Ankiel might be broken

[weis21]

Well that's a relief, I'm glad he's OK.

 

Me too. I really thought I had just witnessed someone become a quadriplegic.

 

It wouldn't have been that bad... the way he went in, his arms braced him (although minimally) and he went high which would be a lower cervical injury. If he would have tripped earlier and gone low... with the way his head twisted before impact, could have been an Atlas/Axis injury (First/Second Cervical Spines) which is noooo good.

 

I may hate Ankiel with all my guts... but this always makes me sympathetic no matter who it is.

Forgive my ignorance, but doesn't this page beg to differ? You may not live the rest of your days as a quadriplegic with a lower cervical injury - but lower cervical injuries are still very much a danger to the recipient. I have a very good friend whose mother was a quadriplegic so I know just how devastating C1 and C2 injuries are. But any spine injury has the potential to be devastating.

[Cynosure]

Well that's a relief, I'm glad he's OK.

 

Me too. I really thought I had just witnessed someone become a quadriplegic.

 

It wouldn't have been that bad... the way he went in, his arms braced him (although minimally) and he went high which would be a lower cervical injury. If he would have tripped earlier and gone low... with the way his head twisted before impact, could have been an Atlas/Axis injury (First/Second Cervical Spines) which is noooo good.

 

I may hate Ankiel with all my guts... but this always makes me sympathetic no matter who it is.

Forgive my ignorance, but doesn't this page beg to differ? You may not live the rest of your days as a quadriplegic with a lower cervical injury - but lower cervical injuries are still very much a danger to the recipient. I have a very good friend whose mother was a quadriplegic so I know just how devastating C1 and C2 injuries are. But any spine injury has the potential to be devastating.

 

ANY cervical spine injuries could be devastating... however, at that velocity he would have had to really torque at the right angle to damage the spinal cord (to cause paralysis). Usually, cervical spine injuries that cause paralysis are brought on by high velocity trauma like car accidents or football/hockey hits where two bodies are coming together at full speed. His collision was a body in motion against a body at rest which (if the C-Spine was not critically damaged) would cause more of concussion type symptoms and would elicit a full recovery.

 

This is why we, as EMS personnel take C-spine immobilization extremely seriously. I don't care if you collided with your center fielder in your soft ball game... you're going on a backboard and getting a collar.

[weis21]

Well that's a relief, I'm glad he's OK.

 

Me too. I really thought I had just witnessed someone become a quadriplegic.

 

It wouldn't have been that bad... the way he went in, his arms braced him (although minimally) and he went high which would be a lower cervical injury. If he would have tripped earlier and gone low... with the way his head twisted before impact, could have been an Atlas/Axis injury (First/Second Cervical Spines) which is noooo good.

 

I may hate Ankiel with all my guts... but this always makes me sympathetic no matter who it is.

Forgive my ignorance, but doesn't this page beg to differ? You may not live the rest of your days as a quadriplegic with a lower cervical injury - but lower cervical injuries are still very much a danger to the recipient. I have a very good friend whose mother was a quadriplegic so I know just how devastating C1 and C2 injuries are. But any spine injury has the potential to be devastating.

 

ANY cervical spine injuries could be devastating... however, at that velocity he would have had to really torque at the right angle to damage the spinal cord (to cause paralysis). Usually, cervical spine injuries that cause paralysis are brought on by high velocity trauma like car accidents or football/hockey hits where two bodies are coming together at full speed. His collision was a body in motion against a body at rest which (if the C-Spine was not critically damaged) would cause more of concussion type symptoms and would elicit a full recovery.

Fair enough. As a layman I just look at a guy running almost full speed into a wall head first and imagine that it could probably be devastating. But, it sounds like you've got a lot more knowledge than I do in this field so I will bow to your explanation. Either way, it sounds like he'll be OK and that's all that is important.

[Sammy Sofa]

Good God, that's horrible.

[Cynosure]

Fair enough. As a layman I just look at a guy running almost full speed into a wall head first and imagine that it could probably be devastating. But, it sounds like you've got a lot more knowledge than I do in this field so I will bow to your explanation. Either way, it sounds like he'll be OK and that's all that is important.

 

Whoever/whatever made you, made your body tough for a reason. Maybe diving into a wall while playing baseball wasn't one of them, but there are certainly many other reasons for it. Really quite amazing what the human body can withstand.

 

I am no MD so I won't diagnose. Just going from what I've experienced in the field... I think we have a couple MDs on this board and they could probably give you a more concrete answer.

[weis21]

Fair enough. As a layman I just look at a guy running almost full speed into a wall head first and imagine that it could probably be devastating. But, it sounds like you've got a lot more knowledge than I do in this field so I will bow to your explanation. Either way, it sounds like he'll be OK and that's all that is important.

 

Whoever/whatever made you, made your body tough for a reason. Maybe diving into a wall while playing baseball wasn't one of them, but there are certainly many other reasons for it. Really quite amazing what the human body can withstand.

 

I am no MD so I won't diagnose. Just going from what I've experienced in the field... I think we have a couple MDs on this board and they could probably give you a more concrete answer.

No, your answer is 100% understandable. I just think that we are programmed to the fact that when we watch someone run into a solid wall full speed head first - we expect the worst.

[Mephistopheles]

maybe in japan that's actually better than catching the ball

 

 

i probably shouldn't have laughed at that. but i did.

[OleMissCub]

that's horrifying

[NonProfitCow]

ST. LOUIS (AP)—Rick Ankiel was carted off the field with his head and neck immobilized, then taken to a hospital for tests after the St. Louis Cardinals outfielder slammed headfirst into the fence following a running catch Monday night.

 

X-rays and a CT scan of Ankiel’s head, neck and back were all negative and showed no fractures, team spokesman Brian Bartow said. Ankiel remained hospitalized overnight for observation and the team said he was day-to-day.

 

Paletta told the team Ankiel was responsive on the field and never lost consciousness.

 

“I hope he’s not hurt,” Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. “He made a tremendous play, he gave 110 percent effort. He hit the wall pretty hard, from what I saw.”

 

When the Phillies’ Ryan Howard saw Ankiel give the thumbs-up, he knew it was a good sign.

 

“As soon as he hit, the first thing you want is to see him move,” Howard said. “It took a little while, but when he gave the thumbs-up that was a good feeling.”

 

Ankiel lay motionless for several minutes, telling left fielder Chris Duncan he thought he wasn’t seriously hurt but didn’t want to move.

 

“I said, ‘Are you all right?”’ Duncan said. “He said, ‘I think so. I’m just going to lay here.’ It’s pretty scary to see someone run that fast into a wall.”

[Keener98]

Glad to hear hes ok, but I cant believe they gave him the catch. Its been said numerous times on the Cubs broadcast that the OF has to go into his glove and throw the ball in or to another teammate to be an out. That shouldnt have been a catch

[Guest]

Glad to hear hes ok, but I cant believe they gave him the catch. Its been said numerous times on the Cubs broadcast that the OF has to go into his glove and throw the ball in or to another teammate to be an out. That shouldnt have been a catch

 

The ball fell out of his hand, not the glove, so he transferred the ball from the glove to his hand. That's an out.

[Andy]

That sucks.

 

Hope he sits out for a while. For both his and the Cubs' sakes.

[TruffleShuffle]

if that was milton bradley he'd be deceased right now.

[Tracer Bullet]

I hate that when I click on the story on espn.com, the video starts playing and if I don't stop it within 5 seconds, I get to see a guy nearly snap his neck.

 

What do you have to force people to watch your videos, espn?

[kujay]

I heard this morning on sports radio here that all scans and x-rays came back negative but that he stayed in the hospital overnight as a precaution.

 

If that wall gets into his head now (not literally...again), is he going to drop every routine fly?

[Tyrant]

RA 24.

[Guest]

How in the world is that considered a catch? Exactly which umpire was able to determine without the use of a telescopic camera lens that there was a ball transfer or that it was ever in his glove, ignoring the fact that Ankiel, himself, was probably blocking whatever umpire had the best view.

[kujay]

How in the world is that considered a catch? Exactly which umpire was able to determine without the use of a telescopic camera lens that there was a ball transfer or that it was ever in his glove, ignoring the fact that Ankiel, himself, was probably blocking whatever umpire had the best view.

 

He caught it with two hands, took a few steps, and then the ball clearly came out when his glove hit the wall. Who needs a telescopic camera lens? It seems pretty clear.

[jersey cubs fan]

How in the world is that considered a catch? Exactly which umpire was able to determine without the use of a telescopic camera lens that there was a ball transfer or that it was ever in his glove, ignoring the fact that Ankiel, himself, was probably blocking whatever umpire had the best view.

 

How is that your concern after seeing the play?

[fromthestretch]

How in the world is that considered a catch? Exactly which umpire was able to determine without the use of a telescopic camera lens that there was a ball transfer or that it was ever in his glove, ignoring the fact that Ankiel, himself, was probably blocking whatever umpire had the best view.

 

He caught it with two hands, took a few steps, and then the ball clearly came out when his glove hit the wall. Who needs a telescopic camera lens? It seems pretty clear.

 

He had already transferred the ball from his glove to his throwing hand. The ball was in his left hand when he hit the wall. There's no doubt about it.

[jersey cubs fan]

How in the world is that considered a catch? Exactly which umpire was able to determine without the use of a telescopic camera lens that there was a ball transfer or that it was ever in his glove, ignoring the fact that Ankiel, himself, was probably blocking whatever umpire had the best view.

 

He caught it with two hands, took a few steps, and then the ball clearly came out when his glove hit the wall. Who needs a telescopic camera lens? It seems pretty clear.

 

He had already transferred the ball from his glove to his throwing hand. The ball was in his left hand when he hit the wall. There's no doubt about it.

 

I have my doubts. He puts his hand in the glove, but after watching it repeatedly I don't see the ball in his bare hand on impact. It's unclear if it falls out of his glove or if it falls out of his hand.

[reggiemiller rules]

They showed a different angle on the Cards broadcast that clearly showed him taking like 2 steps then transferring the ball to his hand. He clearly had the ball in his hand when he hit the wall.

[fromthestretch]

How in the world is that considered a catch? Exactly which umpire was able to determine without the use of a telescopic camera lens that there was a ball transfer or that it was ever in his glove, ignoring the fact that Ankiel, himself, was probably blocking whatever umpire had the best view.

 

He caught it with two hands, took a few steps, and then the ball clearly came out when his glove hit the wall. Who needs a telescopic camera lens? It seems pretty clear.

 

He had already transferred the ball from his glove to his throwing hand. The ball was in his left hand when he hit the wall. There's no doubt about it.

 

I have my doubts. He puts his hand in the glove, but after watching it repeatedly I don't see the ball in his bare hand on impact. It's unclear if it falls out of his glove or if it falls out of his hand.

 

I can see it in his hand clearly as he hits the wall. Is there anyone here that can take the clip and slow it down a bit?

 

Edited to add: If you look at his left hand when he falls to the ground, the ball is in it. The ball pops out of his hand when his hand hits the ground.

[jersey cubs fan]

I can see it in his hand clearly as he hits the wall. Is there anyone here that can take the clip and slow it down a bit?

 

Edited to add: If you look at his left hand when he falls to the ground, the ball is in it. The ball pops out of his hand when his hand hits the ground.

 

Okay, now that I've seen it much slower I see it. Yes, it's clear.

[Guest]

“I hope he’s not hurt,” Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. “He made a tremendous play, he gave 110 percent effort. He hit the wall pretty hard, from what I saw.”

Gotta love the useless sports clichés.

 

Charlie, that looked like 137% effort to me.