4/15 - Bulls (41-40) vs. Toronto (32-49) - 7 pm, CSN

[RedFlash]

Isn't Harrington just another midline talent who isn't going to take us where we want to go?

 

There are trades to bring in talent, then they are trades you make to bring in expiring contracts. Harrington only value to the Bulls would be his contract comes off the books after the 2009-10 season, along with Hughes, and that FA class is going to be a monster class. Players like Wade/James/Bosh/Amare/Nowitzki could all in theory be available. So the Bulls should try to get some expiring contracts (hold onto Gooden, unless you get a player who'c contract comes off the book after 2009-10 season. Hence the reason why I am pushing for the Harrington deal. Like Jalen Rose of a couple of yrs, he marginally improves the team short-term, but his contract is what the Bulls should be interested in.

 

If it nets us one of those guys I guess I wouldn't argue :)

 

I'm just hoping that Rose/Thomas/Deng can develop into a very good nucleus plus cap room=a very attractive place for free agents.

[David]

I think Rose + cap room will be attractive enough as it is... but, obviously, I'm hoping that turns into a solid core, too.

 

Tyrus looked very good last night. He just needs to work on his touch around the basket in terms of non-dunk finishes.

[Soul]

It seems like all he can do is dunk.

[Guest]

I think Rose + cap room will be attractive enough as it is... but, obviously, I'm hoping that turns into a solid core, too.

 

Tyrus looked very good last night. He just needs to work on his touch around the basket in terms of non-dunk finishes.

 

Ditto that on Noah. He missed a few bunnies (was fouled on one).

[Guest]

It seems like all he can do is dunk.

 

I just watched the second half but TT his a nifty 12 footer from the left side.

[David]

Not to mention his rebounding, shot altering, shot blocking, etc....

[Guest]

Not to mention his rebounding, shot altering, shot blocking, etc....

 

Indeed...I thought Soul was just referring to his scoring.

[David]

Not to mention his rebounding, shot altering, shot blocking, etc....

 

Indeed...I thought Soul was just referring to his scoring.

 

 

I was thinking that, too, but wasn't sure, since there are a lot of Bulls fans that literally think all Tyrus can do is dunk when he gets a chance.

[rawaction]

TT should never put the ball on the floor. I'd love for him to be able to, because that would make him serviceable at the 3...but yeah, he should never put the ball on the floor.

[David]

i think he's a pretty good ballhandler/dribbler and passer for someone of his size

[RedFlash]

It seems like all he can do is dunk.

 

At this point I'm not worrying about Ty's scoring. If his scoring consists on all kinds of dunks, fine, I just want Ty on the court for 30-35 minutes being active on both sides of the ball. If he can eventually add a decent 10-15 ft jumper that's fine, but what now I want Thomas playing to his strength.

[UMFan83]

It seems like all he can do is dunk.

 

At this point I'm not worrying about Ty's scoring. If his scoring consists on all kinds of dunks, fine, I just want Ty on the court for 30-35 minutes being active on both sides of the ball. If he can eventually add a decent 10-15 ft jumper that's fine, but what now I want Thomas playing to his strength.

 

Exactly. I want Tyrus to prove he can belong on the floor 40 minutes a game because he is active on offense and defense. His jumpshot, while by no means good, has improved a lot since he entered the league. Enough to the point where I don't hate him for taking an open jumper. Still not crazy about his moves around the basket, but he'll get there. Based on the preseason and yesterday's game, I think Tyrus has made some big strides in the offseason, and after Rose he is the player I am most excited to see this season.

[Derwood]

It seems like all he can do is dunk.

 

At this point I'm not worrying about Ty's scoring. If his scoring consists on all kinds of dunks, fine, I just want Ty on the court for 30-35 minutes being active on both sides of the ball. If he can eventually add a decent 10-15 ft jumper that's fine, but what now I want Thomas playing to his strength.

 

Exactly. I want Tyrus to prove he can belong on the floor 40 minutes a game because he is active on offense and defense. His jumpshot, while by no means good, has improved a lot since he entered the league. Enough to the point where I don't hate him for taking an open jumper. Still not crazy about his moves around the basket, but he'll get there. Based on the preseason and yesterday's game, I think Tyrus has made some big strides in the offseason, and after Rose he is the player I am most excited to see this season.

 

Tyrus can be compared to young Tyson Chandler. We saw what Chandler became after putting on some weight and pairing up with a terrific PG.

[RedFlash]

It seems like all he can do is dunk.

 

At this point I'm not worrying about Ty's scoring. If his scoring consists on all kinds of dunks, fine, I just want Ty on the court for 30-35 minutes being active on both sides of the ball. If he can eventually add a decent 10-15 ft jumper that's fine, but what now I want Thomas playing to his strength.

 

Exactly. I want Tyrus to prove he can belong on the floor 40 minutes a game because he is active on offense and defense. His jumpshot, while by no means good, has improved a lot since he entered the league. Enough to the point where I don't hate him for taking an open jumper. Still not crazy about his moves around the basket, but he'll get there. Based on the preseason and yesterday's game, I think Tyrus has made some big strides in the offseason, and after Rose he is the player I am most excited to see this season.

 

Tyrus can be compared to young Tyson Chandler. We saw what Chandler became after putting on some weight and pairing up with a terrific PG.

 

I really wanted to compare Rose/Thomas to Paul/Chandler but I didn't want to put that pressure on a rookie PG. But yeah, if eveyrthing goes to plan I could see Rose/Thomas being the Eastern Conference version of Paul/Chandler.

[UMFan83]

Personally, I think Tyrus is more gifted offensively than Chandler. Chandler couldn't handle the ball to save his life. As someone pointed out before, Tyrus handles the ball somewhat competently for a big man.

 

I see Tyrus's career peaks being something like 16-10. I guess that would translate to more or less Shawn Marion stats, but they are obviously different types of players.

[Mark_R]

Is anyone else really wanting to deal Noc? I think he'd be a decent fit for GS. We'd need to get back a tweener (Harrington would essentially spell the end of minutes for Noc if they were both here) if we were to deal Noc.

[David]

I really like what Noc brings to the team when he isn't asked to be a major contributor... and he's also one of only two guys you can sort of count on to hit a 3 on the roster....

 

Not saying he should be untouchable but I'm not looking to get rid of him...

[Cynosure]

Thank God for TiVo, I can alternate between the Hawks and Bulls!

[RedFlash]

Is anyone else really wanting to deal Noc? I think he'd be a decent fit for GS. We'd need to get back a tweener (Harrington would essentially spell the end of minutes for Noc if they were both here) if we were to deal Noc.

 

Noce for Harrington does work financially straight up. That would only be a laterally, just make a move just for sake of a move for the Warriors, tho. The problem with this scenerio is Noce still has 5 yrs remaining (Hinrich, who is said to someone of interests for GS has 4 yrs) and Harrington has one remaining after this yr. If GS has no problem taking back a longer contract then Noce or Hinrich for Harrington makes some sense. But if long-term deal is not something they want, then regrettabl the deal would have be something along the lines of Thabo/Gooden.

 

But with Harrington continue to talk and lower his trade value, GS might be forced to take a contract like Noce or Hinrich for Harrington just to get Al out of GS. Either way, I think something gets done (not necessarily with the Bulls, tho) before the end of the week. Harrington has made if abundantly clear he doesn't want to play for Nelly or GS anymore, and GS doesn't want him there.

[Mark_R]

I wonder if we could convince the Warriors to take back Larry Hughes too :)

[bcl412]

Do the Bulls have a shot tonight? It seems like teams with Garnett on them always beat the Bulls. Even when the Wolves were crap w/ Garnett they beat the Bulls when they made the playoffs.

[UMFan83]

Do the Bulls have a shot tonight? It seems like teams with Garnett on them always beat the Bulls. Even when the Wolves were crap w/ Garnett they beat the Bulls when they made the playoffs.

 

Nah, I don't think the Bulls matchup well at all against the Celtics. I think the Bulls can beat a team of the Celtics caliber, but not if they can't matchup well.

[David]

Would be nice to at least put up a fight and have Derrick play well for a national audience.

[rawaction]

Do the Bulls have a shot tonight? It seems like teams with Garnett on them always beat the Bulls. Even when the Wolves were crap w/ Garnett they beat the Bulls when they made the playoffs.

 

Nah, I don't think the Bulls matchup well at all against the Celtics. I think the Bulls can beat a team of the Celtics caliber, but not if they can't matchup well.

 

It's early in the season, so things are most possible right now. But Bulls have a bad combo of nobody that matches up well vs. either Garnett or Pierce. If feel you have to either slow one down offensively or make them work enough on D to cause problems. It would be a good sign if the Bulls have a shot in the 4th quarter.

[wolf stansson]

It seems like all he can do is dunk.

 

At this point I'm not worrying about Ty's scoring. If his scoring consists on all kinds of dunks, fine, I just want Ty on the court for 30-35 minutes being active on both sides of the ball. If he can eventually add a decent 10-15 ft jumper that's fine, but what now I want Thomas playing to his strength.

 

Exactly. I want Tyrus to prove he can belong on the floor 40 minutes a game because he is active on offense and defense. His jumpshot, while by no means good, has improved a lot since he entered the league. Enough to the point where I don't hate him for taking an open jumper. Still not crazy about his moves around the basket, but he'll get there. Based on the preseason and yesterday's game, I think Tyrus has made some big strides in the offseason, and after Rose he is the player I am most excited to see this season.

 

Tyrus can be compared to young Tyson Chandler. We saw what Chandler became after putting on some weight and pairing up with a terrific PG.

I think he's more of a Kenyon Martin/Shawn Kemp.