I think getting to 2 balls a game more than Ozzie while only making 30 more errors may be a decent argument that he was better.

 

Where are those #s coming from?

 

I actually pulled it from memory. It was basically my recollection of a Bill James comment in a Baseball Abstract from the mid 80s. But looking it up in Baseball reference doesnt tell the same story. My bad

[NCCubFan]

Introducing the Cubs next manager.

Fixed.

[Tracer Bullet]

oh my god, another part of my childhood withers and dies

 

My family and I passed Dunston walking the streets of St. Louis after a game. One of the biggest [expletive] ever. He was my favorite player growing up until that day.

Details? These stories always make me laugh and cry at the same time. Some of my childhood heroes were/are complete jerks as people.

 

At the end of each little league season there would be a "banquet" which was basically dinner for families. There was always an athlete that would speak. Former Cubs catcher Barry Foote was one of the speakers. During the dinner (while he was eating) a friend of mine and I approached him for his autograph. I'll admit now that it was pretty rude on our part, but he cursed us out enough to make my friend cry. I was 8 and a catcher on our team, he was my hero before that encounter.

 

Not much of a story. I was probably 12 and we went to St Louis for a 3-game series. Stayed at the same hotel as the Cubs. Some of them were funny and cool - Jerome Walton would stand and sign forever. Had a million gold chains around his neck. Rode the elevator with Steve Stone several times and he chatted with my parents. Grace was in a bar, which I couldn't go in, but he let my parents sit next to him and chat him up. He was with a couple players I didn't know. Waited in the lobby with Mitch Williams for his pizza after a night game (he was barefoot and his shirt was completely unbuttoned). Dawson would let you walk with him but wouldn't sign. So he'd have this mob of kids following him to and from the park and he'd talk with all of us.

 

But some were jerks. Sandberg used the utility elevator to go through the kitchen and out the back door to a limo rather than walk across the street to the park. My mom asked Luis Salazar for an autograph as he walked into the hotel and he moved his shoulders forward in a lunge-like motion, as if he was going to punch her or something. I believe she called him a jerk after that. Saw Dunston walking on the street around noon the day of a night game and he pretended he wasn't Dunston. I said something like "sure you are, you're Shawon Dunston, you're one of my favorite players." And he said something like "get lost kid." I didn't ask for an autograph or a picture, I was just excited to see the guy whose job I wanted (as a kid, I was convinced I was going to play SS for the Cubs). In retrospect, he was probably off to meet his St Louis girl or do some blow.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

when i was a kid i used to tell everyone that shawon was a better ss than ozzie smith. to me he was the best ss in the game.

 

what an idiot.

 

I know range factor is not a great stat, but he had a couple of years early in his career that were over 7. I think getting to 2 balls a game more than Ozzie while only making 30 more errors may be a decent argument that he was better.

 

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dunstsh01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smithoz01.shtml

[fromthestretch]

Not much of a story. I was probably 12 and we went to St Louis for a 3-game series. Stayed at the same hotel as the Cubs. Some of them were funny and cool - Jerome Walton would stand and sign forever. Had a million gold chains around his neck. Rode the elevator with Steve Stone several times and he chatted with my parents. Grace was in a bar, which I couldn't go in, but he let my parents sit next to him and chat him up. He was with a couple players I didn't know. Waited in the lobby with Mitch Williams for his pizza after a night game (he was barefoot and his shirt was completely unbuttoned). Dawson would let you walk with him but wouldn't sign. So he'd have this mob of kids following him to and from the park and he'd talk with all of us.

 

But some were jerks. Sandberg used the utility elevator to go through the kitchen and out the back door to a limo rather than walk across the street to the park. My mom asked Luis Salazar for an autograph as he walked into the hotel and he moved his shoulders forward in a lunge-like motion, as if he was going to punch her or something. I believe she called him a jerk after that. Saw Dunston walking on the street around noon the day of a night game and he pretended he wasn't Dunston. I said something like "sure you are, you're Shawon Dunston, you're one of my favorite players." And he said something like "get lost kid." I didn't ask for an autograph or a picture, I was just excited to see the guy whose job I wanted (as a kid, I was convinced I was going to play SS for the Cubs). In retrospect, he was probably off to meet his St Louis girl or do some blow.

 

I met Dunston once during one of those Cubs Caravan events. He was quiet but more than willing to sign autographs. The line for his autograph was by far the longest, and I was at the very end of it. He waved me over from the end of the line and signed a few baseball cards for me.

 

As far as bad experiences, my cousin had a horrible experience trying to get Ron Cey's autograph after a game once. He was not exactly fan-friendly.

[NewUserName]

when i was a kid i used to tell everyone that shawon was a better ss than ozzie smith. to me he was the best ss in the game.

 

what an idiot.

 

I know range factor is not a great stat, but he had a couple of years early in his career that were over 7. I think getting to 2 balls a game more than Ozzie while only making 30 more errors may be a decent argument that he was better.

 

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dunstsh01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smithoz01.shtml

 

Already admitted my error....but thanx for providing links.

[sneakypower]

Sandoval's just 22 and slugging .560- who exactly is complaining about his approach?

[OleMissCub]

Just looking at his stats and noticed this:

 

In 74 plate appearances with the Bucs in 97, his OBP was actually lower than his BA.

[MSG T]

Just looking at his stats and noticed this:

 

In 74 plate appearances with the Bucs in 97, his OBP was actually lower than his BA.

 

 

That's what happens when you have no walks and 3 sacrifices in those 74 PAs.

 

In 6276 career PAs, he had 29 fewer walks (203) than Bonds did in 617 PAs (232 walks) in 2004.