Pujols - Time to Give Him the Bonds' Treatment ?

MembersOnlyJacket · June 22, 2009

Why does anyone pitch to Pujols ? His OPS is nearly .400 higher than anyone on the Cardinals. All he does is damage the baseball.

If I am the opposing manager/pitcher, I wouldn't mess around with Pujols if there are runners on base or if he can affect the outcome of the game in any way.

Hypothetical situation; Cubs up one run, Gregg on the mound, runner at first. Pujols is at bat, Ludwick on deck. Would you walk Pujols ?

Yes.

Sammy Sofa · June 22, 2009

Why does anyone pitch to Pujols ? His OPS is nearly .400 higher than anyone on the Cardinals. All he does is damage the baseball.

If I am the opposing manager/pitcher, I wouldn't mess around with Pujols if there are runners on base or if he can affect the outcome of the game in any way.

Hypothetical situation; Cubs up one run, Gregg on the mound, runner at first. Pujols is at bat, Ludwick on deck. Would you walk Pujols ?

Yes.

Right now? Yes.

Clem Fandango · June 22, 2009

Slowly but surely, he is starting to get the Bonds treatment. He set a career high in walks last year with 104. 34 of them were intentional. He's already halfway to that point with 52 walks and of those 52, 22 of them are intentional, and we still haven't reached the midpoint of the season yet. He is getting the Bonds treatment, just not on such a grand scale yet. There are still hitters in that lineup that pose some sort of threat, albeit a much smaller one than Pujols does, but Bonds had absolutely nothing protecting him. There was no reason to pitch to him then. But yeah, Pujols is probably going to top 120 BB's this year and probably 50 IBB as well. I would imagine it will be more than that next year, too.

wolf stansson · June 22, 2009

Oh god it's sweet. Honestly, I just look at him and feel safe. I love that man.

Hairyducked Idiot · June 22, 2009

Mathematically: not quite, but close. Maybe anytime there are two outs.

jiml60 · June 22, 2009

The Bonds treatment as in how big his body has gotten the last few years and how quickly he bounces back from injury? I say Yes.

Derwood · June 22, 2009

he leads the majors in OPS, but has Ben Zobrist (FTH?)hot on his tail

str8carter · June 22, 2009

There is no one today that should be walked every time up...the best will fail 2 of 3 times. But there are certain game situations where caution should be used. Albert and a few others should be walked w/1st base open. Other times the pitcher should man up and go for the out.

Roast · June 23, 2009

There is no one today that should be walked every time up...the best will fail 2 of 3 times. But there are certain game situations where caution should be used. Albert and a few others should be walked w/1st base open. Other times the pitcher should man up and go for the out.

Man up? Really?

There are lots and lots of situations where I'd be just find with walking Pujols. Not as much as I would have bonds a few years ago, but as others have said, it's quickly approaching that.

Roast · June 23, 2009

Case in point: Right now in the mets/cards game. There is one out, a runner on first, and Pujols is up. The mets are up by 1. I would seriously consider walking him here. I'd much rather face ludwick.

Roast · June 23, 2009

and he grounded into a DP. lol.

17 Seconds · June 23, 2009

guys keep in mind that bonds walked 232 times in 2004

str8carter · June 23, 2009

and he grounded into a DP. lol.

Exactly. If he hits anything on the ground it's an instant DP. And it may come as a surprize that Albert is not the Cards' best clutch hitter....that would be Molina.

Coach C · June 23, 2009

Went to the Cards/Royals game on Fathers Day on Sunday, and my dad wondered why nobody walks him anymore.

Grand Slam hit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/SwedeCarlson/Royals/IMG_1580.jpg

Solo shot hit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/SwedeCarlson/Royals/IMG_1603.jpg

Not exactly the best of shots, but I was in the upperdeck at the K, so I thought it was decent, despite being way up there in the View Level Infield section.

Vanilla Ice · June 23, 2009

and he grounded into a DP. lol.
Exactly. If he hits anything on the ground it's an instant DP. And it may come as a surprize that Albert is not the Cards' best clutch hitter....that would be Molina.

ha ha ha ha ha

Sammy Sofa · June 23, 2009

And it may come as a surprize that Albert is not the Cards' best clutch hitter....that would be Molina.

It would definitely be a surprise since it's not even remotely close to being true.

Roast · June 23, 2009

and he grounded into a DP. lol.
Exactly. If he hits anything on the ground it's an instant DP. And it may come as a surprize that Albert is not the Cards' best clutch hitter....that would be Molina.

yeah, no.

This year with... (avg/obp/slg/ops) - (rank on team according to baseball reference)

RISP:

Pujols: .353/.548/.686/1.234 - 1

Molina: .281/.408/.316/.724 - 8

Close & Late:

Pujols: .267/.450/.300/.750 - 6

Molina: .231/.231/.269/.500 - 13

Tie Game:

Pujols: .351/.442/.844/1.286 - 3

Molina: .273/.347/.341/.688 - 9

Within 1 Run:

Pujols: .312/.455/.712/1.167 - 1

Molina: .255/.303/.324/.626 - 14

Innings 7-9

Pujols: .310/.430/.521/.951 - 5

Molina: .277/.338/.369/.707 - 11

I could keep going... But yeah, it's not even close.

rocket · June 23, 2009

haha, ouch

Bobson Dugnutt · June 23, 2009

boom, roasted.

Post Count Padder · June 23, 2009

When I read the title I thought he meant treating him like a steroid user.

wolf stansson · June 23, 2009

and he grounded into a DP. lol.
Exactly. If he hits anything on the ground it's an instant DP. And it may come as a surprize that Albert is not the Cards' best clutch hitter....that would be Molina.
yeah, no.

This year with... (avg/obp/slg/ops) - (rank on team according to baseball reference)

RISP:
Pujols: .353/.548/.686/1.234 - 1
Molina: .281/.408/.316/.724 - 8

Close & Late:
Pujols: .267/.450/.300/.750 - 6
Molina: .231/.231/.269/.500 - 13

Tie Game:
Pujols: .351/.442/.844/1.286 - 3
Molina: .273/.347/.341/.688 - 9

Within 1 Run:
Pujols: .312/.455/.712/1.167 - 1
Molina: .255/.303/.324/.626 - 14

Innings 7-9
Pujols: .310/.430/.521/.951 - 5
Molina: .277/.338/.369/.707 - 11

I could keep going... But yeah, it's not even close.

And hey what do you know? Average those out and you get pretty much the same ops as his overall season, not too far off from his career ops.

NonProfitCow · July 1, 2009

Pujols numbers through June 30th

.332 .453 .743 1.197

30HR

77RBI

Unreal season.

Sosa 2001 through June 30th

.306 .422 .665 1.087

26HR

75RBI

Sosa 1998 through June 30th

.327 .386 .676 1.062

33HR

79RBI

Bonds 2001 through June 30th

.305 .483 .863 1.345

39HR

71RBI

Edited July 1, 2009 by NonProfitCow

Roast · July 1, 2009

Pujols numbers through June 30th
.332 .453 .743 1.197
30HR
77RBI

Unreal season.

Sosa 2001 through June 30th
.306 .422 .665 1.087
26HR
75RBI

Sosa 1998 through June 30th
.327 .386 .676 1.062
33HR
79RBI

Oh my god I didn't realize he was on that kind of a pace. Sosa's 2001 was just ridiculous.

OleMissCub · July 1, 2009

yes, but what about the cardinals pythag record? :D

vance_the_cubs_fan · July 1, 2009

Pujols numbers through June 30th
.332 .453 .743 1.197
30HR
77RBI

Unreal season.

Sosa 2001 through June 30th
.306 .422 .665 1.087
26HR
75RBI

Sosa 1998 through June 30th
.327 .386 .676 1.062
33HR
79RBI

Bonds 2001 through June 30th
.305 .483 .863 1.345
39HR
71RBI

must be the roids

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