The Marlins future

[Paladin Cecil]

With the amount of unemployment that's been increasing, and with how much it would cost to build a new ballpark for the Marlins, do you think the Marlins will be staying in Miami?

And do you think the Marlins should stay in Miami or should they re-locate?

 

In my opinion, it's a tough decision because even though not using money to build the Marlins a new ballpark would help people with employment and no one attends Marlins games, it would be very difficult for the few people who are fans and re-location is something the Marlins franchise doesn't deserve. The real reason for the poor attendance the Marlins have is because it's difficult to be a fan for a team that always has to trade away good players because of financial problems. And before the '98 season, the Marlins did have good attendance. If the Marlins could get a new ballpark, I think it would help the team a lot and I think it would make people more likely to attend games.

[NCCubFan]

We know that the Marlins will stay in Miami, but for some reason will switch to the AL. After all, the Cubs can't beat an NL team to win thre 2015 World Series. :D

[javy knows my name]

Jesus I just made a long post about this and it got erased. Cliffnotes: Jeff Loria is a jerk and while the franchise doesn't deserve it, he hasn't given them much choice but to move

[Guest]

MIami is, was, and will always be, a Yankee/Met town. They don't deserve a team and Loria doesn't deserve to own a team.

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm not sure if miami deserves any pro sports teams, that's just a terrible sports city. people don't give a crap.

[SouthSideRyan]

MIami is, was, and will always be, a Yankee/Met town. They don't deserve a team and Loria doesn't deserve to own a team.

 

Loria doesn't deserve to breathe.

[OleMissCub]

The only evidence one ever needs in the debate about the Marlins:

 

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08Y0bQq8N6bTu/610x.jpg

[bhogg]

Is that game 1 or game 2 of the '03 WS?

[laurens]

that is one fugly stadium.

[17 Seconds]

I think the weather affects ticket sales a lot more than people talk about. I've been to many games as Dolphin Staidum and it's completely miserable...even at night. You're sweating before the game even starts and by the 7th inning everyone around you smells. In the daytime it's pretty much unbearable. I live in Tampa so the Marlins series is usually the only time I get to see the Cubs all year, but I still won't go to day games. It's not even remotely enjoyable.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, that stadium factor can't be understated. That place is Hell on Earth.

 

Aren't their local TV/radio ratings actually really good?

[Soul]

Yeah, that stadium factor can't be understated. That place is Hell on Earth.

 

Aren't their local TV/radio ratings actually really good?

 

I think the point is, that's the level of attendance they had during an actual game. I mean, they're playing baseball in that photo folks.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, that stadium factor can't be understated. That place is Hell on Earth.

 

Aren't their local TV/radio ratings actually really good?

 

I think the point is, that's the level of attendance they had during an actual game. I mean, they're playing baseball in that photo folks.

 

I know, I've been there. If the Cubs played in a brutal pit like that in the weather Florida typically gets in the location that stadium is in, it would be a rarity when I got out for a game.

 

It simply cannot be undersated how horrible that stadium is in every possible factor, from where it's located to simply being able to just sit there and not be miserable.

[manbearcub]

went to an orange bowl there. not a family friendly area either.

[fivepercent]

As bad as that stadium is, theyre trying to build a new stadium where the old orange bowl was. Talk about going from bad to worse...

[OleMissCub]

The Marlins still haven't figured out a certain fact that the Astros figured out 40 years ago.

[Guest]

Yeah, that stadium factor can't be understated. That place is Hell on Earth.

 

Aren't their local TV/radio ratings actually really good?

 

I think the point is, that's the level of attendance they had during an actual game. I mean, they're playing baseball in that photo folks.

 

I know, I've been there. If the Cubs played in a brutal pit like that in the weather Florida typically gets in the location that stadium is in, it would be a rarity when I got out for a game.

 

It simply cannot be undersated how horrible that stadium is in every possible factor, from where it's located to simply being able to just sit there and not be miserable.

Where they play isn't the problem. The Dolphins sell it out every week.

 

The stadium is extremely easy to get to from both Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. It isn't a baseball park, but there are plenty of great seats and it's a better place to watch a game than either Shea or Yankee Stadium.

 

The problem is Loria. In 2001 he didn't make media guides or programs until the second week of the season. He doesn't care about the fans. The one thing he has done well is let the baseball people do what they do.

[Guest]

As bad as that stadium is, theyre trying to build a new stadium where the old orange bowl was. Talk about going from bad to worse...

Exactly.

[OleMissCub]

Where they play isn't the problem. The Dolphins sell it out every week.

 

Well, for one, the Dolphins play in the Fall/Winter, not in Spring/Summer. Second, the Dolphins have 8 games there, whereas the Marlins have 81 games. Apples and Oranges. The fact that they play at Dolphin Stadium and not an indoor facility is what kills attendance, not lack of interest in the Marlins.

[CubbieBum]

What kills attendance is that they don't have fans willing to go to the stadium. I don't care if the stadium is bad if you have a fanbase they will attend the games still. It might take a few thousand away every game but not 20 thousand or more. They don't have a fanbase like all the other teams because Miami never embraced them and visa versa. Its not the weather either. Weather doesn't keep fans away and that has been proven over and over again in all sports. Loria is not a great owner by any means and surely doesn't deserve to have a team but the city just doesn't care for the Marlins and never will. They have won two world series and the fans still never showed up. The Rays had one good season and midway through the fans started showing up.

 

The only thing to do is relocate them to a city that will support the team. Las Vegas is the sexy location that could be a big success or huge flop, while Indy is the safe location that will sell well but is close to so many teams already. Either location is better than Miami.

[OleMissCub]

Weather doesn't keep fans away and that has been proven over and over again in all sports.

 

Perhaps you are right concerning somewhat rare events, like a football game or some playoff game, but when there is a consistent weather pattern that is extremely unpleasant, that will certainly keep people away. No one wants to pay that much money to go sit somewhere and sweat. The Cubs could play across the street and I likely wouldn't make my plans around going to a game if I knew that it was either going to rain or it was going to be so muggy that I'll be drenched in sweat at eight at night. And I certainly wouldn't buy season tickets if I knew that those were the options that were most likely going to present themselves on any given night.

[17 Seconds]

Weather doesn't keep fans away and that has been proven over and over again in all sports.

 

You're right. All the people I know in Miami who avoid games because of the weather must by lying. Glad that you could prove that.

[17 Seconds]

Where they play isn't the problem. The Dolphins sell it out every week.

 

Well, for one, the Dolphins play in the Fall/Winter, not in Spring/Summer. Second, the Dolphins have 8 games there, whereas the Marlins have 81 games. Apples and Oranges. The fact that they play at Dolphin Stadium and not an indoor facility is what kills attendance, not lack of interest in the Marlins.

 

Not to mention the Dolphins actually have a fanbase.

 

Inly true fans who care about the team are going to go sit in the miserable weather to watch the team play on any sort of regular basis whatsoever. These fans only account for a portion of ticket sales though. A big protion of ticket sales is people just going for the experience, and sweating your ass off is not an enjoyable experience.

[CubbieBum]

Weather doesn't keep fans away and that has been proven over and over again in all sports.

 

You're right. All the people I know in Miami who avoid games because of the weather must by lying. Glad that you could prove that.

 

keyword is fans

[OleMissCub]

Weather doesn't keep fans away and that has been proven over and over again in all sports.

 

You're right. All the people I know in Miami who avoid games because of the weather must by lying. Glad that you could prove that.

 

keyword is fans

 

As I said before, I'm not going to cross the street to watch the Cubs play if I know I'm going to be drenched in sweat by the third inning. If there were only a handful of games, then I would probably just suck it up because I'd know my opportunities to see my team live in person would be few, but if it were just 1 out of 81 games, then I'd probably just sit at home in my recliner, watch it on TV, and drink a beer that didn't cost me seven dollars.