Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[KingCubsFan]

I'd say that Khalil Greene is more likely to hit 20 home runs than Mark DeRosa.

He's also more likely to hit .230 with an OBP below .300

[BigbadB]

While you are busy working on that assignment, I'd also like to point out that moving Soriano down in the order, and assuming moving him down means moving him to the 6th spot in the order (Lee, LH RF, Aramis hitting 3-4-5) will take the bat out of Soriano's hands nearly 100 times over the course of the season, or the equivilent of 1/6th of a full season of at bats.

 

It would be a horrible move to take the bat out of Soriano's hands 100 times over the course of a season, IMO.

 

In 2008, the top of the order hitter had 89 more plate appearances than the #6 hitter. In 2007, the difference was 83 plate appearances.

[Mephistopheles]

which is why VORP blows.

[ctcf]

So... Jake Peavy...

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So... Jake Peavy...

 

... can't pitch on the ro-

 

just kidding.

[BigbadB]

So... Jake Peavy...

 

Can't hit leadoff.

[Wheelimus]

So... Jake Peavy...

 

Can't hit leadoff.

 

Can't steal either. Pathetic 0%.

 

What a bum...

[davearm2]

Really? You prefer Soriano at Lead Off? Wow

If the choice is either one or the other, there's a strong (IMO) case to be made for Soriano over Roberts.

 

I don't think anyone would debate the point that the Cubs would be better with both, although at that point it becomes a cost/benefit issue. There I'd argue that the smart choice would be to wait a year for the cost (in players) to fall from astronomical to a single second-round draft pick, while also avoiding the redundancy problem that you'd have with both Roberts and DeRosa on the same roster.

 

Except for the fact that DeRosa probably wouldn't be retained if the Cubs went after Roberts, unless DeRosa was being kept to play OF.

I assume you're talking about acquiring Roberts in a trade, and then shipping DeRosa out in a subsequent trade, all this winter.

 

It's certainly a plausible scenario, but it's both more costly and more complicated to achieve than simply waiting a year to sign Roberts as a FA and let DeRosa walk.

 

Maybe you endure the extra cost and effort to get the upgrade done a year early (provided the payroll implications aren't too severe in terms of what else you can and can't do if you're paying Roberts $8M instead of paying DeRosa $5.5M). That's an easy thing to argue for. IMO it's just as easy to argue for doing it the easy way by simply waiting a year.

[BigbadB]

I was referring to signing him as a free agent. The Cubs don't have the pieces to get him now or midseason, especially after they trade for Peavy.

 

If the Cubs signed Roberts after the '09 season, they would probably let DeRosa walk. He'd be going on 35, and it's likely the Cubs will have a LH RF bat for more than just the '09 season to begin with. For example, if the Cubs were to land Bradley, he will cost more than just one year. Same with Abreu.

 

And actually, I'm not sure the demand will be there for Roberts after the '09 season, either. With high price tags for the SP's, 1b, 3b, LF and probably RF, there won't be a whole lot of money available for a high priced 2b unless you have a real spend friendly owner. In the current economic climate, that's not all that likely.

[Shilzzz]

what

does

brian

roberts

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to

do

with

anything

?

[YearofDaCubs]

I was referring to signing him as a free agent. The Cubs don't have the pieces to get him now or midseason, especially after they trade for Peavy.

 

If the Cubs signed Roberts after the '09 season, they would probably let DeRosa walk. He'd be going on 35, and it's likely the Cubs will have a LH RF bat for more than just the '09 season to begin with. For example, if the Cubs were to land Bradley, he will cost more than just one year. Same with Abreu.

 

And actually, I'm not sure the demand will be there for Roberts after the '09 season, either. With high price tags for the SP's, 1b, 3b, LF and probably RF, there won't be a whole lot of money available for a high priced 2b unless you have a real spend friendly owner. In the current economic climate, that's not all that likely.

Wouldn't Roberts be 33 to 34 when hes available through free agency? If so, not exactly the age to sign that type of guy for a 3 to 4 yr deal.

[BigbadB]

what

does

brian

roberts

have

to

do

with

anything

?

 

We are just trying to pull Wrigley23 out of hiding while there is little else to discuss.

[wrigley23]

Can't hit leadoff.

 

LOL!!

[C.C.]

speak of the devil.

[davearm2]

I was referring to signing him as a free agent. The Cubs don't have the pieces to get him now or midseason, especially after they trade for Peavy.

 

If the Cubs signed Roberts after the '09 season, they would probably let DeRosa walk. He'd be going on 35, and it's likely the Cubs will have a LH RF bat for more than just the '09 season to begin with. For example, if the Cubs were to land Bradley, he will cost more than just one year. Same with Abreu.

 

And actually, I'm not sure the demand will be there for Roberts after the '09 season, either. With high price tags for the SP's, 1b, 3b, LF and probably RF, there won't be a whole lot of money available for a high priced 2b unless you have a real spend friendly owner. In the current economic climate, that's not all that likely.

OK gotcha.

 

I assumed the other interpretation since IMO it's a foregone conclusion that the Cubs wouldn't re-up DeRosa if they could land Roberts.

[JWCUB]

With $27.5 million committed to four players and talk that the payroll could be near $40 million in 2009, GM Kevin Towers still might have salary trimming to do and said last night he will revisit talks with the Cubs on Padres ace Jake Peavy, who is due $11 million next year as part of a four-year, $63 million guarantee. The Padres and Cubs have discussed a five-for-one deal that could involve a third team. The Padres like their chance of getting the Cubs' best prospect, third baseman Josh Vitters, and major leaguers such as starting pitcher Sean Marshall and reliever Kevin Hart, plus talent from a third club. -- San Diego Union-Tribune

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors

 

Nothing new.

[BigbadB]

With $27.5 million committed to four players and talk that the payroll could be near $40 million in 2009, GM Kevin Towers still might have salary trimming to do and said last night he will revisit talks with the Cubs on Padres ace Jake Peavy, who is due $11 million next year as part of a four-year, $63 million guarantee. The Padres and Cubs have discussed a five-for-one deal that could involve a third team. The Padres like their chance of getting the Cubs' best prospect, third baseman Josh Vitters, and major leaguers such as starting pitcher Sean Marshall and reliever Kevin Hart, plus talent from a third club. -- San Diego Union-Tribune

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors

 

Nothing new.

 

Peavy is getting traded. Don't believe the hopeful San Diego sports columnists who are saying otherwise. The Padres would be right around 43m without trading Peavy, and they do still need to add some players to this team. As of today, they have Luis Rodriguez at SS, no one at 2b, no depth at C and the rotation is a mess. The Padres are currently talking to Brad Ausmus for a 1 year deal to tutor Nick Hundley behind the plate.

 

By trading Peavy, they could then add the necessary parts to feel comfortable going into the '09 season and meet the 40m budget. Keeping Peavy will not allow them to get the budget to where Moores wants it.

 

They are possibly looking at David Eckstein at 2b and might even look at someone like Felipe Lopez at ss.

 

This team is going to be horrible no matter who they add.

[haubrich91]

Could you guys imagine the Cubs with a $40M payroll?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Could you guys imagine the Cubs with a $40M payroll?

 

our team would be Soriano-Dempster-Zambrano.

[rchap24]

Could you guys imagine the Cubs with a $40M payroll?

 

our team would be Soriano-Dempster-Zambrano.

 

Ha...That would be horrible

[Ski]

Could you guys imagine the Cubs with a $40M payroll?

 

our team would be Soriano-Dempster-Zambrano.

 

Ha...That would be horrible

One pitcher, one infielder, and one outfielder for every game.

 

Kinda like that Bugs Bunny episode.

[C.C.]

Could you guys imagine the Cubs with a $40M payroll?

 

our team would be Soriano-Dempster-Zambrano.

 

Ha...That would be horrible

One pitcher, one infielder, and one outfielder for every game.

 

Kinda like that Bugs Bunny episode.

 

We'd still beat Pittsburgh.

[Jehrico]

Could you guys imagine the Cubs with a $40M payroll?

 

our team would be Soriano-Dempster-Zambrano.

 

Ha...That would be horrible

One pitcher, one infielder, and one outfielder for every game.

 

Kinda like that Bugs Bunny episode.

 

We'd still beat Pittsburgh.

I'll take Aramis, Marmol, and Geo instead of Soriano.

[UMFan83]

Just to give you an idea of the Cubs situation, from SI.com's Paul Heyman:

 

They brought back their own fine reliever-turned-starter Ryan Dempster and have been attached to Raul Ibanez, Bobby Abreu, Furcal and ballyhooed trade target Jake Peavy, but some agents are getting the idea they may not be rushing into any more big deals, not while the ownership situation remains unsettled. And imagine what it must be like to try to sell a billion-dollar team these days, when nobody's even buying a car. One competing owner said he could see the Cubs, who are shopping Jason Marquis, even trying to cut budget.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/12/05/heyman.wintermeetings/1.html

[cubsfan26]

Someone posted on another Cubs board that they heard Buster Olney say that the Cubs/Padres have a deal in place. But the Cubs have to trade Marquis and clear his salary before they can do a deal. I dunno how true this is, so take it FWIW.