Cubs to retire no. 31

[Post Count Padder]

I'm cool with it.

 

Also, I'm waiting for the retirement of jersey no. 17.

[cubbinalltheway]

just for fun, i spent the last 10 minutes or so looking at some numbers (fortunately different ones than ccp just posted)

 

during their time as a cub....

 

fergie: 3.43 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 6.86 K/9

maddux: 3.60 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 5.82 K/9

 

so fergie was slightly better as a cub than greg was. but when you actually look at the numbers rather than using your own preconceived notions, you see that suggesting that maddux shouldn't even be in the discussion (like several people in this thread have done) is pretty ignorant.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm cool with it.

 

Also, I'm waiting for the retirement of jersey no. 17.

 

I might stop being a Cub fan that day.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'm cool with it.

 

Also, I'm waiting for the retirement of jersey no. 17.

 

I might stop being a Cub fan that day.

Why, Fotenot is awesome dude.

[SweetZombieJesus]

133 wins as a cub, played roughly 40% of his career as a cub, won a cy young as a cub.

 

and a inner circle hall of famer (Granted his peak wasn't with the cubs)

 

I see no reason not to honor him with fergie.

Edited March 18, 2009 by SweetZombieJesus

[SweetZombieJesus]

I'm cool with it.

 

Also, I'm waiting for the retirement of jersey no. 17.

 

Hopefully, you'll be waiting a long time.

[WrigleyField 22]

I wonder, will they have a joint ceremony or will each player get his separate day?

[Guest]

just for fun, i spent the last 10 minutes or so looking at some numbers (fortunately different ones than ccp just posted)

 

during their time as a cub....

 

fergie: 3.43 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 6.86 K/9

maddux: 3.60 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 5.82 K/9

 

so fergie was slightly better as a cub than greg was. but when you actually look at the numbers rather than using your own preconceived notions, you see that suggesting that maddux shouldn't even be in the discussion (like several people in this thread have done) is pretty ignorant.

 

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced.

 

I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number.

[Yeti]

just for fun, i spent the last 10 minutes or so looking at some numbers (fortunately different ones than ccp just posted)

 

during their time as a cub....

 

fergie: 3.43 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 6.86 K/9

maddux: 3.60 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 5.82 K/9

 

so fergie was slightly better as a cub than greg was. but when you actually look at the numbers rather than using your own preconceived notions, you see that suggesting that maddux shouldn't even be in the discussion (like several people in this thread have done) is pretty ignorant.

 

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced.

 

I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number.

ive met you, like you as a person as well as your family i met(wife) but i have to respectfully disagreee

[cubbinalltheway]

just for fun, i spent the last 10 minutes or so looking at some numbers (fortunately different ones than ccp just posted)

 

during their time as a cub....

 

fergie: 3.43 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 6.86 K/9

maddux: 3.60 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 5.82 K/9

 

so fergie was slightly better as a cub than greg was. but when you actually look at the numbers rather than using your own preconceived notions, you see that suggesting that maddux shouldn't even be in the discussion (like several people in this thread have done) is pretty ignorant.

 

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced.

 

I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number.

ive met you, like you as a person as well as your family i met(wife) but i have to respectfully disagreee

i havent met you, but i'm curious why you disagree. their numbers are very, very similar. and as bbb pointed out, fergie pitched in a better era for pitchers. considering that, you could argue that maddux was actually better than fergie. i'm not prepared to do so one way or the other, but i'm sure an argument could be made either way. that said, why do you take issue with two very, very similar players each being given the same honor?

[Yeti]

just for fun, i spent the last 10 minutes or so looking at some numbers (fortunately different ones than ccp just posted)

 

during their time as a cub....

 

fergie: 3.43 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 6.86 K/9

maddux: 3.60 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 5.82 K/9

 

so fergie was slightly better as a cub than greg was. but when you actually look at the numbers rather than using your own preconceived notions, you see that suggesting that maddux shouldn't even be in the discussion (like several people in this thread have done) is pretty ignorant.

 

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced.

 

I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number.

ive met you, like you as a person as well as your family i met(wife) but i have to respectfully disagreee

i havent met you, but i'm curious why you disagree. their numbers are very, very similar. and as bbb pointed out, fergie pitched in a better era for pitchers. considering that, you could argue that maddux was actually better than fergie. i'm not prepared to do so one way or the other, but i'm sure an argument could be made either way. that said, why do you take issue with two very, very similar players each being given the same honor?

something about maddux leaving the cubs for more money, right when we really needed him, to go have a sick career with another team b4 coming back to us when he was on the downs

[jersey cubs fan]

something about maddux leaving the cubs for more money, right when we really needed him, to go have a sick career with another team b4 coming back to us when he was on the downs

 

I always look at it more as Larry Himes letting him go than him leaving. I think Maddux was willing to stay, but Himes screwed it up. Hey, Fergie spent much of his career away from the Cubs.

[Yeti]

something about maddux leaving the cubs for more money, right when we really needed him, to go have a sick career with another team b4 coming back to us when he was on the downs

 

I always look at it more as Larry Himes letting him go than him leaving. I think Maddux was willing to stay, but Himes screwed it up. Hey, Fergie spent much of his career away from the Cubs.

meh, not married to this argument....come back to the drug discussion lol

[jersey cubs fan]

something about maddux leaving the cubs for more money, right when we really needed him, to go have a sick career with another team b4 coming back to us when he was on the downs

 

I always look at it more as Larry Himes letting him go than him leaving. I think Maddux was willing to stay, but Himes screwed it up. Hey, Fergie spent much of his career away from the Cubs.

meh, not married to this argument....come back to the drug discussion lol

 

Hey, I'm not either, I don't even care about things like retired numbers.

[Guest]

just for fun, i spent the last 10 minutes or so looking at some numbers (fortunately different ones than ccp just posted)

 

during their time as a cub....

 

fergie: 3.43 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 6.86 K/9

maddux: 3.60 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 5.82 K/9

 

so fergie was slightly better as a cub than greg was. but when you actually look at the numbers rather than using your own preconceived notions, you see that suggesting that maddux shouldn't even be in the discussion (like several people in this thread have done) is pretty ignorant.

 

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced.

 

I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number.

ive met you, like you as a person as well as your family i met(wife) but i have to respectfully disagreee

 

I'm fine with your disagreement, but I sit more on the side of the fence that Goony does regarding Maddux leaving. Either Himes or Cub ownership dropped the ball. He should have been signed to a long term deal before he ever became a free agent, let alone playing games with him after he became one.

[NewUserName]

If Maddux would have left the Cubs and his career would have gone in the tank, would he be considered for jersey retirement? It seems to me that they are just retiring his number for these reasons.

 

a. they were going to retire the number anyway for another player

b. he had a Hall of Fame career, though a majority of it for another team

 

Also, lets not forget, its not like Larry Himes didnt make a competitive offer to Maddux. Maddux and Boras were just as responsible for him leaving Chicago as Himes was.

 

edit: of course I do wonder how we are retiring numbers for any player who wasnt a large part of winning a Championship. Yes, I understand that means there would be no numbers retired.

[Andy]

If they are going to retire that number, it had best be for Jenkins, and not for 2 seasons of good young Greg Maddux, and 2 seasons of bad, old, overrated Maddux.

Yeah, retiring this number for Maddux is absolutely stupid.

[Yeti]

just for fun, i spent the last 10 minutes or so looking at some numbers (fortunately different ones than ccp just posted)

 

during their time as a cub....

 

fergie: 3.43 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 6.86 K/9

maddux: 3.60 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 5.82 K/9

 

so fergie was slightly better as a cub than greg was. but when you actually look at the numbers rather than using your own preconceived notions, you see that suggesting that maddux shouldn't even be in the discussion (like several people in this thread have done) is pretty ignorant.

 

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced.

 

I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number.

ive met you, like you as a person as well as your family i met(wife) but i have to respectfully disagreee

 

I'm fine with your disagreement, but I sit more on the side of the fence that Goony does regarding Maddux leaving. Either Himes or Cub ownership dropped the ball. He should have been signed to a long term deal before he ever became a free agent, let alone playing games with him after he became one.

and i cant disagree with you here, im just still a little bitter

[cubswin2009]

Sweet. No. 21 should be next.

 

uh, #8 and this isn't even close.

Michael Barrett wasn't that good dude...

[jersey cubs fan]

edit: of course I do wonder how we are retiring numbers for any player who wasnt a large part of winning a Championship. Yes, I understand that means there would be no numbers retired.

 

Marketing gimmick.

[mhuber92211]

Retiring numbers is a sign of respect for the player and a symbol that the organization respects what that player did. By some logic here, the Cubs should not have retired Jackie Robinson's number.

 

Regardless of the years that Maddux Played elsewhere, the Cubs produced the best Pitcher to play in the last 20 years. That alone is enough to retire his jersey.

[Tarver]

Retiring numbers is a sign of respect for the player and a symbol that the organization respects what that player did. By some logic here, the Cubs should not have retired Jackie Robinson's number.

 

Regardless of the years that Maddux Played elsewhere, the Cubs produced the best Pitcher to play in the last 20 years. That alone is enough to retire his jersey.

 

So Detroit should retire Smoltz's number?

[Roast]

Retiring numbers is a sign of respect for the player and a symbol that the organization respects what that player did. By some logic here, the Cubs should not have retired Jackie Robinson's number.

 

Regardless of the years that Maddux Played elsewhere, the Cubs produced the best Pitcher to play in the last 20 years. That alone is enough to retire his jersey.

The cubs didn't retire jackie robinson's number. MLB did. Those are two COMPLETELY different sets of circumstances.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Retiring numbers is a sign of respect for the player and a symbol that the organization respects what that player did. By some logic here, the Cubs should not have retired Jackie Robinson's number.

 

Regardless of the years that Maddux Played elsewhere, the Cubs produced the best Pitcher to play in the last 20 years. That alone is enough to retire his jersey.

 

By that logic, the Cubs should retire Lou Brock's number and the Phillies should retire Sandberg's.

[SouthSideRyan]

Retiring numbers is a sign of respect for the player and a symbol that the organization respects what that player did. By some logic here, the Cubs should not have retired Jackie Robinson's number.

 

Regardless of the years that Maddux Played elsewhere, the Cubs produced the best Pitcher to play in the last 20 years. That alone is enough to retire his jersey.

 

So Detroit should retire Smoltz's number?

 

No, they should retire Glavine's.

 

Snark aside, you don't see the difference between Maddux's Cub career and Smoltz's Tiger career?

 

Or their careers as a whole?