Re: The Central gets NO repect!

[str8carter]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

You guys get a little mention because of Wilbon and Mariotti, but the other 3 teams might as well be playing in Siberia.

 

Well, after the NBA finals we will get a little attention for a couple of weeks and then it will be Brett Farve this and T.O. that :!:

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think its because of the Market sizes. In the Easts, you have Phily, New York, and Boston, in the Wests, you have The California teams and Seattle. In the Centrals, all there really is is Chicago, and to a smaller extent, Detroit. St. Louis, Milwaukee, and Kanses City are all very small markets, comparitvely speaking, so those divisions couldnt possibly be as good as the others.

[jersey cubs fan]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

Perhaps they have the most wins because they have the most teams, and most opportunity to win. Don't they also have the most losses? Who cares about a battle for 1st on June 1? The central has 2 crappy teams and 4 teams basically playing .500 ball the last couple weeks.

[str8carter]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

Perhaps they have the most wins because they have the most teams, and most opportunity to win. Don't they also have the most losses? Who cares about a battle for 1st on June 1? The central has 2 crappy teams and 4 teams basically playing .500 ball the last couple weeks.

Are you serious? The

relation to wins and losses does'nt change if the division had 2 teams or 100. We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West.

 

And as to the .500 ball, would it matter if it was .700? I don't think so.

[jersey cubs fan]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

Perhaps they have the most wins because they have the most teams, and most opportunity to win. Don't they also have the most losses? Who cares about a battle for 1st on June 1? The central has 2 crappy teams and 4 teams basically playing .500 ball the last couple weeks.

Are you serious? The

relation to wins and losses does'nt change if the division had 2 teams or 100. We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West..

 

And the other cental teams.

[A-Cal]

i don't agree from an ESPN standpoint because ESPN is [expletive].

 

However, from a baseball perspective, the NL Central is not given enough props and thoroughly crapped on regularly.

 

It IS a tough division, maybe one of the toughest in the league...

 

but whatever...AL East...blah blah blah

[bukie]

The NL Central has the most wins in the majors overall, with 152. The most losses in the majors overall? Also the NL Central, with 144.

 

However, the AL East is 135-123, for a .523 winning percentage, while the NL Central is 152-144 for a .514 winning percentage.

[str8carter]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

Perhaps they have the most wins because they have the most teams, and most opportunity to win. Don't they also have the most losses? Who cares about a battle for 1st on June 1? The central has 2 crappy teams and 4 teams basically playing .500 ball the last couple weeks.

Are you serious? The

relation to wins and losses does'nt change if the division had 2 teams or 100. We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West..

 

And the other cental teams.

I gotta figure you been up all nite or something. The win and loss % in the central is allways 50%....for every win there is a loss. Duh. We have more wins because of the games we play OUT of the division.

 

Now go get some sleep!

[bukie]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

Perhaps they have the most wins because they have the most teams, and most opportunity to win. Don't they also have the most losses? Who cares about a battle for 1st on June 1? The central has 2 crappy teams and 4 teams basically playing .500 ball the last couple weeks.

Are you serious? The

relation to wins and losses does'nt change if the division had 2 teams or 100. We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West..

 

And the other cental teams.

I gotta figure you been up all nite or something. The win and loss % in the central is allways 50%....for every win there is a loss. Duh. We have more wins because of the games we play OUT of the division.

 

Now go get some sleep!

Again, the NL Central has the most wins because they have the most teams. If you mean to say or imply something else, then do so. A 6 team division averaging 25 wins is going to have more overall wins than a 5 team division averaging 27 wins.

[jersey cubs fan]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

Perhaps they have the most wins because they have the most teams, and most opportunity to win. Don't they also have the most losses? Who cares about a battle for 1st on June 1? The central has 2 crappy teams and 4 teams basically playing .500 ball the last couple weeks.

Are you serious? The

relation to wins and losses does'nt change if the division had 2 teams or 100. We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West..

 

And the other cental teams.

I gotta figure you been up all nite or something. The win and loss % in the central is allways 50%....for every win there is a loss. Duh. We have more wins because of the games we play OUT of the division.

 

Now go get some sleep!

 

You lauded the fact that they have the most wins. The reason they do is because they have the most teams. It's not that much of an accomplishment. They also have the most losses, because they have the most teams.

[big_shooter17]

The teams in the central as of today are 8 over against the east and 5 over against the west. From a quick scan, there is no other division in baseball that is over .500 against both of the other two divisions. I could be wrong because I just did quick mental math, but that would say that relative to the rest of their own league, the NL Central is, as of right now as good (and competitive) as any division in baseball. I would still say that the AL East is better of course, but when compared to the rest of the AL and also when looking at the division top to bottom, that division has weaknesses of course. Of course, these numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt. Not a lot of games have been played by certain teams against certain divisions (Astros for example are 7-2 against the West, which is our difference maker), but it is what we have for this discussion. Total wins certainly is not a useful stat because the NL Central would then always be the best and the AL West the worst.

[chuckywang]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

Perhaps they have the most wins because they have the most teams, and most opportunity to win. Don't they also have the most losses? Who cares about a battle for 1st on June 1? The central has 2 crappy teams and 4 teams basically playing .500 ball the last couple weeks.

Are you serious? The

relation to wins and losses does'nt change if the division had 2 teams or 100. We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West..

 

And the other cental teams.

I gotta figure you been up all nite or something. The win and loss % in the central is allways 50%....for every win there is a loss. Duh. We have more wins because of the games we play OUT of the division.

 

Now go get some sleep!

 

The 6 Central teams play more games in-division than other divisons.

Case in point:

In 2008, Central teams played 474 divisional games. The West played 360 divisional games. The conclusion is that Central teams are guaranteed 114 more wins than the West right off the bat, so the statement "We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West" isn't valid.

[imb]

the central gets no respect because st louis is full drug addicts and wife abusers

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[Sammys Boombox]

I haven't looked at the numbers recently, but as of about a week and a half ago every team in the central was at or above .500 against teams not in the central. The Astros and Pirates just had horrible records against the rest of the division (Reds, Cubs, Cardinals, Brewers).

[big_shooter17]

 

The 6 Central teams play more games in-division than other divisons.

Case in point:

In 2008, Central teams played 474 divisional games. The West played 360 divisional games. The conclusion is that Central teams are guaranteed 114 more wins than the West right off the bat, so the statement "We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West" isn't valid.

 

That is why you don't look at total wins, but rather at winning percentages against those divisions. The central has winning percentages over .500 against both the east and west. In fact the winning percentage against the west improved tonight while the central was 50/50 in the two games against the east.

[NonProfitCow]

The Central is full of "sneaky strong" teams. I don't really know how else to put it. I think that any team in the Central could compete in any other NL division. Well, maybe not the Astros.

[mjohnson71]

The Cubs could win the World Series and ESPN would still lead SportsCenter off with a story about ARod having a hangnail.

 

Their second story would then be a Peter Gammons report from Fenway.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs could win the World Series and ESPN would still lead SportsCenter off with a story about ARod having a hangnail.

 

Their second story would then be a Peter Gammons report from Fenway.

 

A) No, the Cubs could not win the world series.

 

B) The Cubs are one of ESPN's most pimped out teams, they would ride that story until the freaking cows came home and burned down the town again.

[TruffleShuffle]

The Cubs could win the World Series and ESPN would still lead SportsCenter off with a story about ARod having a hangnail.

 

Their second story would then be a Peter Gammons report from Fenway.

 

A) No, the Cubs could not win the world series.

 

B) The Cubs are one of ESPN's most pimped out teams, they would ride that story until the freaking cows came home and burned down the town again.

 

apparently people haven't noticed how frequently the cubs have been on espn this year. i know that the yankees and red sox are covered more - which makes sense since those are the most popular teams - but the cubs are given a lot of press too.

[Ricky Vaughn]

Here we got the best battle for 1st by far (not to mention the most wins) of any division in baseball and all I hear on ESPN is Manny this and Arod that!

 

Perhaps they have the most wins because they have the most teams, and most opportunity to win. Don't they also have the most losses? Who cares about a battle for 1st on June 1? The central has 2 crappy teams and 4 teams basically playing .500 ball the last couple weeks.

Are you serious? The

relation to wins and losses does'nt change if the division had 2 teams or 100. We have the most wins because we have won more games over the East and West.

 

And as to the .500 ball, would it matter if it was .700? I don't think so.

 

It's simple math. More teams=more wins. And more losses. Don't believe me?

 

Combined records, as of right now:

 

AL East

137-123 .526 winning %

"Average" record of 27.4-24.6

 

AL East

123-131 .484 winning %

"Average" record of 24.6-26.2

 

AL West

98-102 .490 winning %

"Average" record of 24.5-25.5

 

NL East

119-131 .470 winning %

"Average" record of 23.8-26.2

 

NL Central

155-146 .515 winning %

"Average" record of 25.8-24.3

 

NL West 128-127 .502 winning %

"Average" record of 25.6-25.4

 

So, yeah, the NLC has the most wins....but they also have the most losses. Is that worthy of it's own thread, too? The NLC does NOT have the most wins per team, or the highest winning percentage, which are the better indicators.

[nwg414]

The Cubs could win the World Series and ESPN would still lead SportsCenter off with a story about ARod having a hangnail.

 

Their second story would then be a Peter Gammons report from Fenway.

 

A) No, the Cubs could not win the world series.

 

B) The Cubs are one of ESPN's most pimped out teams, they would ride that story until the freaking cows came home and burned down the town again.

 

apparently people haven't noticed how frequently the cubs have been on espn this year. i know that the yankees and red sox are covered more - which makes sense since those are the most popular teams - but the cubs are given a lot of press too.

 

Yep, the Yanks and Sox are for sure ESPN's top sweethearts but third I would say is a close race between the Cubs and Mets. To think that if the Cubs win a WS that ESPN wouldn't ride that story for weeks is ludicrous.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs could win the World Series and ESPN would still lead SportsCenter off with a story about ARod having a hangnail.

 

Their second story would then be a Peter Gammons report from Fenway.

 

A) No, the Cubs could not win the world series.

 

B) The Cubs are one of ESPN's most pimped out teams, they would ride that story until the freaking cows came home and burned down the town again.

 

apparently people haven't noticed how frequently the cubs have been on espn this year. i know that the yankees and red sox are covered more - which makes sense since those are the most popular teams - but the cubs are given a lot of press too.

 

Yep, the Yanks and Sox are for sure ESPN's top sweethearts but third I would say is a close race between the Cubs and Mets. To think that if the Cubs win a WS that ESPN wouldn't ride that story for weeks is ludicrous.

 

I think the Cubs are easily #3, followed by a group that includes the Dodgers, STL, San Fran, Mets and then whatever flavor of the month team floats their boat. Detroit has held this distinction, Tampa for part of last year, the Angels at times.

[Derwood]

The Dodgers leapt over the Cubs with Torre/Manny

[Soul]

Yeah, Dodgers get more pub lately. Boston/NY remain fascinated with their former player & coach.