Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Jehrico]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

Olney is only repeating what's been said since the offseason began. The Padres want their payroll to be cut down to 40m, if not lower. Giles and Peavy alone make up half of that at 20m. Giles has stated that he won't waive his NTC. That pretty much forces San Diego to trade Peavy. Towers' only job this offseason is to meet ownerships request. His job probably depends on doing exactly that.

 

Towers is probably playing the leverage game to the full extent that he can with Hendry, but Hendry isn't stupid.

One question that begs to be asked is why they picked up the option on Giles? They didn't have to do that, and considering that they're dealing Peavy in a lose-lose situation from a negotiation standpoint, it really seems like it was an incredibly stupid thing to do, unless they have a gentlemans agreement that Giles will allow them to trade him to at least a limited number of teams despite his NTC in exchange for picking up the option, which he may not have gotten as much money on the FA market had they declined it.

His buyout was for 3mil and his option was for 9mil. They probably felt that it's best to keep him when there's a difference of only 6mil.

I agree that Giles is worth at least 6 mil...but that still doesn't mean it's in the Pads best interest to dedicate 6 mil to that position, all things considered. If they really wanted him and he was also willing, they could sign Manny to a one year deal at $16 mil, which he'd be worth way more than that, but it'd still be a bad move on their part given their payroll challenges. Edited December 11, 2008 by Jehrico

[BigbadB]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

Olney is only repeating what's been said since the offseason began. The Padres want their payroll to be cut down to 40m, if not lower. Giles and Peavy alone make up half of that at 20m. Giles has stated that he won't waive his NTC. That pretty much forces San Diego to trade Peavy. Towers' only job this offseason is to meet ownerships request. His job probably depends on doing exactly that.

 

Towers is probably playing the leverage game to the full extent that he can with Hendry, but Hendry isn't stupid.

One question that begs to be asked is why they picked up the option on Giles? They didn't have to do that, and considering that they're dealing Peavy in a lose-lose situation from a negotiation standpoint, it really seems like it was an incredibly stupid thing to do, unless they have a gentlemans agreement that Giles will allow them to trade him to at least a limited number of teams despite his NTC in exchange for picking up the option, which he may not have gotten as much money on the FA market had they declined it.

 

This is the part I really don't understand. But, Towers and Alderson haven't exactly performed like geniuses in any of their dealings this offseason.

 

I honestly thought they would not offer to pick up Giles' option. They must have felt that he would be willing to be traded once the fire sale began. They thought wrong.

[javy knows my name]

Let's hope not. Peavy, Zambrano, Harden would get me just as excited as what Wood, Prior, Zambrano did.

Gets me more excited but Clement has the edge over Dempster for me

 

FWIW, Clement never had a season as good as Dempster's 2008. His 2002 might've been close. But I know what you're saying.

Yep I know. But Demp didn't have that season in our theoretical rotation, yo

[gerby23]

It may be an either/or situaution too. Hendry may be willing to give up Marshall or DeRo, but not both. That would take away our two most versatile players, IMO

[Roast]

So....This needs to be done. I have nothing to do today so, I actually probably can sit around and watch this unfold but it will likely drive me insane.

[David]

I thought Giles just refused the trades so he wouldn't lose his 10/5 rights before he got them... Now that he's got them, I thought I heard he's more open to being moved.

[David]

But then if he has a NTC, what does he need 10/5 rights for? Do they carry over into subsequent contracts in which he might not be able to otherwise get a NTC?

[JeffH]

But then if he has a NTC, what does he need 10/5 rights for? Do they carry over into subsequent contracts in which he might not be able to otherwise get a NTC?

 

No.

[YearofDaCubs]

I thought Giles just refused the trades so he wouldn't lose his 10/5 rights before he got them... Now that he's got them, I thought I heard he's more open to being moved.

He's from California so I think he just doesn't want to leave from there, especially when you consider he's at the end of his career.

[Cubswin11]

The Twins sound pretty interested in Dero I wonder what we get could from them?

 

LAS VEGAS - This might look familiar, but the Twins could leave the Major League Baseball winter meetings without meeting their main objectives. That was to find offensive help for the left side of their infield and fortify the bullpen.

 

But the Twins were far from inactive on Wednesday as they met with teams and agents.

 

They remain in contact with the Chicago Cubs about infielder Mark DeRosa. DeRosa, who will turn 34 in February, will make $5.5 million next season in the final year of his contract. He batted .285 last season with career highs of 21 homers and 87 RBI and could play either third base or second.

 

The Twins are still trying to get a feel for what the Cubs want from them for DeRosa. Chicago is looking for a left-handed hitting outfielder, but they also are trying to finalize a deal for Padres righthander Jake Peavy and might need to acquire a starting pitcher from the Twins to spin off to San Diego. But a separate Twins-Cubs deal for DeRosa appears to be much more of a possibility. Even a Cubs-Twins deal helps the Peavy situation because Chicago needs to shed some salary before adding the former Cy Young winner.

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/35941629.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

[BigbadB]

The strangest part of this whole trade debacle, IMO, is that they have wasted the entire winter meetings haggling over players. Several teams seem to be in a holding pattern on this, which isn't really fair to any of them. That also includes Peavy.

 

Hendry played this game last year with Roberts, and lost. Towers has a whole lost more work to do once this trade gets finalized (if it gets finalized). That team is an absolute mess. They need a 2b, a SS, a catcher and quite possibly a CF. If I had to guess, Towers will spin Marquis and a prospect to Colorado for Taveras and maybe even Barmes. I have no idea where they expect to get a SS on the cheap.

[Jehrico]

But then if he has a NTC, what does he need 10/5 rights for? Do they carry over into subsequent contracts in which he might not be able to otherwise get a NTC?

If that's true, then that's a good question. If he's relying on getting 10/5 before going somewhere, it doesn't make sense because he'd lose those 10/5 rights once he was moved, and he'd need a contractually awarded NTC (which he already has). Maybe there's another scenario that I'm not thinking of...

[DubCub]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

We hope and pray that he doesn't. But then again this is Hendry we are talking about!.

[BigbadB]

But then if he has a NTC, what does he need 10/5 rights for? Do they carry over into subsequent contracts in which he might not be able to otherwise get a NTC?

If that's true, then that's a good question. If he's relying on getting 10/5 before going somewhere, it doesn't make sense because he'd lose those 10/5 rights once he was moved, and he'd need a contractually awarded NTC (which he already has). Maybe there's another scenario that I'm not thinking of...

 

He just doesn't want to leave SD. But, if he were to be traded at this point, he could require a 1 or 2 year extension with NTC rights written in to the extension.

[JWCUB]

I don't understand why Hendry can't just trade for Peavy and trade Marquis later on in the offseason when all the big name pitchers are signed. It seems that would be the smartest thing to do. A team that misses out on the upper tier type pitcher would be more willing to take on more of Marquis salary.

[AZCub]

I don't understand why Hendry can't just trade for Peavy and trade Marquis later on in the offseason when all the big name pitchers are signed. It seems that would be the smartest thing to do. A team that misses out on the upper tier type pitcher would be more willing to take on more of Marquis salary.

 

$$$, that's why. With an uncertain ownership situation, if he doesn't find a taker for Marquis, we may not be able to sign a LH bat that we desire.

[daske17]

The Twins sound pretty interested in Dero I wonder what we get could from them?

 

LAS VEGAS - This might look familiar, but the Twins could leave the Major League Baseball winter meetings without meeting their main objectives. That was to find offensive help for the left side of their infield and fortify the bullpen.

 

But the Twins were far from inactive on Wednesday as they met with teams and agents.

 

They remain in contact with the Chicago Cubs about infielder Mark DeRosa. DeRosa, who will turn 34 in February, will make $5.5 million next season in the final year of his contract. He batted .285 last season with career highs of 21 homers and 87 RBI and could play either third base or second.

 

The Twins are still trying to get a feel for what the Cubs want from them for DeRosa. Chicago is looking for a left-handed hitting outfielder, but they also are trying to finalize a deal for Padres righthander Jake Peavy and might need to acquire a starting pitcher from the Twins to spin off to San Diego. But a separate Twins-Cubs deal for DeRosa appears to be much more of a possibility. Even a Cubs-Twins deal helps the Peavy situation because Chicago needs to shed some salary before adding the former Cy Young winner.

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/35941629.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

 

Lee (plus cash) + DeRo = Morneau :beg:

[davearm2]

I know, there was some report yesterday saying that Towers could wait until the deadline to trade Peavy to "develop a better market for him." Well guess what Towers that NTC isn't going anywhere and Peavy is still going to dictate where he goes. Teams that want to trade for him at the deadline aren't going to be as likely to give up major league talent for him as they will need those players to likely stay competitive, but if a deal is done now a team can still replace those players. It gets a little harder in the middle of the season to replace guys. Also this isn't like the CC situation where Peavy can be traded for half a season and then be a FA and sign anywhere, Peavy is going to have to play with that team for the next 4-5 years so he is going to have to like where he is going and not just the fact he could be on a competing team for half a season.

This is very well said. It's a lot easier to work around losing a key guy like DeRosa in December than it is in July.

 

In July what's available from a contender is almost exclusively prospects and nonessential ML parts.

[davearm2]

I don't understand why Hendry can't just trade for Peavy and trade Marquis later on in the offseason when all the big name pitchers are signed. It seems that would be the smartest thing to do. A team that misses out on the upper tier type pitcher would be more willing to take on more of Marquis salary.

Hendry doesn't want to put himself in such a disadvantaged position if he doesn't have to. And he's betting he doesn't have to.

 

His leverage in that scenario would be godawful, almost like it was when he had to move Sosa.

[Cubswin11]

Rule V just started, Padres picked SS from the Rockies. Pirates took Veal FWIW

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Rule V just started, Padres picked SS from the Rockies

 

Which one, Mayora?

[Jehrico]

I don't understand why Hendry can't just trade for Peavy and trade Marquis later on in the offseason when all the big name pitchers are signed. It seems that would be the smartest thing to do. A team that misses out on the upper tier type pitcher would be more willing to take on more of Marquis salary.

Who says he can't? He may be willing and able to do just that if he has to in order to do the deal, but it's probably not his most preferred course of action. Everyone is acting like Hendry should have made the deal days ago because they think time is running out. He probably has at least another week or so before Towers will really disengage. He may have all offseason for all we know. Hendry knows what kind of timeline he's working with. There's no reason for him to take a less favorable course of action if he's not pushing a deadline yet that would force his hand. He's got time and he's in the drivers seat. Does everyone here really want him to not keep plugging away at this and not see if he can get a better deal just solely for the purpose of ending the drama? If he did that, he wouldn't be doing his job.

[Cubswin11]

Rule V just started, Padres picked SS from the Rockies

 

Which one, Mayora?

No Everth Cabrera

[Jehrico]

The Twins sound pretty interested in Dero I wonder what we get could from them?

 

LAS VEGAS - This might look familiar, but the Twins could leave the Major League Baseball winter meetings without meeting their main objectives. That was to find offensive help for the left side of their infield and fortify the bullpen.

 

But the Twins were far from inactive on Wednesday as they met with teams and agents.

 

They remain in contact with the Chicago Cubs about infielder Mark DeRosa. DeRosa, who will turn 34 in February, will make $5.5 million next season in the final year of his contract. He batted .285 last season with career highs of 21 homers and 87 RBI and could play either third base or second.

 

The Twins are still trying to get a feel for what the Cubs want from them for DeRosa. Chicago is looking for a left-handed hitting outfielder, but they also are trying to finalize a deal for Padres righthander Jake Peavy and might need to acquire a starting pitcher from the Twins to spin off to San Diego. But a separate Twins-Cubs deal for DeRosa appears to be much more of a possibility. Even a Cubs-Twins deal helps the Peavy situation because Chicago needs to shed some salary before adding the former Cy Young winner.

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/35941629.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

 

Lee (plus cash) + DeRo = Morneau :beg:

I like that one.

[big_shooter17]

Who is this guy doing the announcing of the names for the rule v, his voice sounds kind of like John Malkovich.