Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[cubsfan26]

Churchill was talking about how the Orioles are being unreasonable with their demands for Olson, and he told me this

 

Get this. They asked the Cubs to ask the Padres to agree to trade Chase Headley in the deal.

 

Hahaha. Now, who knows if there is any truth to this, but I totally can believe that.

 

 

OMG whats wrong with MacPhail? Hendry and Towers are probably sitting there having a good laugh at that request. How is MacPhail still so respected around the league? I thought MacPhail was already willing to swap Pie for Olson(who had a 6.65 era and 1.73 WHIP in 26 starts last year), and thats why the Orioles got involved in the first place. If MacPhail backed out of that offer, we should just find a different third team. There's no need, to waste anymore time with this guy, if this is true.

[17 Seconds]

The problem is that holding out and asking for ridiculous deals actually worked once for MacPahil with them already, thanks to Bill freaking Bavasi. Now he probably thinks he can pull that stuff on everyone.

[RedFlash]

The problem is that holding out and asking for ridiculous deals actually worked once for MacPahil with them already, thanks to Bill freaking Bavasi. Now he probably thinks he can pull that stuff on everyone.

 

IDK about that. I think you will see teams value their prospects little bit more due to the financial struggles of the economy. Which means, unless MacPhail lowers his demands on his players, teams are not going to be bullied into giving up young, CHEAP prospects for expensive veterans. For the time being Bavasi deal will be the excpetion, not the rule. I don't see teams giving in like Bavasi.

[abuck1220]

who is this churchill guy?

[davearm2]

The problem is that holding out and asking for ridiculous deals actually worked once for MacPahil with them already, thanks to Bill freaking Bavasi. Now he probably thinks he can pull that stuff on everyone.

 

IDK about that. I think you will see teams value their prospects little bit more due to the financial struggles of the economy. Which means, unless MacPhail lowers his demands on his players, teams are not going to be bullied into giving up young, CHEAP prospects for expensive veterans. For the time being Bavasi deal will be the excpetion, not the rule. I don't see teams giving in like Bavasi.

:confused:

What the Padres want from the O's is a young, cheap player (Olson), not an expensive veteran.

 

In fact Peavy himself is the only expensive veteran in play here.

 

Seems as though MacPhail is doing just what you predict: not being bullied into giving up a young cheap guy easily.

[Jehrico]

I don't understand the hostility towards MacPhail. Most of it seems to be linked to the Roberts fiasco from last year, even though it's common knowledge that Angelos and his irrational man-love for Brian Roberts was the source of the friction in that deal, not MacPhail himself. There are plenty of reasons to not like MacPhail, but that isn't one of them.

[Backtobanks]

I don't understand the hostility towards MacPhail. Most of it seems to be linked to the Roberts fiasco from last year, even though it's common knowledge that Angelos and his irrational man-love for Brian Roberts was the source of the friction in that deal, not MacPhail himself. There are plenty of reasons to not like MacPhail, but that isn't one of them.

 

I don't dislike MacPhail at all, but you must admit that his slow moving pace and his overvaluing his players can be really annoying. I think he might be the wrong man for the job to rebuild the O's if you are an impatient O's fan. He might get it done, but it won't be done quickly.

[JWCUB]

Ken Davidoff says the Braves will now have less of a need for Jake Peavy or A.J. Burnett. I think, though, that they'll still aggressively try to acquire one of the two. Most of the rumored packages for Peavy didn't involve the prospects sent to Chicago, with the possible exception of Flowers.

 

It was obvious, but I still felt the need to put it in here.

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

[ctcf]

Per Rotoworld:

 

According to the New York Daily News, the Braves and Cubs "have all but ended talks with" the Padres for Jake Peavy.

The newspaper adds that "it's still unlikely that the Yankees will get too involved in trade talks for Peavy, since it would probably take Phil Hughes and/or Austin Jackson to complete a deal." General manager Kevin Towers is running out of options after all but guaranteeing that Peavy would be dealt.

Source: New York Daily News

 

Oh for pete's sake...

[JWCUB]

Braves Preparing Five-Year Offer For Burnett

By Tim Dierkes [December 3 at 9:56am CST]

Will the Braves be the team to commit five years to A.J. Burnett? According to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News, they're preparing such an offer. Feinsand wonders if Burnett will jump at this offer without waiting to see what C.C. Sabathia does. SI.com's Jon Heyman seems to agree with Feinsand's report. He learned from Frank Wren that the Braves are in on Burnett but not Jake Peavy, and heard talk that the Braves might consider a fifth year. Wren described talks for Peavy as "pretty much" over.

 

 

Thats what I like to see. The cat and mouse game continues........

[davearm2]

Per Rotoworld:

 

According to the New York Daily News, the Braves and Cubs "have all but ended talks with" the Padres for Jake Peavy.

The newspaper adds that "it's still unlikely that the Yankees will get too involved in trade talks for Peavy, since it would probably take Phil Hughes and/or Austin Jackson to complete a deal." General manager Kevin Towers is running out of options after all but guaranteeing that Peavy would be dealt.

Source: New York Daily News

 

Oh for pete's sake...

I strongly doubt that Hendry has ended talks with the Padres for Jake Peavy.

[BigbadB]

I don't understand the hostility towards MacPhail. Most of it seems to be linked to the Roberts fiasco from last year, even though it's common knowledge that Angelos and his irrational man-love for Brian Roberts was the source of the friction in that deal, not MacPhail himself. There are plenty of reasons to not like MacPhail, but that isn't one of them.

 

I don't dislike MacPhail at all, but you must admit that his slow moving pace and his overvaluing his players can be really annoying. I think he might be the wrong man for the job to rebuild the O's if you are an impatient O's fan. He might get it done, but it won't be done quickly.

 

MacPhail does appear to be quite slow moving when making a trade, but I don't know if all the blame should be directed at him for this Peavy fiasco.

 

1) Cubs ownership is in flux

2) Cubs budget is currently higher than it should be for a team that is looking to add players

3) More than 1 team is needed to finish the deal

4) Other players appear to need to be traded in order for this particular trade to work for the Cubs

5) The market has been moving slowly for everyone due to the economy

6) Towers is getting raped on this Peavy deal no matter what. I can understand their slow response.

7) SP is honestly not the Cubs biggest need at this point, which requires Hendry to be working on more than just Peavy.

8) There are other teams Hendry can look to to get the package of players the Padres need.

9) Hendry might actually be required to actually move some payroll before a deal for Peavy goes down so as not to be stuck with a higher payroll than is allowed.

10) I'm sure there are plenty more, but I'm still on my first cup of java this am.

 

MacPhail's name only really came up toward the tail end of last week. Towers is the one that has been the slow mover at this point, even though he was pretty clear in the early going that he wanted to get something done as soon as possible so that he could focus on the rest of the team's needs.

 

I can't blame Towers for still being where he is at. He's partially to blame for giving Peavy no trade rights, but at the same time, Moores is the one who is forcing Peavy to be moved.

 

I want this to be over as much as the next guy, but this is a very complicated situation. Even though Towers is forced to trade Peavy, and the Cubs appear to be the only real suitor, Hendry is still not the type of GM that will kick Towers in the nads with his current predicament. Hendry will see to it that Towers gets fair value for Peavy. In the big picture, that would probably be wise anyway. I would think a strong working relationship with small market teams who can't keep their high priced talent would be quite valuable in future dealings.

[JWCUB]

Per Rotoworld:

 

According to the New York Daily News, the Braves and Cubs "have all but ended talks with" the Padres for Jake Peavy.

The newspaper adds that "it's still unlikely that the Yankees will get too involved in trade talks for Peavy, since it would probably take Phil Hughes and/or Austin Jackson to complete a deal." General manager Kevin Towers is running out of options after all but guaranteeing that Peavy would be dealt.

Source: New York Daily News

 

Oh for pete's sake...

I strongly doubt that Hendry has ended talks with the Padres for Jake Peavy.

 

At least not before the Winter Meetings.

[davearm2]

I don't understand the hostility towards MacPhail. Most of it seems to be linked to the Roberts fiasco from last year, even though it's common knowledge that Angelos and his irrational man-love for Brian Roberts was the source of the friction in that deal, not MacPhail himself. There are plenty of reasons to not like MacPhail, but that isn't one of them.

 

I don't dislike MacPhail at all, but you must admit that his slow moving pace and his overvaluing his players can be really annoying. I think he might be the wrong man for the job to rebuild the O's if you are an impatient O's fan. He might get it done, but it won't be done quickly.

 

MacPhail does appear to be quite slow moving when making a trade, but I don't know if all the blame should be directed at him for this Peavy fiasco.

 

1) Cubs ownership is in flux

2) Cubs budget is currently higher than it should be for a team that is looking to add players

3) More than 1 team is needed to finish the deal

4) Other players appear to need to be traded in order for this particular trade to work for the Cubs

5) The market has been moving slowly for everyone due to the economy

6) Towers is getting raped on this Peavy deal no matter what. I can understand their slow response.

7) SP is honestly not the Cubs biggest need at this point, which requires Hendry to be working on more than just Peavy.

8) There are other teams Hendry can look to to get the package of players the Padres need.

9) Hendry might actually be required to actually move some payroll before a deal for Peavy goes down so as not to be stuck with a higher payroll than is allowed.

10) I'm sure there are plenty more, but I'm still on my first cup of java this am.

 

MacPhail's name only really came up toward the tail end of last week. Towers is the one that has been the slow mover at this point, even though he was pretty clear in the early going that he wanted to get something done as soon as possible so that he could focus on the rest of the team's needs.

 

I can't blame Towers for still being where he is at. He's partially to blame for giving Peavy no trade rights, but at the same time, Moores is the one who is forcing Peavy to be moved.

 

I want this to be over as much as the next guy, but this is a very complicated situation. Even though Towers is forced to trade Peavy, and the Cubs appear to be the only real suitor, Hendry is still not the type of GM that will kick Towers in the nads with his current predicament. Hendry will see to it that Towers gets fair value for Peavy. In the big picture, that would probably be wise anyway. I would think a strong working relationship with small market teams who can't keep their high priced talent would be quite valuable in future dealings.

Two things are holding up this deal, IMO.

 

One, the Cubs need to clear salary. This means finding a taker for Marquis, or perhaps even Derrek Lee. Marquis is the clear preference of course for several reasons, not the least of which is that his rotation slot would be taken by Peavy. Point 5) above is why this task is proving difficult to accomplish.

 

Two, the Cubs need to find a way to source another young ML-ready pitcher from a third team to put in their package to SD. Pie for Olson could satisfy this one, but who knows what kinds of wrenches MacPhail might throw into the works here.

 

I remain convinced that Hendry will eventually be able to clear both of these hurdles, and once he does Peavy will be a Cub.

[davearm2]

Per Rotoworld:

 

According to the New York Daily News, the Braves and Cubs "have all but ended talks with" the Padres for Jake Peavy.

The newspaper adds that "it's still unlikely that the Yankees will get too involved in trade talks for Peavy, since it would probably take Phil Hughes and/or Austin Jackson to complete a deal." General manager Kevin Towers is running out of options after all but guaranteeing that Peavy would be dealt.

Source: New York Daily News

 

Oh for pete's sake...

I strongly doubt that Hendry has ended talks with the Padres for Jake Peavy.

 

At least not before the Winter Meetings.

Or, perhaps Hendry has ended talks with the Padres because they've got the parameters of a deal in place, and there's nothing to talk about until Hendry can get his ducks in a row, as outlined above.

[Jehrico]

I don't understand the hostility towards MacPhail. Most of it seems to be linked to the Roberts fiasco from last year, even though it's common knowledge that Angelos and his irrational man-love for Brian Roberts was the source of the friction in that deal, not MacPhail himself. There are plenty of reasons to not like MacPhail, but that isn't one of them.

 

I don't dislike MacPhail at all, but you must admit that his slow moving pace and his overvaluing his players can be really annoying. I think he might be the wrong man for the job to rebuild the O's if you are an impatient O's fan. He might get it done, but it won't be done quickly.

 

MacPhail also overvalues former Cubs prospects that were in the system when he was here (like Pie).

 

Talks with the Os aren't "dragging on" yet, they just started. He's trying to get a better deal for his guy. This is another one of those Negotiating 101 concepts that people don't understand...you never accept the first offer. If he were that easy to work with, then he definitely wouldn't be the right guy to rebuild the O's. You can't hold him accountable if none of the other parties are laying down any deadlines for coming to a concensus. Time is on his side right now to see if he can get more. He's simply doing his job.

[BigbadB]

I remain convinced that Hendry will eventually be able to clear both of these hurdles, and once he does Peavy will be a Cub.

 

Yeah, I think that it will happen eventually, though I really hate getting my hopes up only to see Hendry stomp on my throat while I'm down.

 

On a related note, I listen to a little bit of San Diego sports radio and this year is going down (according to the sports talk guys here) as the worst in San Diego history. Aztec football, Padres baseball, Chargers football. The Hoffman situation. The Peavy situation. The Moores situation.

 

I think the only thing that would really stop Peavy from being traded is if the Moores situation clears up somehow. And that's not likely to happen. Padres fans actually seem okay with Peavy being traded, as they see having Peavy on a bottom feeder team for the next several years as a waste of resources. They view Peavy as someone who can fetch enough talent to turn the lousy farm system around. I don't see it that way since Peavy has an NTC and everyone knows the Padres are cutting payroll in half, but I'm absolutely shocked that the people here aren't completely outraged.

 

It will probably be a very long time before another young up and comer in the Padres ranks will be extended an NTC, that's for sure.

[cubsfan26]

That article is BS, and sounds more like that writers opinion then anything else. I heard Ken Rosenthal just last night say talks are still on going with the Cubs/Padres, but moving slowly. Not to mention Kevin Towers told the media Monday the Cubs are still in talks for Peavy. I wouldn't be surprised if this writer is using the comments by Piniella last week for his reason that talks are all but dead with the Cubs.

[mdwilla]

If the Braves go five years on Burnett, which is insane , even worse considering the market . Towers has even less leverage, though we all knew that peavy would not waive his no trade clause for the BRaves .

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Per Rotoworld:

 

According to the New York Daily News, the Braves and Cubs "have all but ended talks with" the Padres for Jake Peavy.

The newspaper adds that "it's still unlikely that the Yankees will get too involved in trade talks for Peavy, since it would probably take Phil Hughes and/or Austin Jackson to complete a deal." General manager Kevin Towers is running out of options after all but guaranteeing that Peavy would be dealt.

Source: New York Daily News

 

Oh for pete's sake...

I strongly doubt that Hendry has ended talks with the Padres for Jake Peavy.

 

Surely the New York Daily News would know...

[Cubswin11]

New from Tim Brown on Yahoo.

 

Cubs remain in hunt for Peavy

 

Despite reports to the contrary, the Cubs remain engaged in talks to acquire Jake Peavy from the Padres.

Indeed, a Padres source said the club had uncovered two teams which could provide the players to complete a trade. The Orioles are believed to be one.

Negotiations are expected to continue into next week’s winter meetings.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-hotstovenotes120308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

I wonder who that other team could be?

[JWCUB]

Regarding the Orioles' possible involvement in a trade that would send Jake Peavy to the Cubs, Perrotto says Baltimore seeks Ronny Cedeno and Felix Pie from Chicago

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

I thought the Padres wanted Ronny.

[BigbadB]

I doubt that Ronny is a deal breaker. Besides, Towers has probably moved on to someone like Vitters over Ronny.

[YearofDaCubs]

I doubt that Ronny is a deal breaker. Besides, Towers has probably moved on to someone like Vitters over Ronny.

There's no doubt in my mind that if any deal goes through for Peavy, Vitters will be included.

[Post Count Padder]

I doubt that Ronny is a deal breaker. Besides, Towers has probably moved on to someone like Vitters over Ronny.

There's no doubt in my mind that if any deal goes through for Peavy, Vitters will be included.

Same here. And I have a feeling the Padres may hold onto Greene so Ronny also wouldn't be a piece they need.