5/30 Dodgers (Stults) @ Cobs (Dempster) 3:10 CDT FOX

[illiniguy]

GT ain't the place for this 'roid discussion, but let me add this one thing FYI....I did a little checking on stats to see if I could find any sort of pattern in users. What I found was quite interesting.

 

McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmero and ALL the usual suspects had a career year in strike outs in their best HR year. I then looked at the past greats Ruth, Dimag, Hack Wilson, you name 'em. To a man there was no difference in K's. Not a single one of them. The coincedence was too great to ignore.

 

So with a heavy heart the last player I looked up was Junior. Guess what? His career S.O. Ave. was 80. His bust out HR year he struck out 121 times, a higher increase than all of 'em. You can look it up. :(

I don't get at all how this means anything.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Heilman in to pitch for the CUBS

[BCVM22]

Alright Aaron, make it good, make it quick.

[David]

GT ain't the place for this 'roid discussion, but let me add this one thing FYI....I did a little checking on stats to see if I could find any sort of pattern in users. What I found was quite interesting.

 

McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmero and ALL the usual suspects had a career year in strike outs in their best HR year. I then looked at the past greats Ruth, Dimag, Hack Wilson, you name 'em. To a man there was no difference in K's. Not a single one of them. The coincedence was too great to ignore.

 

So with a heavy heart the last player I looked up was Junior. Guess what? His career S.O. Ave. was 80. His bust out HR year he struck out 121 times, a higher increase than all of 'em. You can look it up. :(

I don't get at all how this means anything.

 

 

It doesn't

[Andy]

I know from experience that Logansport, Indiana, is NOT 'nearby' Chicago. It's a good hour and 15 minutes from South Bend, which in turn is an hour and a half from Chicago.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Furcal singled to left field

[E.J.]

Heilman in to give up a few runs before finishing the game.

[Outshined_One]

McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmero and ALL the usual suspects had a career year in strike outs in their best HR year. I then looked at the past greats Ruth, Dimag, Hack Wilson, you name 'em. To a man there was no difference in K's. Not a single one of them. The coincedence was too great to ignore.

 

So with a heavy heart the last player I looked up was Junior. Guess what? His career S.O. Ave. was 80. His bust out HR year he struck out 121 times, a higher increase than all of 'em. You can look it up. :(

 

There might be something to that, but if you look at most of the prolific power hitters of this era, you'll find a ton of strikeouts scattered among them. Guys like Albert Pujols and Aramis Ramirez are more the exception than the norm. There was a study done on I want to say The Hardball Times awhile ago that looked at the correlation between power hitters and strikeouts. The general finding from the study was that an increase in home run hitting tended to lead itself to an increase in strikeouts. I'll post it if I find it.

 

I think it's difficult to compare HR hitters across eras in that way, too. Pitching and hitting have changed so much over the years.

[illiniguy]

Heilman in to give up a few runs before finishing the game.

But he grew up a Cubs fan.

[E.J.]

Heilman in to give up a few runs before finishing the game.

But he grew up a Cubs fan.

 

And he went to Notre Dame!

[illiniguy]

McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmero and ALL the usual suspects had a career year in strike outs in their best HR year. I then looked at the past greats Ruth, Dimag, Hack Wilson, you name 'em. To a man there was no difference in K's. Not a single one of them. The coincedence was too great to ignore.

 

So with a heavy heart the last player I looked up was Junior. Guess what? His career S.O. Ave. was 80. His bust out HR year he struck out 121 times, a higher increase than all of 'em. You can look it up. :(

 

There might be something to that, but if you look at most of the prolific power hitters of this era, you'll find a ton of strikeouts scattered among them. Guys like Albert Pujols and Aramis Ramirez are more the exception than the norm. There was a study done on I want to say The Hardball Times awhile ago that looked at the correlation between power hitters and strikeouts. The general finding from the study was that an increase in home run hitting tended to lead itself to an increase in strikeouts. I'll post it if I find it.

 

I think it's difficult to compare HR hitters across eras in that way, too. Pitching and hitting have changed so much over the years.

How many Loogys do you think Ruth faced in his career?

[JonJayCutler]

Where was that pitch?

[Fred Hornkohl]

Hudson walked , Furcal to second

[David]

Without even looking, I bet Jr.'s career strikeout average is significantly skewed by the injury shortened years and the first year or two of his career where he might've had less playing time.

[InconspicuousZ28]

Throw strikes, clown. Geezus. A 7 run lead and this idiot won't put the ball over the plate.

[E.J.]

Marmol warming up. Thanks a lot Heilman.

[Andy]

Where was that pitch?

If you mean the 3-0, it was outside.

[SpongeWorthy]

FOX missed Jeff Kent on the "Name the two 2nd basemen to hit 25 or more homers in 4 consecutive seasons."

 

Edit: Bloops, guess not. I guessed Kent and Ryno and looked it up on B-R and I guess I didn't look closely enough because I thought I was right at first. Now, I'm looking at Kent's numbers again and he had a few sub 25 HR seasons sprinkled in when he was a force.

Edited May 30, 2009 by SpongeWorthy

[InconspicuousZ28]

Huh? The extra work for Marmol gives them more of a chance to win tomorrow?

[Andy]

FOX missed Jeff Kent on the "Name the two 2nd basemen to hit 25 or more homers in 4 consecutive seasons."

Just looked it up, he never did.

 

Good GOD, Heilman. SEVEN TO [expletive] NOTHING.

[E.J.]

Huh? The extra work for Marmol gives them more of a chance to win tomorrow?

 

Yep. That made a lot of sense. I'm guessing he meant lessens the chance of the Cubs winning.

[TruffleShuffle]

FOX missed Jeff Kent on the "Name the two 2nd basemen to hit 25 or more homers in 4 consecutive seasons."

 

kent never did it.

[Vanilla Ice]

Why would we not put Patton in? Come on Lou

[TruffleShuffle]

ok lou you spaz, now sit marmol down.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Loney grounded into a DP, 4-6-3, Hudson out at second, Furcal to third