2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[jersey cubs fan]

I assume rotoworld took that from the tribune article that hinted Angelo would be open to Burress.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-18-bears-expo-chicago,0,1726161.story

 

The receiver question was sure to surface as spirited diehards gathered for the annual Bears Expo. But before the festivities began, Angelo discussed a possibility he previously had dismissed: Plaxico Burress.

 

"As I said, we'll look at every option," Angelo said. "[His] situation is different because there are circumstances. We'll monitor it."

 

Cutler has reached out to Burress, and agent Drew Rosenhaus recently said at least two teams are seriously interested in signing the former New York Giant. The Jets are likely one of them.

 

"Are we one of those two teams? No," Angelo said.

 

"But obviously, they are things that have to happen now for him to play in the league, get on with his life. There are a lot of hurdles to cross before you can really seriously sit here and use that as a viable option."

 

"We are very comfortable with the receivers that we have," Angelo said.

 

I don't think any of that suggests he's really interested in signing Burress.

[rawaction]

Looks like the Bears have a decent shot at signing Pisa Tinoisamoa and Roderick Hood. This could go a long way to making the Bears defense close to as good as it once was.

 

Tinoisamoa is a really good LB and a big upgrade of HH and Roach. A resurgent year from Urlacher and the Bears again have the best LB corps in the league.

 

Hood was a starting CB for the SB Cardinals, and would be a great 3rd CB, who won't kill you if he starts. I do think if these 2 are signed, you could see Hillenmeyer and Vasher fighting for their Bears careers. Either that or Corey Graham could get a longer look at FS.

[tfarks]

Looks like the Bears have a decent shot at signing Pisa Tinoisamoa and Roderick Hood. This could go a long way to making the Bears defense close to as good as it once was.

 

Tinoisamoa is a really good LB and a big upgrade of HH and Roach. A resurgent year from Urlacher and the Bears again have the best LB corps in the league.

 

Hood was a starting CB for the SB Cardinals, and would be a great 3rd CB, who won't kill you if he starts. I do think if these 2 are signed, you could see Hillenmeyer and Vasher fighting for their Bears careers. Either that or Corey Graham could get a longer look at FS.

 

I didn't know this was going on, I had to just look it up. I've always liked Tinoisamoa, he would be a great signing and move over to strong side for us.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/pisa520.jpg

 

From http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/05/catching_on_bears_put_cutlers.html

[Soul]

That would be great.

[Soul]

Daily Herald on Cutler's first OTA practice with the Bears:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=294988

[WrigleyField 22]

Looks like the Bears have a decent shot at signing Pisa Tinoisamoa and Roderick Hood. This could go a long way to making the Bears defense close to as good as it once was.

 

Tinoisamoa is a really good LB and a big upgrade of HH and Roach. A resurgent year from Urlacher and the Bears again have the best LB corps in the league.

 

Hood was a starting CB for the SB Cardinals, and would be a great 3rd CB, who won't kill you if he starts. I do think if these 2 are signed, you could see Hillenmeyer and Vasher fighting for their Bears careers. Either that or Corey Graham could get a longer look at FS.

I'm pretty sure we'd actually lose money by cutting Vasher at this point in his contract, so I have a really hard time believing he'd have to fight for his spot. If you at least broke even I could see him having to compete but when the choice is pay $X to have him on the roster or $X+Y to cut him, I think he stays.

[jersey cubs fan]

Looks like the Bears have a decent shot at signing Pisa Tinoisamoa and Roderick Hood. This could go a long way to making the Bears defense close to as good as it once was.

 

Tinoisamoa is a really good LB and a big upgrade of HH and Roach. A resurgent year from Urlacher and the Bears again have the best LB corps in the league.

 

Hood was a starting CB for the SB Cardinals, and would be a great 3rd CB, who won't kill you if he starts. I do think if these 2 are signed, you could see Hillenmeyer and Vasher fighting for their Bears careers. Either that or Corey Graham could get a longer look at FS.

I'm pretty sure we'd actually lose money by cutting Vasher at this point in his contract, so I have a really hard time believing he'd have to fight for his spot. If you at least broke even I could see him having to compete but when the choice is pay $X to have him on the roster or $X+Y to cut him, I think he stays.

 

How would that work? They would likely lose more cap space this year, as they would have to take the bonus hit all at once instead of over the life of the contract, but I don't see how they would have to actually pay him more to cut him.

 

One of the articles this morning said Tinoisamoa was seen talking to Hillenmeyer, which is funny when you think Hunter would almost certainly be cut if they sign this guy.

[WrigleyField 22]

Well over the life of the contract they obviously save money, but I'm talking about the cap hit for this year. I'll have to double check the figures, but I thought I recall seeing that the cap hit was bigger to cut him than to just keep him because he is so short into his new deal.

 

On the other hand I suppose actual cash flows you would save money, so maybe it doesn't really matter as long as they stay under the cap.

 

Another consideration I guess is the June 1st date. Any cuts after June 1st split up the cap hit between this year and next right?

[jersey cubs fan]

Well over the life of the contract they obviously save money, but I'm talking about the cap hit for this year. I'll have to double check the figures, but I thought I recall seeing that the cap hit was bigger to cut him than to just keep him because he is so short into his new deal.

 

On the other hand I suppose actual cash flows you would save money, so maybe it doesn't really matter as long as they stay under the cap.

 

Another consideration I guess is the June 1st date. Any cuts after June 1st split up the cap hit between this year and next right?

 

Okay, well there is a very big difference between what you are saying here and what you said in the previous post. They wouldn't have to pay him more money to cut him or pay X+Y as you said. They would take a bigger cap hit. I do remember something happened a few years ago where they changed how the June 1 thing worked with caps.

 

The Bears were in pretty good cap situation before this offseason started. They actually saved more cap money by going from Orton to Cutler, and without any first round picks to pay, that's even better. They have signed a few guys who will take a good chunk away, but I'm pretty sure they have the space to bump Vasher if that's what they want to do.

[David]

Daily Herald on Cutler's first OTA practice with the Bears:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=294988

 

 

That's a much more glowing review than every other account I've heard of that practice. Apparently, there were lots of drops. Receivers are having trouble adjusting to the heat on Cutler's throws. Not that it matters much, it's the first day of OTAs. Still a ways to go.

[Banedon]

Daily Herald on Cutler's first OTA practice with the Bears:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=294988

 

 

That's a much more glowing review than every other account I've heard of that practice. Apparently, there were lots of drops. Receivers are having trouble adjusting to the heat on Cutler's throws. Not that it matters much, it's the first day of OTAs. Still a ways to go.

 

I read that too, which seems completely contradictory to the Daily Herald article saying only one ball hit the ground.

[David]

Daily Herald on Cutler's first OTA practice with the Bears:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=294988

 

 

That's a much more glowing review than every other account I've heard of that practice. Apparently, there were lots of drops. Receivers are having trouble adjusting to the heat on Cutler's throws. Not that it matters much, it's the first day of OTAs. Still a ways to go.

 

I read that too, which seems completely contradictory to the Daily Herald article saying only one ball hit the ground.

 

 

And the Daily Herald article is definitely wrong. There's footage of way more than one drop.

 

Maybe he wrote that after only watching a part of practice or something.

[David]

Some highlights from yesterday's practice...

 

http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1500&play_clip=Y&rn=3

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Well over the life of the contract they obviously save money, but I'm talking about the cap hit for this year. I'll have to double check the figures, but I thought I recall seeing that the cap hit was bigger to cut him than to just keep him because he is so short into his new deal.

 

On the other hand I suppose actual cash flows you would save money, so maybe it doesn't really matter as long as they stay under the cap.

 

Another consideration I guess is the June 1st date. Any cuts after June 1st split up the cap hit between this year and next right?

NFL contracts are really strange with all of the workout, roster, and all of the other types of bonuses and clauses that kick in at certain points. It wouldn't surprise me if it didn't hurt their cap number as much as you think.

[jersey cubs fan]

Daily Herald on Cutler's first OTA practice with the Bears:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=294988

 

 

That's a much more glowing review than every other account I've heard of that practice. Apparently, there were lots of drops. Receivers are having trouble adjusting to the heat on Cutler's throws. Not that it matters much, it's the first day of OTAs. Still a ways to go.

 

I read that too, which seems completely contradictory to the Daily Herald article saying only one ball hit the ground.

 

 

And the Daily Herald article is definitely wrong. There's footage of way more than one drop.

 

Maybe he wrote that after only watching a part of practice or something.

 

He wrote "of his first 40 or so passes" and said most were against air. I'm sure he was just talking about the beginning of practice.

[mul21]

Tinoisamoa is a pretty good player when he's on the field. Unfortunately, that only has happened about 50% of the time in the last several years if memory serves. They better keep somebody solid to back him up when he gets hurt or it will be a net negative for the D.

[Soul]

Tinoisamoa is a pretty good player when he's on the field. Unfortunately, that only has happened about 50% of the time in the last several years if memory serves. They better keep somebody solid to back him up when he gets hurt or it will be a net negative for the D.

 

Hillenmeyer is a net negative 100% of the time, IMO.

[David]

Tinoisamoa is a pretty good player when he's on the field. Unfortunately, that only has happened about 50% of the time in the last several years if memory serves. They better keep somebody solid to back him up when he gets hurt or it will be a net negative for the D.

 

 

Looks like he's played 16 games every year of his career except 06 and 07 when he missed 5 and 7 respectively. He played all 16 in 08, though.

[gflore34]

Daily Herald on Cutler's first OTA practice with the Bears:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=294988

 

 

That's a much more glowing review than every other account I've heard of that practice. Apparently, there were lots of drops. Receivers are having trouble adjusting to the heat on Cutler's throws. Not that it matters much, it's the first day of OTAs. Still a ways to go.

 

I read that too, which seems completely contradictory to the Daily Herald article saying only one ball hit the ground.

 

 

And the Daily Herald article is definitely wrong. There's footage of way more than one drop.

 

Maybe he wrote that after only watching a part of practice or something.

 

He wrote "of his first 40 or so passes" and said most were against air. I'm sure he was just talking about the beginning of practice.

 

You know it's still shocking that the Bears have the best QB in the NFC North along with one of the NFC's best.

[David]

Some highlights from yesterday's practice...

 

http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1500&play_clip=Y&rn=3

 

 

BTW, note the hilarious sound effect they added on every pass he throws. :-))

[David]

 

You know it's still shocking that the Bears have the best QB in the NFC North along with one of the NFC's best.

 

 

 

I'm thinking real hard, and I don't think, all factors considered, that there's a QB in the NFC, short of Drew Brees, that I'd rather have. In the AFC, sure, there's a few.

[Soul]

Some highlights from yesterday's practice...

 

http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1500&play_clip=Y&rn=3

 

 

BTW, note the hilarious sound effect they added on every pass he throws. :-))

 

It's the War Drums! You can't have a top QB without War Drums, come on now. 8-)

[dew1679666265]

 

You know it's still shocking that the Bears have the best QB in the NFC North along with one of the NFC's best.

 

 

 

I'm thinking real hard, and I don't think, all factors considered, that there's a QB in the NFC, short of Drew Brees, that I'd rather have. In the AFC, sure, there's a few.

 

Just for one year, or as a franchise QB?

 

If for just one year, I'd probably take Warner or McNabb over him (along with Brees). If as a franchise QB, he's second only to Brees in the NFC.

 

You're right, though, there are a number of QBs I'd take in the AFC (Peyton, Brady, Rivers, healthy Palmer).

[David]

Some highlights from yesterday's practice...

 

http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=1500&play_clip=Y&rn=3

 

 

BTW, note the hilarious sound effect they added on every pass he throws. :-))

 

It's the War Drums! You can't have a top QB without War Drums, come on now. 8-)

 

 

Actually, it was more that WOOOOSSHH sound on every pass like it's being shot out of a cannon. I just think it's hilarious how they added that and synced it up to every throw. :-))

[David]

 

You know it's still shocking that the Bears have the best QB in the NFC North along with one of the NFC's best.

 

 

 

I'm thinking real hard, and I don't think, all factors considered, that there's a QB in the NFC, short of Drew Brees, that I'd rather have. In the AFC, sure, there's a few.

 

Just for one year, or as a franchise QB?

 

If for just one year, I'd probably take Warner or McNabb over him (along with Brees). If as a franchise QB, he's second only to Brees in the NFC.

 

You're right, though, there are a number of QBs I'd take in the AFC (Peyton, Brady, Rivers, healthy Palmer).

 

Yea, I meant taking everything into account. Age, future, etc.

 

Even for just one year, though, I wouldn't take McNabb. And I'm pretty iffy on Warner's resurgence.