Cub prospects in the news

[imb]

seems like every time we were in on a big FA and lost, they went to a better team. gee i wonder if our shitty record had anything to do with sanchez going to a world series contender, darvish picking texas, etc. if they can't/wont overpay these guys it's just not going to happen until the big league team has some positive momentum

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well you just labeled a team in the top three quarters "one of the worst"

 

Correct.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

seems like every time we were in on a big FA and lost, they went to a better team. gee i wonder if our [expletive] record had anything to do with sanchez going to a world series contender, darvish picking texas, etc. if they can't/wont overpay these guys it's just not going to happen until the big league team has some positive momentum

 

You're right in general, but Darvish didn't pick Texas.

[imb]

seems like every time we were in on a big FA and lost, they went to a better team. gee i wonder if our [expletive] record had anything to do with sanchez going to a world series contender, darvish picking texas, etc. if they can't/wont overpay these guys it's just not going to happen until the big league team has some positive momentum

 

You're right in general, but Darvish didn't pick Texas.

 

i always forget how that posting works.

[sneakypower]

^ called it

In retrospect, I'm not sure why I bothered.

i thought it had been implied that we should use some level of intellectual honesty in this exercise

 

i defy you to find one solitary reputable opinion/source who thought at the time Puig was the better bet than Soler; so, in this alternate utopia, this becomes a what-if of the FO making every correct move (fine, whatever) and also a few of the wrong moves which somehow worked out wonderfully anyway? i don't understand the point, unless the argument is that there was indeed an infinitesimal chance of being serious contenders by now/next year had we used the correct dozen-acquisition permutation

[imb]

im sure anibal sanchez/liriano/etc are just really sad that they missed out on the chance to be a part of a team so bad that its fans are actively rooting for losses at this point so they can add another prospect.

[XZero771679666304]

seems like every time we were in on a big FA and lost, they went to a better team. gee i wonder if our [expletive] record had anything to do with sanchez going to a world series contender, darvish picking texas, etc. if they can't/wont overpay these guys it's just not going to happen until the big league team has some positive momentum

 

Darvish didn't a lot of choice in the matter, but your point stands. And for all we know, the additional $10M in Tim's scenario might not have been available to the FO.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

Well you just labeled a team in the top three quarters "one of the worst"

 

Correct.

Now go compare the rate to football...

[davell]

There's obviously going to be the "perfect offseason" that can help a team into the playoffs. That said, its not like any single team got all of those players. They were spread around throughout the league. But it IS the approach the FO is taking. They ARE trying to spend what little money they're veing given intelligently. To ask them to bat 1.000 is what we're doing here. They're good, but not THAT good. No one is.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i defy you to find one solitary reputable opinion/source who thought at the time Puig was the better bet than Soler

 

The Dodgers

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well you just labeled a team in the top three quarters "one of the worst"

 

Correct.

Now go compare the rate to football...

 

Why?

[sneakypower]

Liriano's pitching on a deal which guarantees him only $1M, i'm sure he's still experiencing some regrets

 

he was a miss, and i don't have an issue with anybody stating that; the Puig/Soler hindsight's really [expletive] dumb though

[Guest]

Seriously I'd love to hear the list of free agents the last two years that would have radically improved this team.

Again, this is what I responded to with my post.

[XZero771679666304]

i defy you to find one solitary reputable opinion/source who thought at the time Puig was the better bet than Soler

 

The Dodgers

 

I don't think you can infer that from the simple fact that the Dodgers signed him.

 

And this treatment of the Puig situation (by some) as being one where the Cubs goofed by missing on some clear cut stud is bordering on the ridiculous.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i defy you to find one solitary reputable opinion/source who thought at the time Puig was the better bet than Soler

 

The Dodgers

 

I don't think you can infer that from the simple fact that the Dodgers signed him.

 

And this treatment of the Puig situation (by some) as being one where the Cubs goofed by missing on some clear cut stud is bordering on the ridiculous.

 

The Dodgers paid a crapton more money for Puig than they presumably bid for Soler. I think it's pretty easy to infer.

 

It doesn't matter whether it was 'clear-cut' or not. It's their job to find these things.

[davell]

i defy you to find one solitary reputable opinion/source who thought at the time Puig was the better bet than Soler

 

The Dodgers

The Dodgers got many more looks at Puig than anyone else did as well. I've got a buddy who's friends with Logan White. I can't remember the story now, but I'll ask him later today what the deal was again. It reminded me of us lucking into seeing Trey McNutt though, once everyone else had given up on the area.

[Guest]

i defy you to find one solitary reputable opinion/source who thought at the time Puig was the better bet than Soler

 

The Dodgers

 

I don't think you can infer that from the simple fact that the Dodgers signed him.

 

And this treatment of the Puig situation (by some) as being one where the Cubs goofed by missing on some clear cut stud is bordering on the ridiculous.

I hope you realize I'm not doing that.

 

CT's challenge was:

Seriously I'd love to hear the list of free agents the last two years that would have radically improved this team.

 

I created a list of them. I then shortened it and pointed out that investments we made in other players could have been swapped to guys on the list I created with very little payroll impact. Not once did I say the front office should have been prescient enough to sign Puig instead of Soler - just that it would have answered CT's challenge.

[davell]

Soler had alrwady agreed to our deal prior to the Dodgers new ownership had taken over. Honestly, thats why I think we got him.

[XZero771679666304]

i defy you to find one solitary reputable opinion/source who thought at the time Puig was the better bet than Soler

 

The Dodgers

 

I don't think you can infer that from the simple fact that the Dodgers signed him.

 

And this treatment of the Puig situation (by some) as being one where the Cubs goofed by missing on some clear cut stud is bordering on the ridiculous.

 

The Dodgers paid a crapton more money for Puig than they presumably bid for Soler. I think it's pretty easy to infer.

 

It doesn't matter whether it was 'clear-cut' or not. It's their job to find these things.

 

Well, they're one of 29 other teams who apparently didn't think as much of Puig. I can live with that.

[XZero771679666304]

Soler had alrwady agreed to our deal prior to the Dodgers new ownership had taken over. Honestly, thats why I think we got him.

 

Which is why I said what I did.

[Cubswin11]

Didn't the Cubs offer more for Puid than the Dodgers?

 

Puig*

Edited August 15, 2013 by Cubswin11

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well, they're one of 29 other teams who apparently didn't think as much of Puig. I can live with that.

 

29 other teams thought less of Soler than we did. Do you regret that?

[illiniguy]

i defy you to find one solitary reputable opinion/source who thought at the time Puig was the better bet than Soler

 

The Dodgers

 

I don't think you can infer that from the simple fact that the Dodgers signed him.

 

And this treatment of the Puig situation (by some) as being one where the Cubs goofed by missing on some clear cut stud is bordering on the ridiculous.

 

The Dodgers paid a crapton more money for Puig than they presumably bid for Soler. I think it's pretty easy to infer.

 

It doesn't matter whether it was 'clear-cut' or not. It's their job to find these things.

Different owner and Puig was the last guy on the market. They couldn't afford to miss out and get the next one like they could with Jorge.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Didn't the Cubs offer more for Puid than the Dodgers?

 

That was reported once somewhere, but I don't know if it's actually true or not.

[Guest]

Liriano's pitching on a deal which guarantees him only $1M, i'm sure he's still experiencing some regrets

 

he was a miss, and i don't have an issue with anybody stating that; the Puig/Soler hindsight's really [expletive] dumb though

I'm pretty sure you're having difficulty comprehending the nature of the particular exercise we're going through here.