Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[17 Seconds]

yes, having peavy and bradley on the cubs for the next three years would surely hurt the team.

 

the only thing moving in this trade that would hurt is vitters, and he's no sure thing, and he's at least three years away, anyway.

 

Committing, say, $30 million of the 2011 payroll doesn't cause you to blink the slightest eye?

 

not when it's for an elite pitcher. seriously, that is cheap.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Signing Bradley to a 3/25 deal does not in any way mortgage the future. There's no real incumbent at the position he plays, and the years and dollars aren't prohibitive.

 

There's definitely trepidation for paying the money that Peavy's owed, but it's a necessity to add a player of his caliber. Four year deals might be suicide if you're dealing with Carlos Silva(or maybe Ryan Dempster, but that's a different topic and water under the bridge), but if you want the best talent it's the risk you have to take. Being overly fearful of getting burned on a contract for a player like Jake Peavy is how you end up like the Cardinals, filling half your rotation with recycled options every year and not being able to compete with those who go out and get real talent.

[BigbadB]

Bradley and Peavy? Isn't there a point when it's just wasteful and inefficient? Do you really need to try to win 110 games in the regular season?

 

The idea is to not get swept in the postseason. The more good talent you add, the more likely it is to win - though that's certainly not the only factor.

 

I'm mostly tongue-in-cheek on the "too much" thing, but the odds of any individual player being the difference in a five-game playoff series is almost nil.

 

Manny Ramirez says hi.

[cubswin2009]

Only 9 minutes until Chicago Tribune Live and a wild David Kaplan rumor to lead off the show. Edited December 9, 2008 by cubswin2009

[Rob]

Stop feeding the troll.

[imb]

yes, having peavy and bradley on the cubs for the next three years would surely hurt the team.

 

the only thing moving in this trade that would hurt is vitters, and he's no sure thing, and he's at least three years away, anyway.

 

Committing, say, $30 million of the 2011 payroll doesn't cause you to blink the slightest eye?

 

not if it's for a pair of talented players

[Mephistopheles]

cilffnotes update plz. preferably by someone i dont have blocked

[Rob]

cilffnotes update plz. preferably by someone i dont have blocked

 

Same situation as last night, but Hendry has apparently made a bit of progress with Milton Bradley.

[17 Seconds]

cilffnotes update plz. preferably by someone i dont have blocked

 

update: people still don't like you

 

more later

[wade]

yes, having peavy and bradley on the cubs for the next three years would surely hurt the team.

 

the only thing moving in this trade that would hurt is vitters, and he's no sure thing, and he's at least three years away, anyway.

 

Committing, say, $30 million of the 2011 payroll doesn't cause you to blink the slightest eye?

 

not if it's for a pair of talented players

 

And not if the payroll is 170 million by then. The Cubs have the luxury of 'overpaying', they might as well take advantage of it and get really good players when they can.

[Derwood]

cilffnotes update plz. preferably by someone i dont have blocked

 

your "blocked" list is 40 people long, most of whom post in this thread

[Mephistopheles]

Which is why I need cliffnotes and updates. There's a lot of hidden posts. Then why are people screaming and harping and gushing over Peavy, when by all accounts, talks at the best, marginally took a step backward today.

[RammyFanny]

cilffnotes update plz. preferably by someone i dont have blocked

Cubs sources stress nothing is imminent. Towers has said that we are a little reluctant at the price tag but he is still optimistic that we eventually will agree on something. Bruce says that the GM's were all in a mandatory conference this morning for awhile so while all of these reports were coming out, the GM's weren't actually talking trades. Don't know if you've seen that the Cubs have talked with Bradley and that he appears to be at the top of our list. That's about it, go to MLBTR if you want to find all of the links for today.

 

Edit: some Phillies sources say that the Orioles aren't likely to be involved, but other reports say that they are still in the 4-way.

Edited December 9, 2008 by RammyFanny

[17 Seconds]

Which is why I need cliffnotes and updates. There's a lot of hidden posts. Then why are people screaming and harping and gushing over Peavy, when by all accounts, talks at the best, marginally took a step backward today.

 

if you have everybody on ignore, what is the point of even coming here?

[Mephistopheles]

cilffnotes update plz. preferably by someone i dont have blocked

Cubs sources stress nothing is imminent. Towers has said that we are a little reluctant at the price tag but he is still optimistic that we eventually will agree on something. Bruce says that the GM's were all in a mandatory conference this morning for awhile so while all of these reports were coming out, the GM's weren't actually talking trades. Don't know if you've seen that the Cubs have talked with Bradley and that he appears to be at the top of our list. That's about it, go to MLBTR if you want to find all of the links for today.

 

Edit: some Phillies sources say that the Orioles aren't likely to be involved, but other reports say that they are still in the 4-way.

 

Thank you.

[PrimeTime]

lol..huge signing..Looks like they dont need Cedeno

 

The Orioles are closing in on signing Cesar Izturis, according to the Baltimore Sun.

[Derwood]

Which is why I need cliffnotes and updates. There's a lot of hidden posts. Then why are people screaming and harping and gushing over Peavy, when by all accounts, talks at the best, marginally took a step backward today.

 

if you have everybody on ignore, what is the point of even coming here?

 

you're on his list, he can't read you

[brinoch]

Please stay on topic.

[cubsfan26]

Bradley and Peavy? Isn't there a point when it's just wasteful and inefficient? Do you really need to try to win 110 games in the regular season?

 

The idea is to not get swept in the postseason. The more good talent you add, the more likely it is to win - though that's certainly not the only factor.

 

I'm mostly tongue-in-cheek on the "too much" thing, but the odds of any individual player being the difference in a five-game playoff series is almost nil.

 

You're a big fan of regressions. How do we even know the Cubs will get into the playoffs without Peavy and Bradley? DeRosa should regress, Soto could regress, Theriot could regress, Ramirez should have an age related regression, Lee etc. The pen is already worse than last years shaky one, Dempster and Harden you said yourself should regress. Never take making the playoffs for granted.

 

 

I agree who would have thought that the 2004 Cubs would have missed the playoffs? Plus nobody can predict a players health, or what type of fluke injuries could happen. You just have to put the best team possible on the field, especially if you wanna win now. You can't think about 2-3 years down the line, because you never know what will happen. The way I look at it, there's a very good chance Peavy could be a huge bargin in 2011 at 16m, same with Bradley at 8m. I think we gotta keep in mind that the Cubs would be trading one top prospect, who might or might not be a good major leaguer. Were not emptying the farm, were trading one top prospect(who would be 3rd-5th best prospect in most farm systems), and spare parts for one of the best young pitchers in baseball about to enter his prime.

[cubswin2009]

David Haugh (Bears beat reporter) hates this deal because the Cubs would be getting rid of Mark DeRosa. Geez not like DeRosa will ever match the year he had last year.

[17 Seconds]

Only 9 minutes until Chicago Tribune Live and a wild David Kaplan rumor to lead off the show.

 

what did he say?

[Hall7810]

Only 9 minutes until Chicago Tribune Live and a wild David Kaplan rumor to lead off the show.

 

what did he say?

 

Nothing of substance.

[17 Seconds]

Only 9 minutes until Chicago Tribune Live and a wild David Kaplan rumor to lead off the show.

 

what did he say?

 

Nothing of substance.

 

still.... cliffs?

[cubswin2009]

Only 9 minutes until Chicago Tribune Live and a wild David Kaplan rumor to lead off the show.

 

what did he say?

Was waiting for him to mention that he called several "sources" and to give us news but he didn't have anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

Bradley and Peavy? Isn't there a point when it's just wasteful and inefficient? Do you really need to try to win 110 games in the regular season?

 

The idea is to not get swept in the postseason. The more good talent you add, the more likely it is to win - though that's certainly not the only factor.

 

I'm mostly tongue-in-cheek on the "too much" thing, but the odds of any individual player being the difference in a five-game playoff series is almost nil.

 

You're a big fan of regressions. How do we even know the Cubs will get into the playoffs without Peavy and Bradley? DeRosa should regress, Soto could regress, Theriot could regress, Ramirez should have an age related regression, Lee etc. The pen is already worse than last years shaky one, Dempster and Harden you said yourself should regress. Never take making the playoffs for granted.

 

 

I agree who would have thought that the 2004 Cubs would have missed the playoffs? Plus nobody can predict a players health, or what type of fluke injuries could happen. You just have to put the best team possible on the field, especially if you wanna win now. You can't think about 2-3 years down the line, because you never know what will happen. The way I look at it, there's a very good chance Peavy could be a huge bargin in 2011 at 16m, same with Bradley at 8m. I think we gotta keep in mind that the Cubs would be trading one top prospect, who might or might not be a good major leaguer. Were not emptying the farm, were trading one top prospect(who would be 3rd-5th best prospect in most farm systems), and spare parts for one of the best young pitchers in baseball about to enter his prime.

 

You absolutely can, and should, think about 2-3 years down the line. But that should not prevent the Cubs from committing financially to guys like this.