Time to Look Elsewhere?

[Backtobanks]

For all of the rumored names that we're trading for Peavy and HOF-bound Garrett Olsen, maybe Hendry ought to look at some other pitchers. The two rumors below would bring outstanding, young, cheap pitchers. I'm not comparing Greinke or Sanchez to Peavy, but taking into consideration their ages and contracts, they could have nearly the same impact. With the money saved, Hendry could sign Ibanez or re-sign Wood (assuming he wants to). If nothing else, leaking the fact Hendry is looking elsewhere might make Towers and MacPhail get off their rear ends and make something happen.

 

From Foxsports:

Royals Greinke to Texas?

Yes, I've also heard the Royals have no interest in moving right-hander Zack Greinke. But I also know the economy is making everybody think real hard about every big contract. The Royals have multiple holes to fill. The Rangers have lots of farm-talent depth. At one point, there was some thought the teams would be the best possible match - if Kansas City was willing to deal. It's worth checking back in with Dayton Moore. -- Dallas Morning News From MLBTR:

 

 

From MLBTR:

Brown also says the Giants have discussed trading Jonathan Sanchez to the Marlins for Jorge Cantu.

[cubsfan26]

I don't see us going after anybody else. I think Hendry see Peavy as a special player and will try to get him if he can. But otherwise I think there fine with going with a rotation of Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly and Marquis/Marshall.

[Rusch33]

Let's stay away from guys who have had psychological issues. We already have one of those guys.

[Backtobanks]

Let's stay away from guys who have had psychological issues. We already have one of those guys.

 

He seems to have moved past those issues. Take his numbers on a bad KC team in the AL (with DH) and translate those into a good team in the NL (without DH) and you might be talking about a great young pitcher.

[Rusch33]

Let's stay away from guys who have had psychological issues. We already have one of those guys.

 

He seems to have moved past those issues. Take his numbers on a bad KC team in the AL (with DH) and translate those into a good team in the NL (without DH) and you might be talking about a great young pitcher.

 

Rich Hill crumbled under the pressure here.

 

What's to say a guy with social anxiety disorder won't either?

[Cubswin11]

We have to remember that the only reason we are even in consideration to acquire a pitcher like Peavy is because he has a NTC and is only willing to go to a few teams, one of which is the Cubs, and now it is really only down to the Cubs. We aren't in position to acquire him because we have the talent to give up in return to get a pitcher of his caliber, hence the third team. In fact if Peavy had a partial NTC or no NTC at all Towers wouldn't even have given Hendry a call back when he inquired about him because at least half of the teams in MLB have better prospects to give up for him. So when there are two talented and cheap young pitchers like Grienke/Sanchez that don't have NTC's the Cubs ability to trade for them dramatically drops when any and every team in MLB can get an offer in, and when it comes to competing with the Marlins/Rangers for prospects to trade the Cubs aren't even in the ballpark in quantity/talent that the Marlins/Rangers systems have. Vitters is probably the only prospect the Cubs have right now that would be a top 10 in either organization and he probably wouldn't be in either's top 3.

[BigbadB]

In fact if Peavy had a partial NTC or no NTC at all Towers wouldn't even have given Hendry a call back when he inquired about him because at least half of the teams in MLB have better prospects to give up for him.

 

This is right on point. You don't just give up on a guy like Peavy. My personal feelings on this is that a deal is already in place for Peavy to go to the Cubs. The Padres are just waiting now for Hendry to:

 

A) Finish a deal with a 3rd team that will give San Diego a major league ready starter to complete the package

B) Move Marquis

 

I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if both of those events happen within minutes of each other.

[shnsajax]

We have zero chance to compete with anything the Rangers have for Grienke. They don't need to trade him but I think they would if they get blown away with an offer. That's something the Cubs can't do unless blackmail is involved.

[Clem Fandango]

What's to say a guy with social anxiety disorder won't either?

 

Paxil?

[Proven Veteran]

Sanchez is only a year younger than Peavy.

[Little Slide Rooter]

As of now, we really dont need another starting pitcher. If we can get Peavy, thats not the kind of opportunity that you pass up, but if not, move on, and focus on something else, namely a LH bat for the outfield.

 

Zambrano

Harden

Lilly

Dempster

Marshall/Marquis

 

is more than sufficient, and far superior to any other rotation in the division, and one of the best in the league.

 

Peavy

Zambrano

Harden

Lilly

Dempster

 

would be legen....wait for it...dary, but if not, theres really no use using our resources for a second tier pitcher, especially when our resources are limited, and we have bigger needs.

[Blue W]

I agree with most of the posters here. If it's no Peavy then we don't need to be looking at pitching other than another cheap arm in the pen. I won't be upset about not geting Peavy unless we then don't get a good bat in RF. He's great and you have to take a shot at him if you have the opportunity. But the Cubs are in the enviable position of not really needing him that badly.

[biittner77]

Did anyone really think that this trade would happen before the winter meetings? There's really no advantage to either side to make a deal before then. The Cubs are waiting for the price to come down. The Padres are hoping that another team jumps into the discussions.

 

The time to look elsewhere is after the winter meetings since if they can't get a deal done by then it's not likely to happen.

[davearm2]

Did anyone really think that this trade would happen before the winter meetings? There's really no advantage to either side to make a deal before then. The Cubs are waiting for the price to come down. The Padres are hoping that another team jumps into the discussions.

 

The time to look elsewhere is after the winter meetings since if they can't get a deal done by then it's not likely to happen.

I think this trade will happen just as soon as the sides can get the pieces to fit. There's no particular reason to believe that process couldn't have been finalized before next week. Obviously now it looks like it won't, but that doesn't mean it never had a chance. Other teams are completing deals, after all.

 

Both teams have other issues to tend to this offseason, so they absolutely have an incentive to wrap this thing up ASAP -- it obviously has large implications for the next several moves.

 

I also disagree that the Cubs are waiting for the price to come down, or that the Padres are hoping that another team jumps in. On the former, Hendry doesn't really put the squeeze to other GMs -- not his style. On the latter, I'm of the opinion that behind the scenes Peavy has made it clear to Towers that it's Cubs or nothing.

[sneakypower]

Let's stay away from guys who have had psychological issues. We already have one of those guys.

...we do?

[Jehrico]

Whether it's time to move on or not depends on the target. If Hendry gets a chance to upgrade the team significantly without giving up too much, he should jump on it. He shouldn't get impatient and not let the Peavy situation play itself out because of a marginal upgrade in RF like Abreu or something like that.

[Tyrant]

Let's stay away from guys who have had psychological issues. We already have one of those guys.

...we do?

 

I think Mark DeRosa has insomnia and Ronny Cedeno suffers from Asperger's Syndrome.

[sneakypower]

in that case my thoughts and prayers are with them both

[Jehrico]

Let's stay away from guys who have had psychological issues. We already have one of those guys.

...we do?

 

I think Mark DeRosa has insomnia and Ronny Cedeno suffers from Asperger's Syndrome.

I wouldn't mind seeing Greinke and Z on the same staff. Chances are they'd get in a fight at some point in the season, and we all remember what Zambrano did after the last time he punched out a teammate.

[St.Paul Cub]

As of now, we really dont need another starting pitcher. If we can get Peavy, thats not the kind of opportunity that you pass up, but if not, move on, and focus on something else, namely a LH bat for the outfield.

 

Zambrano

Harden

Lilly

Dempster

Marshall/Marquis

 

is more than sufficient, and far superior to any other rotation in the division, and one of the best in the league.

 

Peavy

Zambrano

Harden

Lilly

Dempster

 

would be legen....wait for it...dary, but if not, theres really no use using our resources for a second tier pitcher, especially when our resources are limited, and we have bigger needs.

 

100% agree.