Sources: A-Rod tested positive for steroids in '03

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Plus am I the only one that doesn't buy the "I only used from 2001-2003" stuff? It's kind of convenient that he gets to "do the right thing" and man up to the PED use to look like he's a good guy, yet he can still say he was clean during his entire Yankees career. Plus his main excuse for doing them in the first place was the pressure due to the big contract and going to a newplace. What team in sports brings more pressure than the New York Yankees? He was so afraid of Texas that the pressure got to him, but he decided to quit using right before going to the toughest city in sports?

 

it's impossibly to say about arod in particular, but i'd say it's very likely that there are a good number of players who quit taking steroids after the 2003 season. nobody wants to get busted.

 

True, I didn't take that into account. I'm not saying Arod is for sure lying though, just that it's hard for me to believe him. I give his 2001-2003 story like a 50/50 shot of being true.

[RynoRules]

If the vast majority of players "cheat", is it still cheating?

 

Yes

 

I dunno about that. Let's assume the vast majority (say more than 70%) of players used PED's in any given year. Isn't the point of cheating to gain an unfair advantage? Is the advantage unfair if everyone has access to the method and no one is punished for utilizing it?

 

Yes cheating is getting an unfair advantage. 30% of baseball players did not have that advantage. Your train of thought punishes some people - the people that played by the books for doing what was right and not taking advantage of a situation where the league and the player's union decided not to do anything. They are the real perpetrators here. They share about as much blame as the players who were on the juice.

 

I have never seen so many people defend illegal activity.

 

I'm hardly "defending" it.

 

What I am doing is asking how some activity can meet the definition of "cheating" if most everyone is engaging in it. Forget how some governing body defines cheating. I am asking the question in more of a broad sense.

[cubbinalltheway]

i'm confused here. so arod felt all this pressure when he got to texas, which is why he took roids. his words, right? by that logic, wouldn't he have taken roids in new york as well? i'm not sure i buy his story that he stopped in 2003.

[Derwood]

i'm confused here. so arod felt all this pressure when he got to texas, which is why he took roids. his words, right? by that logic, wouldn't he have taken roids in new york as well? i'm not sure i buy his story that he stopped in 2003.

 

because 2003 was when the MLB finally started giving stiff penalties for positive tests

[BigbadB]

After 2003 was when they started using the more undetectable stuff.

[Wilson A2000]

If the vast majority of players "cheat", is it still cheating?

 

Yes

 

I dunno about that. Let's assume the vast majority (say more than 70%) of players used PED's in any given year. Isn't the point of cheating to gain an unfair advantage? Is the advantage unfair if everyone has access to the method and no one is punished for utilizing it?

 

Yes cheating is getting an unfair advantage. 30% of baseball players did not have that advantage. Your train of thought punishes some people - the people that played by the books for doing what was right and not taking advantage of a situation where the league and the player's union decided not to do anything. They are the real perpetrators here. They share about as much blame as the players who were on the juice.

 

I have never seen so many people defend illegal activity.

 

I'm hardly "defending" it.

 

What I am doing is asking how some activity can meet the definition of "cheating" if most everyone is engaging in it. Forget how some governing body defines cheating. I am asking the question in more of a broad sense.

 

The problem is that the governing board is the only thing that matters in this case.

[erik316wttn]

If the vast majority of players "cheat", is it still cheating?

 

Yes

 

I dunno about that. Let's assume the vast majority (say more than 70%) of players used PED's in any given year. Isn't the point of cheating to gain an unfair advantage? Is the advantage unfair if everyone has access to the method and no one is punished for utilizing it?

 

Yes cheating is getting an unfair advantage. 30% of baseball players did not have that advantage. Your train of thought punishes some people - the people that played by the books for doing what was right and not taking advantage of a situation where the league and the player's union decided not to do anything. They are the real perpetrators here. They share about as much blame as the players who were on the juice.

 

I have never seen so many people defend illegal activity.

 

I'm hardly "defending" it.

 

What I am doing is asking how some activity can meet the definition of "cheating" if most everyone is engaging in it. Forget how some governing body defines cheating. I am asking the question in more of a broad sense.

 

If most of society engages in theft or robbery, is it still a crime?

 

The answer is yes.

[Derwood]

If most of society engages in theft or robbery, is it still a crime?

 

The answer is yes.

 

because committing a felony and cheating at a game are the same thing

[bcl412]

If most of society engages in theft or robbery, is it still a crime?

 

The answer is yes.

 

because committing a felony and cheating at a game are the same thing

 

If its cheating at a game that pays you millions of dollars for being successful, I can see how they are the same thing.

[Derwood]

If most of society engages in theft or robbery, is it still a crime?

 

The answer is yes.

 

because committing a felony and cheating at a game are the same thing

 

If its cheating at a game that pays you millions of dollars for being successful, I can see how they are the same thing.

 

who are they stealing from? the teams (who were pretty complicit in the steroid use)? the fans who were being entertained?

[wade]

If the vast majority of players "cheat", is it still cheating?

 

Yes

 

I dunno about that. Let's assume the vast majority (say more than 70%) of players used PED's in any given year. Isn't the point of cheating to gain an unfair advantage? Is the advantage unfair if everyone has access to the method and no one is punished for utilizing it?

 

Yes cheating is getting an unfair advantage. 30% of baseball players did not have that advantage. Your train of thought punishes some people - the people that played by the books for doing what was right and not taking advantage of a situation where the league and the player's union decided not to do anything. They are the real perpetrators here. They share about as much blame as the players who were on the juice.

 

I have never seen so many people defend illegal activity.

 

I'm hardly "defending" it.

 

What I am doing is asking how some activity can meet the definition of "cheating" if most everyone is engaging in it. Forget how some governing body defines cheating. I am asking the question in more of a broad sense.

 

If most of society engages in theft or robbery, is it still a crime?

 

The answer is yes.

 

My SOC professor wouldn't agree so quickly. I.E., a hypothetical world where thievery is the norm wouldn't likely punish those who are thieves.

[erik316wttn]

If most of society engages in theft or robbery, is it still a crime?

 

The answer is yes.

 

because committing a felony and cheating at a game are the same thing

 

I didn't say that.

 

The argument was "if everyone does it, is it still wrong?"

 

And if cheating makes you millions more, that's a form of theft, isn't it?

[imb]

If most of society engages in theft or robbery, is it still a crime?

 

The answer is yes.

 

because committing a felony and cheating at a game are the same thing

 

And if cheating makes you millions more, that's a form of theft, isn't it?

 

no

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

who are they stealing from? the teams (who were pretty complicit in the steroid use)? the fans who were being entertained?

 

The clean minor leaguers who didn't get jobs.

[Derwood]

 

who are they stealing from? the teams (who were pretty complicit in the steroid use)? the fans who were being entertained?

 

The clean minor leaguers who didn't get jobs.

 

like who?

 

also....."clean minor leaguers"....LOL

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

who are they stealing from? the teams (who were pretty complicit in the steroid use)? the fans who were being entertained?

 

The clean minor leaguers who didn't get jobs.

 

like who?

 

also....."clean minor leaguers"....LOL

 

We'll never know. But if there were any clean players, then there were fringe major leaguers juicing who took jobs from them.

[bcl412]

 

who are they stealing from? the teams (who were pretty complicit in the steroid use)? the fans who were being entertained?

 

The clean minor leaguers who didn't get jobs.

 

Or clean established Major Leaguers who didn't get a better contract because their numbers weren't as good as someone who had steroid inflated numbers.

[Derwood]

and so it begins....

 

Miguel Tejada was charged Tuesday with lying to Congressional investigators about the use of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball.

Tejada is accused of giving false statements to Congressional staffers about his conversations with another player, former A's teammate Adam Piatt, about steroids and human growth hormone. He is not accused of using the substance or lying about using the substance. Tejada faces a maximum penalty of a year in jail, but probation would be the most likely scenario in the event of a conviction.

[FergieJ31]

Nice op-ed piece by our old friend Doug Glanville:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/opinion/09glanville.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

 

The Rangers vs Longhorns story is awesome.

[ConstableRabbit]

Nice op-ed piece by our old friend Doug Glanville:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/opinion/09glanville.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

 

The Rangers vs Longhorns story is awesome.

Great article.

 

Any yes, I loved that. "Welcome to the big leagues"

[Wilson A2000]

 

who are they stealing from? the teams (who were pretty complicit in the steroid use)? the fans who were being entertained?

 

The clean minor leaguers who didn't get jobs.

 

Or clean established Major Leaguers who didn't get a better contract because their numbers weren't as good as someone who had steroid inflated numbers.

 

Exactly. They also stole from Roger Maris and Hank Aaron. They stole from the game of baseball itself.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

who are they stealing from? the teams (who were pretty complicit in the steroid use)? the fans who were being entertained?

 

The clean minor leaguers who didn't get jobs.

 

Or clean established Major Leaguers who didn't get a better contract because their numbers weren't as good as someone who had steroid inflated numbers.

 

Exactly. They also stole from Roger Maris and Hank Aaron. They stole from the game of baseball itself.

 

That one I can't agree with. Especially since we don't know for sure either of those guys were clean.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rob Neyer had this to say in his Tuesday Taters article.

 

Just a few links while I try to figure out why the same people who are shocked and saddened by steroids have given the players of the 1970s and '80s a Get Out of Jail Free card when it comes to the rampant use of amphetamines in that era. And I don't mean that rhetorically; I keep asking the question, and I'm still waiting for a reasonable answer. Anyhow, onward and upward

 

Link.

[CubinNY]

Nice op-ed piece by our old friend Doug Glanville:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/opinion/09glanville.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

 

The Rangers vs Longhorns story is awesome.

Great article.

 

Any yes, I loved that. "Welcome to the big leagues"

That was a good essay.

 

The ONLY reason A-Rod was outed by someone at MLB was destroy his reputation.

[The Voice of Reason]

Why would an owner want to sign a player with the promise he won't take PEDs? They want to purposely make bad signings to appease the McCarthys?

 

This fogeyism is ridiculous, all your heroes were cheaters too. I want to be the one to etch the asterisk on Aaron's plaque. I got dibs.

 

 

Good luck with that. Go for Maris while you're at it. Now those would be real "witch hunts." You can nit pick all you want but nothing in baseball history will compare to your tarnished heroes from the steroids era.

 

You sound like someone told you there is no Santa Claus.

 

maris was a good power hitter who suddenly had the best HR season in the history of baseball, but he went bald during that year and then got hurt a lot afterward and retired, never coming close to approaching that homer total.

 

fits the profile

 

Roger actually lost weight that year on his skinny frame with no increase in head size. He was protected in the lineup most of the year by a good Yankee lineup and saw a lot of fastballs down the middle and was the perfect hitter for Yankee Stadium's short porch.

 

How about comparing Aaron's career home run consistency with McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc? How about it Meph?

 

FYI, IMB your man Obama just said at his press conference that A-Roid and all the guilty players of the steroid era had "tarnished" baseball. I thought it was a great choice of words.

 

Now who could argue with someone as smart as Obama?

 

hank aaron hit 29 home runs in 160 games as a 34-year old, then hit 44 as a 35-year olda nd hit a career high 47 as a 37-year old. He had his best power years well past his prime. He hit 40 home runs as a 39-year old.

 

his profile fits that of a steroid user. The only reason he was able to break ruth's record was because he played longer than most players were able to, and we all already acknowledge that steroids prolonged bonds' career.

 

looks like aaron is dirty too

 

Not even close to the Bonds increase in home runs. Aaron never even hit 50. Time to move on and admit you are wrong.