Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[JeffH]

Is the Rule V at 10:30 CT?

And is there a way to follow it?

 

11 CT

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081211&content_id=3712768&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

 

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[javy knows my name]

I guess the jokes didn't improve overnight.

I only did that to see if someone would bite so I could make fun of them

[CarolinaCubFan]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

[C.C.]

I guess the jokes didn't improve overnight.

I only did that to see if someone would bite so I could make fun of them

 

It's not any funnier.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

It might've just been speculation, but I thought I heard that they'd be able to keep him til the deadline since they moved Greene, though they still have to trade him at some point this year.

[gerby23]

Is the Rule V at 10:30 CT?

And is there a way to follow it?

 

11 CT

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081211&content_id=3712768&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

 

You may be able to watch live, but you may need an MLB.TV subscription.

 

Is there anyone we are targeting? Probably has a little bearing considering the 4/5/6 for 1

[Cubswin11]

Is the Rule V at 10:30 CT?

And is there a way to follow it?

 

11 CT

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081211&content_id=3712768&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

 

You may be able to watch live, but you may need an MLB.TV subscription.

Thanks seems like there could be a few interesting guys in there, I wouldn't mind us taking a flier on either of these two guys for some bullpen help. Perdomo looks like he has some good stuff.

 

Luis Perdomo, RHP, Cardinals: The Carolina League All-Star was traded from the Indians to the Cardinals for Anthony Reyes in July. He had gone 3-1 with a 0.92 ERA and 18 saves for Class A Kinston before getting promoted to Double-A Akron and then being dealt to the Cardinals. Overall, he saved 20 games and had a 2.36 ERA over 72 1/3 innings. He struck out 82 and held hitters to a .190 batting average against.

 

Chris Mason, RHP, Rays: Mason struggled in Triple-A and the AFL in 2008, so those who decide to take a shot with the 2005 second-rounder will be doing so based on his 2007 season, when he went 15-4 with a 2.57 ERA and was named MLB.com's Double-A Starting Pitcher of the Year.

[BigbadB]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

Olney is only repeating what's been said since the offseason began. The Padres want their payroll to be cut down to 40m, if not lower. Giles and Peavy alone make up half of that at 20m. Giles has stated that he won't waive his NTC. That pretty much forces San Diego to trade Peavy. Towers' only job this offseason is to meet ownerships request. His job probably depends on doing exactly that.

 

Towers is probably playing the leverage game to the full extent that he can with Hendry, but Hendry isn't stupid.

[AZCub]

I highly doubt it's today or nothing.

 

Towers has a mandate from ownership to cut salary, he has been publicly shopping a player for nearly a month who I practically guarantee has no desire to be in San Diego now...

 

It's public posturing. He can't afford to take that stance. And I am fairly certain Hendry knows it and won't be pressured into anything because of it.

[BigbadB]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

It might've just been speculation, but I thought I heard that they'd be able to keep him til the deadline since they moved Greene, though they still have to trade him at some point this year.

 

Peavy has a full no trade clause. Moving him at the deadline would likely be much more difficult than moving him now. Peavy doesn't have to approve a trade to anyone. Towers would be doing himself a favor and taking what he can get for him now, rather than risking that he can't move him at all at the deadline.

[Banedon]

I highly doubt it's today or nothing.

 

Towers has a mandate from ownership to cut salary, he has been publicly shopping a player for nearly a month who I practically guarantee has no desire to be in San Diego now...

 

It's public posturing. He can't afford to take that stance. And I am fairly certain Hendry knows it and won't be pressured into anything because of it.

 

Agreed. I think Hendry calls his bluff too. Hendry doesn't need Peavy as much as Towers needs to get rid of him.

[CarolinaCubFan]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

Olney is only repeating what's been said since the offseason began. The Padres want their payroll to be cut down to 40m, if not lower. Giles and Peavy alone make up half of that at 20m. Giles has stated that he won't waive his NTC. That pretty much forces San Diego to trade Peavy. Towers' only job this offseason is to meet ownerships request. His job probably depends on doing exactly that.

 

Towers is probably playing the leverage game to the full extent that he can with Hendry, but Hendry isn't stupid.

 

Let's hope not. Peavy, Zambrano, Harden would get me just as excited as what Wood, Prior, Zambrano did.

[gerby23]

I highly doubt it's today or nothing.

 

Towers has a mandate from ownership to cut salary, he has been publicly shopping a player for nearly a month who I practically guarantee has no desire to be in San Diego now...

 

It's public posturing. He can't afford to take that stance. And I am fairly certain Hendry knows it and won't be pressured into anything because of it.

 

Agreed. I think Hendry calls his bluff too. Hendry doesn't need Peavy as much as Towers needs to get rid of him.

 

Bingo!

[Little Slide Rooter]

I highly doubt it's today or nothing.

 

Towers has a mandate from ownership to cut salary, he has been publicly shopping a player for nearly a month who I practically guarantee has no desire to be in San Diego now...

 

It's public posturing. He can't afford to take that stance. And I am fairly certain Hendry knows it and won't be pressured into anything because of it.

 

I still maintain that The Cubs arent the ONLY option. I know Peavy has a full NTC, and not only do they need to move him, but he probably doesnt want to be on such a sinking ship.

 

I bet that while the Cubs are Peavys top choice, Towers probably told him if hed waive his NTC, hed do everything in his power to send him to the Cubs, but if it doesnt work out, he'll need to make a deal with another team. Thats probably what the Thursday deadline was about. Id hate to see him end up with the Brewers, Astros, or Cards.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

It might've just been speculation, but I thought I heard that they'd be able to keep him til the deadline since they moved Greene, though they still have to trade him at some point this year.

 

Peavy has a full no trade clause. Moving him at the deadline would likely be much more difficult than moving him now. Peavy doesn't have to approve a trade to anyone. Towers would be doing himself a favor and taking what he can get for him now, rather than risking that he can't move him at all at the deadline.

 

I understand that, I was just talking from a financial standpoint.

[Cubswin11]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

It might've just been speculation, but I thought I heard that they'd be able to keep him til the deadline since they moved Greene, though they still have to trade him at some point this year.

 

Peavy has a full no trade clause. Moving him at the deadline would likely be much more difficult than moving him now. Peavy doesn't have to approve a trade to anyone. Towers would be doing himself a favor and taking what he can get for him now, rather than risking that he can't move him at all at the deadline.

I know, there was some report yesterday saying that Towers could wait until the deadline to trade Peavy to "develop a better market for him." Well guess what Towers that NTC isn't going anywhere and Peavy is still going to dictate where he goes. Teams that want to trade for him at the deadline aren't going to be as likely to give up major league talent for him as they will need those players to likely stay competitive, but if a deal is done now a team can still replace those players. It gets a little harder in the middle of the season to replace guys. Also this isn't like the CC situation where Peavy can be traded for half a season and then be a FA and sign anywhere, Peavy is going to have to play with that team for the next 4-5 years so he is going to have to like where he is going and not just the fact he could be on a competing team for half a season.

[BigbadB]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

It might've just been speculation, but I thought I heard that they'd be able to keep him til the deadline since they moved Greene, though they still have to trade him at some point this year.

 

Peavy has a full no trade clause. Moving him at the deadline would likely be much more difficult than moving him now. Peavy doesn't have to approve a trade to anyone. Towers would be doing himself a favor and taking what he can get for him now, rather than risking that he can't move him at all at the deadline.

 

I understand that, I was just talking from a financial standpoint.

 

If someone floated that rumor out there, it was probably Padres brass, with a lame attempt to gain some leverage. The Padres have very little leverage. In fact, their only leverage is they currently own the rights to Peavy. That's it.

[javy knows my name]

Let's hope not. Peavy, Zambrano, Harden would get me just as excited as what Wood, Prior, Zambrano did.

Gets me more excited but Clement has the edge over Dempster for me

[PrimeTime]

Do you guys think that it's mind games and " leverage " happening or it's just Hendry worried about giving up Marshall or whoever and doesnt want to pull the trigger on this?

[Jehrico]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

Olney is only repeating what's been said since the offseason began. The Padres want their payroll to be cut down to 40m, if not lower. Giles and Peavy alone make up half of that at 20m. Giles has stated that he won't waive his NTC. That pretty much forces San Diego to trade Peavy. Towers' only job this offseason is to meet ownerships request. His job probably depends on doing exactly that.

 

Towers is probably playing the leverage game to the full extent that he can with Hendry, but Hendry isn't stupid.

One question that begs to be asked is why they picked up the option on Giles? They didn't have to do that, and considering that they're dealing Peavy in a lose-lose situation from a negotiation standpoint, it really seems like it was an incredibly stupid thing to do, unless they have a gentlemans agreement that Giles will allow them to trade him to at least a limited number of teams despite his NTC in exchange for picking up the option, which he may not have gotten as much money on the FA market had they declined it.

[David]

Let's hope not. Peavy, Zambrano, Harden would get me just as excited as what Wood, Prior, Zambrano did.

Gets me more excited but Clement has the edge over Dempster for me

 

FWIW, Clement never had a season as good as Dempster's 2008. His 2002 might've been close. But I know what you're saying.

[BigbadB]

Do you guys think that it's mind games and " leverage " happening or it's just Hendry worried about giving up Marshall or whoever and doesnt want to pull the trigger on this?

 

Hendry's holding his ground, as he should. The Cubs are the only team Towers is talking to. The Cubs have back up plans in place should Towers play hardball. The Cubs don't NEED another SP. Their need is a LH RF.

 

Hendry is offering fair value for Peavy for helping Towers save his job.

 

Towers will have serious mud on his face with ownership if he wasted the entire GM meetings trying to work 1 single deal and he doesn't get it done.

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm not a big fan of Buster Olney, but this is what he said this morning. Towers has to trade Peavy, money constraints don't allow the Padres to keep him. The Only trade partner is the Cubs and Towers is trying to get everything he can.

 

I'm sure Hendry is trying not to give up anymore than he has to. Peavy seems to be a Cub, lets hope Jim doesn't mess this up.

 

Olney is only repeating what's been said since the offseason began. The Padres want their payroll to be cut down to 40m, if not lower. Giles and Peavy alone make up half of that at 20m. Giles has stated that he won't waive his NTC. That pretty much forces San Diego to trade Peavy. Towers' only job this offseason is to meet ownerships request. His job probably depends on doing exactly that.

 

Towers is probably playing the leverage game to the full extent that he can with Hendry, but Hendry isn't stupid.

One question that begs to be asked is why they picked up the option on Giles? They didn't have to do that, and considering that they're dealing Peavy in a lose-lose situation from a negotiation standpoint, it really seems like it was an incredibly stupid thing to do, unless they have a gentlemans agreement that Giles will allow them to trade him to at least a limited number of teams despite his NTC in exchange for picking up the option, which he may not have gotten as much money on the FA market had they declined it.

His buyout was for 3mil and his option was for 9mil. They probably felt that it's best to keep him when there's a difference of only 6mil.

[Jehrico]

Do you guys think that it's mind games and " leverage " happening or it's just Hendry worried about giving up Marshall or whoever and doesnt want to pull the trigger on this?

Both. I think Hendry wants Towers to think he's willing to walk away if he has to give up Marshall, and is playing the games because he wants Peavy without losing Sean. I think they expect Marquis to be a problem if they try to put him in the pen/6th starter role, which Peavy would essentially relegate Marquis to. So, the best answer is to unload Marquis instead of Marshall, who won't give them the same problems.

[big_shooter17]

Let's hope not. Peavy, Zambrano, Harden would get me just as excited as what Wood, Prior, Zambrano did.

Gets me more excited but Clement has the edge over Dempster for me

 

I would take Lilly over Estes or Maddux, though. I think that is a greater difference than Clement or Dempster, either way you go.