Jake Peavy: Available.

[Clem Fandango]

And since Peavy is under contract for three years, whereas Santana is under contract for one...

 

I'm no genius... but I'm pretty sure Santana still has 5 years left on his contract not one

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

According to an article on ESPN..

 

and if they were to identify an offer that they find acceptable, perhaps for a couple of pitchers and a center fielder, officials with other teams sense that San Diego would move quickly to complete a deal.

 

Would a deal of Pie + Marshall + Marmol get it done? Is it too much?

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to an article on ESPN..

 

and if they were to identify an offer that they find acceptable, perhaps for a couple of pitchers and a center fielder, officials with other teams sense that San Diego would move quickly to complete a deal.

 

Would a deal of Pie + Marshall + Marmol get it done? Is it too much?

 

Call me crazy, but Id be hesitent to move Marmol in any deal. If we re signed Dempster, or aquired something comparable, wed still have a steller rotaion. Our bullpen, however was shaky at best in the end, and with Marmol gone, there would be nobody reliabe to get the ball to Wood.

[weis21]

According to an article on ESPN..

 

and if they were to identify an offer that they find acceptable, perhaps for a couple of pitchers and a center fielder, officials with other teams sense that San Diego would move quickly to complete a deal.

 

Would a deal of Pie + Marshall + Marmol get it done? Is it too much?

 

Call me crazy, but Id be hesitent to move Marmol in any deal. If we re signed Dempster, or aquired something comparable, wed still have a steller rotaion. Our bullpen, however was shaky at best in the end, and with Marmol gone, there would be nobody reliabe to get the ball to Wood.

Marmol is a reliever, he's expendable. Period. If the Padres see him, Pie, and Marshall enough for Peavy, then I'd jump all over it. It's a lot easier to plug a bullpen hole (perhaps there wouldn't be one without Marmol anyway) than it is to get an elite starter.

[weis21]

Well Meph says it will take at least Soto to get the conversation starter, so I ask this...who would be OK dealing Soto for Peavy?

 

And who else (if anyone) would you be willing to part with along with Soto to get Peavy?

 

Personally, I'd do this:

 

Peavy, Greene

 

Soto, Pie, Theriot, Ceda

 

The loss of Soto is somewhat offset by the production that 2009 Greene will probably provide the Cubs offense.

 

Sign Pudge to a two year deal. Win 2009 World Series. Call it a day.

[nilodnayr]

I would be totally against trading Soto for Peavy. A good young cheap catcher is more valuable than Peavy. I say keep Soto and the prospects and make a strong play for Lowe.

 

Soto will definitely provide a greater MORP minus salary spread than Peavy will over the next 5 years.

[RynoHawk23]

They probably want controllable pitching, but Harden, Marshall, & Pie would work for me. Peavy is an upgrade over Harden. Maybe its too much, but I'm not seeing how Harden will ever be reliable health wise. I know Peavy has had his issues too, but I'd rather see him in pinstripes.

[shnsajax]

They probably want controllable pitching, but Harden, Marshall, & Pie would work for me. Peavy is an upgrade over Harden. Maybe its too much, but I'm not seeing how Harden will ever be reliable health wise. I know Peavy has had his issues too, but I'd rather see him in pinstripes.

 

Getting Harden for one year defeats the entire purpose for San Diego trading Peavy.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm not sure I'd be willing to deal Soto in a deal for Peavy. I might consider it if it were Soto and filler for Peavy, or a Soto for Peavy straight up. Even then, I'd be hesitant. Soto, while not a superstar, will provide cheap production at a position where production is hard to come by.

[shnsajax]

I'm not sure I'd be willing to deal Soto in a deal for Peavy. I might consider it if it were Soto and filler for Peavy, or a Soto for Peavy straight up. Even then, I'd be hesitant. Soto, while not a superstar, will provide cheap production at a position where production is hard to come by.

 

Losing the offensive production while taking on a hefty salary and not being able to really replace his numbers would be very difficult. It would require other moves like trading Lee and signing Tex.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd move Soto as the centerpiece of a package for Peavy and Greene.

 

It'll never happen, but I'd do it.

[badnews]

I wouldn't trade Soto for Peavy straight up. How did everyone in this topic become convinced that Peavy was as good as Santana just because Meph said it? Jake Peavy had a 99+ ERA in 2006, when did that last happen to Santana? How many times has Santana gone over 200 innings and how many times has Peavy? Why is it Peavy craps the bed at every single playoff opportunity, he's like the anti-John Smoltz. Why do Peavy's home/road splits suck so bad in 2008? Oh yeah that doesn't mean anything, just the fact that a lot more of his flyballs are turning into home runs away from Petco.

 

Peavy is unfit to carry Santana's jock. Saying Peavy is better than Santana is like when Dan Quayle compared himself to Jack Kennedy.

 

Let's take a look at his postseason career:

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AnckIT4wChv_G8NE_6DV.cmFCLcF?gid=251004124

 

FAIL

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AnckIT4wChv_G8NE_6DV.cmFCLcF?gid=261003125

 

SUCK

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AnckIT4wChv_G8NE_6DV.cmFCLcF?gid=271001127

 

As George Orwell would put it, DOUBLEPLUS SUCK. How does your team score 8 runs with your ace on the mound and not win?

 

Not only that, he sounds terrified of pitching in the AL, which Santana was great at.

[mhuber92211]

I still think Harden is a good comparison to Peavy. If Murton & Gallagher was all it would take for him, Pie, Marshall & Ceda should be enough for Peavy.

[Sammy Sofa]

I was worried. badnews' last few posts had been perfectly rational without any insane, rambling hyperbole. Fortunately, all is well once more.

 

Some people just think Peavy is good. Just because one person said he thinks that Peavy is better than Santana doesn't mean that everyone who wants Peavy pitching for the Cubs thinks that he's better than Santana...but why let rational thinking get in the way of of anything?

[badnews]

It's possible to comment upon someone's point of view without commenting upon the poster themselves, right?

 

I'm pointing out perfectly rational reasons why Peavy is not as good as Santana. Yet some dare to venture he is better? Hey, if you want to let that slide that's okay, that's a little too much for me though.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's possible to comment upon someone's point of view without commenting upon the poster themselves, right?

 

I'm pointing out perfectly rational reasons why Peavy is not as good as Santana. Yet some dare to venture he is better? Hey, if you want to let that slide that's okay, that's a little too much for me though.

 

Yeah, but you once again spouted a line like this:

 

How did everyone in this topic become convinced that Peavy was as good as Santana just because Meph said it?

 

The broad "me vs. the entire board" generalizations that are almost totally made up just set up everything you're gonna say to be ridiculous.

[badnews]

Yeah, but what I am supposed to say when people are agreeing with this kind of thing for no reason? You want hyperbole? Here it is, if Santana's home park was Petco his season ERA would be 0.59.

[Mephistopheles]

i could say the sun was blue and people would believe.

[badnews]

i could say the sun was blue and people would believe.

 

My general impression is that on a number of points you are correct but some of the time you simply intimidate people through scorn into agreeing with you regardless of what may be true or not.

[JimSorgi]

We need to start a thread talking about how great it would be to trade for Hanley Ramirez. I'd love to see badnews explain why he sucks. btw, the sun is blue.

[RedFlash]

I know it's been mention that some think the Cubs would have to offer Soto to get the Padres to listen, but I disagree. I do think the Cubs would have to get a third team involved. I mean a San Diego/Cubs/Rangers trifecta would make so much sense for all parties.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah, but what I am supposed to say when people are agreeing with this kind of thing for no reason? You want hyperbole? Here it is, if Santana's home park was Petco his season ERA would be 0.59.

 

People in this thread who said Peavy was as good or better than Santana: Meph, Rob

 

People in this thread who expressed reservations about trading for Peavy, and/or disagreed with Meph/Rob's characterization of him: I don't want to go back and count, it's over half a dozen.

 

You're embarrassing yourself with this over-the-top "what is wrong with everyone why does everyone think this thing that is clearly wrong and I must bombastically correct you for the error of your ways" schtick.

[badnews]

We need to start a thread talking about how great it would be to trade for Hanley Ramirez. I'd love to see badnews explain why he sucks. btw, the sun is blue.

 

What is that about? I didn't say Jake Peavy sucked. I said he can't compare to Santana.

[OleMissCub]

I couldn't imagine the higher ups putting Soto into a deal.

[badnews]

Yeah, but what I am supposed to say when people are agreeing with this kind of thing for no reason? You want hyperbole? Here it is, if Santana's home park was Petco his season ERA would be 0.59.

 

People in this thread who said Peavy was as good or better than Santana: Meph, Rob

 

People in this thread who expressed reservations about trading for Peavy, and/or disagreed with Meph/Rob's characterization of him: I don't want to go back and count, it's over half a dozen.

 

You're embarrassing yourself with this over-the-top "what is wrong with everyone why does everyone think this thing that is clearly wrong and I must bombastically correct you for the error of your ways" schtick.

 

You're exaggerating. Over half a dozen? I think not. That is over the top. You may call it bombastic posting, but if you feel strongly about a subject I don't see a reason to put a little verve into it, instead of everyone trying to out Spock/robot each other. Plus, in order to get embarrassed I would have to care about the reputation of this little internet persona, which I don't. I basically get ganged up on about petty nonsense in nearly every thread I post in, oh no, I'm not proclaiming Jay Jackson is Tim Lincecum just yet, I'm such a negative guy, everybody pile on.

 

That's part of what I don't like about these boards, what starts as a one-on-one disagreement turns into 7 people taking cheap shots at you personally instead of your argument. I just wish there was less damn posturing. Uh-oh, somebody thinks the fact that Josh Hamilton recovered from drug addiction does not make him a better baseball player than if he never took drugs in the first place! Better send out 10 guys with "internet tough guy" attitudes to deal with the problem.