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Wow, his OPS+ was 68 last year. And that capped off a 3 year run of steadily dropping OPS+, from just below average to absolutely horrible.
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lol brewers.

 

I hope they get terrible again.

 

Yeah, WTF?

It's like they're actively trying to be bad.

 

It stared last year by actually paying Gange money and now this.

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lol brewers.

 

I hope they get terrible again.

 

Yeah, WTF?

It's like they're actively trying to be bad.

 

It stared last year by actually paying Gange money and now this.

 

yeah they were actively trying to be bad by acquiring a top 3 starter in the majors and improving from 07 -> 08.

 

this is a weird trade though.

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lol brewers.

 

I hope they get terrible again.

 

Yeah, WTF?

It's like they're actively trying to be bad.

 

It stared last year by actually paying Gange money and now this.

 

yeah they were actively trying to be bad by acquiring a top 3 starter in the majors and improving from 07 -> 08.

 

this is a weird trade though.

 

Well there was that, but they gave up good talent to get him for what ended up being about 2-3 months and they pretty much knew that going into it.

 

For the record though, I was joking. Clearly they tried to improve their team - this trade is just odd.

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This deal is not offical. And has hit a roadblock and may not be completed.

 

Melvin probably sobered up and realized what he was about to do. Cameron may not be a great contact hitter, but you don't trade him just for the sake of making a move and getting your perceived leadoff hitter (switch hitter + fast + centerfielder = leadoff hitter, apparently) without getting something else back in return. Cabrera would be a bad return for Bill Hall. For Cameron it's lunacy. It's a pure salary dump in an effort to clear a starting pitcher, IMO, and I'm terrified that it means Ollie Perez is coming to Milwaukee for like $15 million a year.

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This deal is not offical. And has hit a roadblock and may not be completed.

 

Melvin probably sobered up and realized what he was about to do. Cameron may not be a great contact hitter, but you don't trade him just for the sake of making a move and getting your perceived leadoff hitter (switch hitter + fast + centerfielder = leadoff hitter, apparently) without getting something else back in return. Cabrera would be a bad return for Bill Hall. For Cameron it's lunacy. It's a pure salary dump in an effort to clear a starting pitcher, IMO, and I'm terrified that it means Ollie Perez is coming to Milwaukee for like $15 million a year.

 

Gotta stay away from those yard tall drinks downtown. They put everclear in 'em.

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I don't think this trade is really that bad.

 

If I'm wrong, Cameron is a free agent after this year. So why not take a flier on a young infielder who needed a change of scenery?

 

And if Melvin thinks the Brewers aren't going to compete in '09 (I have no idea how he feels about this), then I say it's a decent trade. Not the best, but not as horrible as everyone here seems to think it.

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I don't think this trade is really that bad.

 

If I'm wrong, Cameron is a free agent after this year. So why not take a flier on a young infielder who needed a change of scenery?

 

Because Cabrera isn't good?

 

They'd be better off keeping Cameron and letting him walk next offseason.

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I don't think this trade is really that bad.

 

If I'm wrong, Cameron is a free agent after this year. So why not take a flier on a young infielder who needed a change of scenery?

 

Because Cabrera isn't good?

 

They'd be better off keeping Cameron and letting him walk next offseason.

 

Eh, I'd rather take a chance that Melky could maybe find his bat (not that he was ever great, but you never know) than sticking with Cameron, knowing either way, we were gonna win 75 games. Maybe getting out of New York will do him some good.

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I don't think this trade is really that bad.

 

If I'm wrong, Cameron is a free agent after this year. So why not take a flier on a young infielder who needed a change of scenery?

 

Because Cabrera isn't good?

 

They'd be better off keeping Cameron and letting him walk next offseason.

 

Eh, I'd rather take a chance that Melky could maybe find his bat (not that he was ever great, but you never know) than sticking with Cameron, knowing either way, we were gonna win 75 games. Maybe getting out of New York will do him some good.

 

I'd rather take the draft pick for Cameron than Melky. Seriously, he's not at all good.

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Rumors floating around down here are that if the Cabrera-Cameron deal doesn't go through the Yankees may be interested in Ankiel, possibly for Kennedy.
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Apologies for bumping a week-old topic, but the trade was officially ruled dead by Melvin on Wednesday. The latest rumors had the Yankees offering Cabrera and Kei Igawa for Cameron. Even if the Brewers were willing to take that steaming pile of crap in return, they were supposedly asking the Yankees to pick up the tab for at least part of Igawa's contract.

 

All I have to say is thank the Baby Jesus this didn't go through. You don't trade away a guy who you're getting good value from for Melky freaking Cabrera and Kei motherfreaking Igawa when said guy is a lock to at least be a Type B FA at the end of 2009. A lineup featuring Cabrera, Kendall, and Mike Lamb against RHP would have a black hole from the 6th spot on down. Cameron has his flaws, but at least you know what you're going to get from him offensively and you're getting great defense to cover up for Braun and Hart in the outfield.

 

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.

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You're right. Looking at his stats, I thought he slugged a lot higher than he does.

Cameron is a good example of why slugging percentage is not always the best way to gauge someone's power. His average is too low to make his SLG look respectable.

 

His IsoP is .198 for his career, which is well-above league average.

 

Think of it this way:

In terms of SLG:

Cameron last year: .477

League average last year: 417

Cameron is roughly 14% above the league average.

 

However, look at it in terms of IsoP:

Cameron last year: .234

League average last year: .152

Cameron is roughly 54% above the league average.

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