Samardzija Called up, Vizcaino Designated for Assignment

[Old Style]

I think the Cubs still intend to trade Guzman away in some sort of deal and still feels he has value. His numbers dont show it until this point but Guzman still has value in a bigger trade as a piece to include. Patton to me is someone the Cubs want to keep because they feel he has upside and looking at him throw, i feel he's a good piece to keep

 

I'm really confused how somebody can look at Patton and Gooz and determine that Patton has the better upside and is a smarter keep.

I read that quote as him saying Patton was the smarter keep over Vizcaino and that Guzman will have the most trade value of the 3.

[Jehrico]

So let me get this straight...

 

On 4 April (or whatever it was) they thought Vizcaino was a better candidate than Shark to open the season in the pen. Vizcaino, in limited duty, is virtually flawless and gives up nothing, but now they want to dfa him because the other relievers aren't pulling their weight? FTH? Did Shark show something amazing in AAA that I missed?

[Orlando]

What I don't understand is why DFA Vizcaino or any pitcher for that matter and not Gathright? He has been completely useless thus far, and that aside we have 7 outfielders on the roster today.

 

Sori

Bradley

Fuku

Reed

Hoff

Gathright

Miles

 

Besides they could use the extra arm in the pen. Through 13 games Heilman has appeared in 9, Marmol in 8, Guzman in 8, Cotts in 8, Gregg in 7. At this rate they will all appear in over 90 games and there arms will fall off in mid-September.

 

O

[jersey cubs fan]

What I don't understand is why DFA Vizcaino or any pitcher for that matter and not Gathright? He has been completely useless thus far, and that aside we have 7 outfielders on the roster today.

 

Sori

Bradley

Fuku

Reed

Hoff

Gathright

Miles

 

Besides they could use the extra arm in the pen. Through 13 games Heilman has appeared in 9, Marmol in 8, Guzman in 8, Cotts in 8, Gregg in 7. At this rate they will all appear in over 90 games and there arms will fall off in mid-September.

 

O

 

With Bradley essentially inactive, leaving only 3 bench players and a backup catcher on the roster (and one of the bench players being your only MI backup) that's really putting yourself at a disadvantage offensively.

[Banedon]

That said, I have always had my doubts he'd be anything more than a reliever.

 

Yeah. I'm in this camp. I'd love for him to follow the Marmol development path.

[Little Slide Rooter]

What I don't understand is why DFA Vizcaino or any pitcher for that matter and not Gathright? He has been completely useless thus far, and that aside we have 7 outfielders on the roster today.

 

Sori

Bradley

Fuku

Reed

Hoff

Gathright

Miles

 

Besides they could use the extra arm in the pen. Through 13 games Heilman has appeared in 9, Marmol in 8, Guzman in 8, Cotts in 8, Gregg in 7. At this rate they will all appear in over 90 games and there arms will fall off in mid-September.

 

O

 

With Bradley essentially inactive, leaving only 3 bench players and a backup catcher on the roster (and one of the bench players being your only MI backup) that's really putting yourself at a disadvantage offensively.

 

Can Gathright be outrighted to AAA without being waived? If Jake Fox keeps tearing the cover off the ball, something will have to be done.

[Jehrico]

What I don't understand is why DFA Vizcaino or any pitcher for that matter and not Gathright? He has been completely useless thus far, and that aside we have 7 outfielders on the roster today.

 

Sori

Bradley

Fuku

Reed

Hoff

Gathright

Miles

 

Besides they could use the extra arm in the pen. Through 13 games Heilman has appeared in 9, Marmol in 8, Guzman in 8, Cotts in 8, Gregg in 7. At this rate they will all appear in over 90 games and there arms will fall off in mid-September.

 

O

 

With Bradley essentially inactive, leaving only 3 bench players and a backup catcher on the roster (and one of the bench players being your only MI backup) that's really putting yourself at a disadvantage offensively.

While that is true, you can't really say that having Gathright on the roster makes us less disadvantaged offensively than not having him but having the additional arm in the pen. I'd rather have Z as a pinch hitter than Gathright, and I'm sure someone can fill Marquis's void as a pinch runner.

[Keener98]

What I don't understand is why DFA Vizcaino or any pitcher for that matter and not Gathright? He has been completely useless thus far, and that aside we have 7 outfielders on the roster today.

 

Sori

Bradley

Fuku

Reed

Hoff

Gathright

Miles

 

Besides they could use the extra arm in the pen. Through 13 games Heilman has appeared in 9, Marmol in 8, Guzman in 8, Cotts in 8, Gregg in 7. At this rate they will all appear in over 90 games and there arms will fall off in mid-September.

 

O

 

Calling Miles an Of'er is like calling Nick Swisher a pitcher.

[jersey cubs fan]

While that is true, you can't really say that having Gathright on the roster makes us less disadvantaged offensively than not having him but having the additional arm in the pen. I'd rather have Z as a pinch hitter than Gathright, and I'm sure someone can fill Marquis's void as a pinch runner.

 

Sure, but it's still a matter of bodies. You don't really want to use your backup catcher. You also don't want to use your backup MI, for the same reasons, if he goes down nobody can man the position. That leaves 2 backup position players in any game that Bradley is sitting out. Cut Gathwright, and you only have 1 guy you feel comfortable going to in the middle of the game, for any purpose.

[Orlando]

Calling Miles an Of'er is like calling Nick Swisher a pitcher.

 

Miles is also a pitcher. Unfortunately he doesn't have the sparkling ERA that Swisher does or the K's.

 

3 IP 6.00 ERA 0 K's

[Guest]

So now if/when Z, Harden or Marshall get hurt, the 6th starter is Randy Wells? Mitch Atkins?

[Keener98]

So now if/when Z, Harden or Marshall get hurt, the 6th starter is Randy Wells? Mitch Atkins?

 

 

Peavy....Ok my guess is if/when 1 of those goes down, you will see maybe a piggyback of like Samard/Guz or Samard/Heilman until they can get Samard stretched out

[Guest]

So now if/when Z, Harden or Marshall get hurt, the 6th starter is Randy Wells? Mitch Atkins?

Heilman

[SouthSideRyan]

What I don't understand is why DFA Vizcaino or any pitcher for that matter and not Gathright? He has been completely useless thus far, and that aside we have 7 outfielders on the roster today.

 

Sori

Bradley

Fuku

Reed

Hoff

Gathright

Miles

 

Besides they could use the extra arm in the pen. Through 13 games Heilman has appeared in 9, Marmol in 8, Guzman in 8, Cotts in 8, Gregg in 7. At this rate they will all appear in over 90 games and there arms will fall off in mid-September.

 

O

 

Calling Miles an Of'er is like calling Nick Swisher a pitcher.

 

Or like calling Aaron Miles a SS.

[dew1679666265]

What I don't understand is why DFA Vizcaino or any pitcher for that matter and not Gathright? He has been completely useless thus far, and that aside we have 7 outfielders on the roster today.

 

Sori

Bradley

Fuku

Reed

Hoff

Gathright

Miles

 

Besides they could use the extra arm in the pen. Through 13 games Heilman has appeared in 9, Marmol in 8, Guzman in 8, Cotts in 8, Gregg in 7. At this rate they will all appear in over 90 games and there arms will fall off in mid-September.

 

O

 

With Bradley essentially inactive, leaving only 3 bench players and a backup catcher on the roster (and one of the bench players being your only MI backup) that's really putting yourself at a disadvantage offensively.

 

Can Gathright be outrighted to AAA without being waived? If Jake Fox keeps tearing the cover off the ball, something will have to be done.

 

No. I believe he'd have to be DFA'd and if he cleared waivers would have the option of going to AAA or being released.

[dew1679666265]

What I don't understand is why DFA Vizcaino or any pitcher for that matter and not Gathright? He has been completely useless thus far, and that aside we have 7 outfielders on the roster today.

 

Sori

Bradley

Fuku

Reed

Hoff

Gathright

Miles

 

Besides they could use the extra arm in the pen. Through 13 games Heilman has appeared in 9, Marmol in 8, Guzman in 8, Cotts in 8, Gregg in 7. At this rate they will all appear in over 90 games and there arms will fall off in mid-September.

 

O

 

With Bradley essentially inactive, leaving only 3 bench players and a backup catcher on the roster (and one of the bench players being your only MI backup) that's really putting yourself at a disadvantage offensively.

 

How about DLing Bradley and calling up Shark? It gives us the extra arm (if you want it) and gives Hendry more time to shop one of the bullpen arms before making a decision.

[Banedon]

So now if/when Z, Harden or Marshall get hurt, the 6th starter is Randy Wells? Mitch Atkins?

 

Maybe Samardzija to the rotation, Hart to the bullpen...or whoever.

[abuck1220]

So now if/when Z, Harden or Marshall get hurt, the 6th starter is Randy Wells? Mitch Atkins?

 

Maybe Samardzija to the rotation, Hart to the bullpen...or whoever.

 

then they should have kept samardzija in AAA so he could start.

 

this whole thing is dumb because a) the cubs may need samardzija to become a starter at moment's notice, and if he's throwing 13 pitches every three days, that's not going to work and b) vizcaino wasn't doing anything wrong and the bullpen didn't need samardzija.

[Guest]

An embarrassing couple of days for Hendry and Lou.

[Jehrico]

Cut Gathwright, and you only have 1 guy you feel comfortable going to in the middle of the game, for any purpose.

Keep gathright and you only have 1 guy you feel comfortable going to in the middle of the game, for any purpose when Bradley is out.

[dew1679666265]

Cut Gathwright, and you only have 1 guy you feel comfortable going to in the middle of the game, for any purpose.

Keep gathright and you only have 1 guy you feel comfortable going to in the middle of the game, for any purpose when Bradley is out.

 

I feel comfortable with Gathright playing defense and running the bases.

[TruffleShuffle]

this is really stupid.

 

Meh. The games in April are just as important as the games in September.

 

My guess is that St. Louis will ultimately be the Cubs biggest challenge in the Central, so strengthening our bullpen prior to a series against our most likely challenger isn't "really stupid."

 

it's probably not strengthening. samardzija isn't as good as you think he is, and vizcaino actually has value in his ability to get RH batters out.

 

plus when harden and zambrano get hurt, who is going to start? not gaudin, apparently not samardzija... j.r. mathes maybe? terrific.

[Wrigley Rat]

Bob Brenly said during today's game that Luis Vizcaino had "tardiness issues" in addition to his stuff being essentially worthless and that he was getting guys out "with smoke and mirrors."

 

I have no problem with the Cubs' decision to DFA Vizcaino. Calling up Samardzija was probably a promise they made to him to keep him from whining from the demotion. I would have prefered a call-up of Jason Waddell, the Cubs have 40-man roster spots available, and a need for a lefty, but...

 

With Samardzija's poor outing today, I'm not sure he was as ready as the Cubs had hoped.

[Guest]

They have team fines and single game suspensions and whatnot to correct tardiness.

 

Smoke and mirrors and getting outs beats electric stuff that constantly gives up runs.

 

I do understand the concept of "if it looks like poo, and it feels like poo and it smells like poo, it's probably poo". However, it's not even 3 weeks into the season. He had the potential to build up trade value, if absolutely nothing else. He had the potential to hold down a spot to allow Shark to try to be a starter again.

 

This decision is way too premature and really not in the best interest of the team at this juncture.

[Derwood]

Chad Gaudin-R- Padres Apr. 24 - 4:46 am et

 

 

Chad Gaudin struck out seven in five scoreless innings for Triple-A Portland on Thursday.

He allowed just two hits and walked none. Gaudin, who was released by the Cubs at the end of the spring, opted to sign with the Padres because he'd have a chance to start, and it looks like he may be in the team's rotation before long with the way he's progressing. He hasn't given up a run in two starts for Portland.

 

Salt in the wound.