Where will guys start next season at? (Full Season Rosters)

[biittner77]

I don't see any benefit in starting Vitters in Daytona. He didn't hit in Peoria last year in the short time he was there (all of 14 ABs, but still).

 

Perhaps this is a way to keep him humble. If they start him at Daytona and he struggles they send him down knowing what he needs to work on and then they keep him there until they're happy with his progress. If he's successful then They can give him the end of the year promotion to AA.

 

The Cubs have been pretty aggressive with top prospects in the past (Corey Patterson) Let's hope they learned something from that experience.

[Guest]

http://thecubreporter.com/2009/02/25/projected-cubs-minor-league-camp-rosters

 

Minor League Camp doesn't open for another couple of weeks, but here are the projected Cubs Minor League Camp rosters for the five squads (141 players) at Minor League Camp and also the DSL Cubs Reserve Lists (two teams - 70 players).

 

Players at Minor League Camp are sometimes initially placed one level above where they will likely play that season, and then they either get released or get demoted one level lower once the Cubs start to make cuts and send players to Minor League Camp at Fitch Park from the big league camp at HoHoKam, with an accompanying downward cascade of players from Iowa to Tennessee, Tennessee to Daytona, etc.

 

And:

 

PRESENT STATUS UNKNOWN:

Joel Altagracia, 1B-3B

Pedro DeJesus, C

Davy Gregg, OF

Clark Hardman, OF

Justin Rayborn, RHP

Marc Sawyer, 1B

Matt Weber, RHP

 

Altagracia got the biggest bonus from the Cubs in Latin America last year ($140K).

[Outshined_One]

PEORIA (32):

 

PITCHERS (18):

* Jeffry Antigua

Justin Bristow

Manolin DeLeon

Yohan Gonzalez

Erik Hamren

Chris Huseby

Tommy Mejia

Dionis Nunez

Bubba O’Donnell

Julio Pena

Mike Perconte

Cedric Redmond

Dae-Eun Rhee

Carlos Rojas

Ryan Searle

Miguel Sierra

Larry Suarez

Harol Tolentino

 

CATCHERS (3)

Michael Brenly

Pat Mahoney

# Alvaro Sosa

 

INFIELDERS (6)

Starlin Castro

# Marwin Gonzalez

Gian Guzman

Sean Hoorelbeke

* Bryan Jost

Junior Lake

 

OUTFIELDERS (5)

* Kurt Calvert

# David Macias

* Nelson Perez

* Ryan Sontag

TeWayne Willis

 

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

 

I'm curious about a handful of them, but that's about it. I'll definitely see some games in Peoria this year, but none of those names really excite me. I'm hoping some better names get added to that list.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Interesting to see Castro and Lake with Peoria.

[Guest]

Remember a bunch of guys will drop down one level as guys in the big league camp get cut and sent to the minors.

[Wrigley Rat]

I think Castro has a good chance at making Peoria, however.

[Rob]

I'm a little disappointed to see Rhee back at Peoria... but that's just because of the injuries. If he stays healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see him make it to the majors sometime in 2010.

[Guest]

I'm a little disappointed to see Rhee back at Peoria... but that's just because of the injuries. If he stays healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see him make it to the majors sometime in 2010.

 

I think Peoria is a best case scenario for Rhee. He could easily end up at Boise only. Hopefully his rehab is going well and he'll be ready by June or July.

[Guest]

I think Castro has a good chance at making Peoria, however.

 

Yeah, I hope/expect Castro at SS at Peoria and Flaherty manning SS at Daytona (I don't think they'll give up on him playing SS this season).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What happens to Nate Samson then? Barney will be at Tennessee, and Flaherty at Daytona and Castro at Peoria leave him no place to play regularly. If they were going to move Flaherty, they might want to consider it now since Daytona doesn't have much in the way of a true 2B prospect lining up there.

[Guest]

What happens to Nate Samson then? Barney will be at Tennessee, and Flaherty at Daytona and Castro at Peoria leave him no place to play regularly. If they were going to move Flaherty, they might want to consider it now since Daytona doesn't have much in the way of a true 2B prospect lining up there.

 

It's an interesting logjam. The problem is Flaherty won't play SS at the higher levels and there's a chance that Samson won't either. But I can't blame the Cubs for not wanting to move Flaherty yet - you have to stick with him at SS if there's even a remote chance he can play there since his bat would be so much more valuable there. His bat is ready for Daytona, his glove probably isn't. We'll see if the Cubs are ready to be that aggressive with Flaherty after Tony Thomas struggled so much with the double promotion last season.

[Wrigley Rat]

What happens to Nate Samson then? Barney will be at Tennessee, and Flaherty at Daytona and Castro at Peoria leave him no place to play regularly. If they were going to move Flaherty, they might want to consider it now since Daytona doesn't have much in the way of a true 2B prospect lining up there.

I have Nate Samson playing 2B and backing up SS at Daytona (Samson's defense was really bad last year - worse than Flaherty).

[Outshined_One]

What happens to Nate Samson then? Barney will be at Tennessee, and Flaherty at Daytona and Castro at Peoria leave him no place to play regularly. If they were going to move Flaherty, they might want to consider it now since Daytona doesn't have much in the way of a true 2B prospect lining up there.

I have Nate Samson playing 2B and backing up SS at Daytona (Samson's defense was really bad last year - worse than Flaherty).

 

I'm honestly willing to dispute that. I saw Samson enough last season in Peoria to think he has the chops to stick at SS. I think his errors were more mental than anything else, since he has the physical and mechanical chops to stick there. It just seemed to me like he was shaky early in the season, but got his act together as time went on and he got more reps.

 

Frankly, I think the Cubs would be better off with Flaherty at 2B or 3B and Samson at SS.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Minor League Splits has Samson as an above average defender as well(and Flaherty as a horrendous one).

[Rob]

What happens to Nate Samson then? Barney will be at Tennessee, and Flaherty at Daytona and Castro at Peoria leave him no place to play regularly. If they were going to move Flaherty, they might want to consider it now since Daytona doesn't have much in the way of a true 2B prospect lining up there.

 

I would really hope the Cubs don't consider Barney a roadblock for anybody. I'd honestly rather see Ryan Harvey playing there.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What happens to Nate Samson then? Barney will be at Tennessee, and Flaherty at Daytona and Castro at Peoria leave him no place to play regularly. If they were going to move Flaherty, they might want to consider it now since Daytona doesn't have much in the way of a true 2B prospect lining up there.

 

I would really hope the Cubs don't consider Barney a roadblock for anybody. I'd honestly rather see Ryan Harvey playing there.

 

I know you and Barney are best buds, but he's not so much worse than Samson that you'd ignore him entirely. Plus, you aren't going to have Samson skip a level with his age and past performance, so it's not really an issue in that case.

[Wrigley Rat]

What happens to Nate Samson then? Barney will be at Tennessee, and Flaherty at Daytona and Castro at Peoria leave him no place to play regularly. If they were going to move Flaherty, they might want to consider it now since Daytona doesn't have much in the way of a true 2B prospect lining up there.

I have Nate Samson playing 2B and backing up SS at Daytona (Samson's defense was really bad last year - worse than Flaherty).

 

I'm honestly willing to dispute that. I saw Samson enough last season in Peoria to think he has the chops to stick at SS. I think his errors were more mental than anything else, since he has the physical and mechanical chops to stick there. It just seemed to me like he was shaky early in the season, but got his act together as time went on and he got more reps.

 

Frankly, I think the Cubs would be better off with Flaherty at 2B or 3B and Samson at SS.

Minor League Splits has Samson as an above average defender as well(and Flaherty as a horrendous one).

I have not seen him play, so what you guys have to say is much better than my interpretation of their statistics. Thanks for clearing it up! I think both players (Samson and Flaherty) will be at Daytona this year, so one of them is going to have to change primary positions - it sounds as though most want Flaherty to switch. I just wonder if you consider their value, it might be a tough call moving Flaherty before you know what he's capable of!

[Outshined_One]

I have not seen him play, so what you guys have to say is much better than my interpretation of their statistics. Thanks for clearing it up! I think both players (Samson and Flaherty) will be at Daytona this year, so one of them is going to have to change primary positions - it sounds as though most want Flaherty to switch. I just wonder if you consider their value, it might be a tough call moving Flaherty before you know what he's capable of!

 

I think Samson has a Theriot-like ceiling, maybe a tick better athletically.

 

Flaherty's a tough one to evaluate. He has good power potential and has shown some nice strike zone judgment. His bat should be good enough to make the majors and stick there, but his eventual position is up in the air.

[craig]

I agree with what cal says, I don't expect the Cubs to move Flaherty yet. I know it isn't likely, but if it turned out that his SS defense ends up being acceptable, then we'll be glad we left him there. He's potentially got a big-league bat, whether that be at SS or perhaps 2B or 3B.

 

I could easily be wrong, of course. You don't learn to turn the double play from 2B in a weekend. If his future is going to be 2B, the sooner he moves over the better. Unless he just rocks and comes up and is given 2B as a regular, he'll probably eventually need to play some 3B too. So if he got this year at 2B, that would give him a leg up, then perhaps as soon as next year he could get some 3B besides, and if his defense and bat improves quickly, he could be ready for a bench job in as little as two more seasons or perhaps somewhat longer.

 

As for Samson, I don't rule him out, Theriot is a reminder that these Barney/Samson types can smetimes become important guys. But the rule of thumb is that you do what's best for the better prospects and do what you have to with the lesser ones. don't decide where Flaherty should play based on Samson; decide where Samson should play based on Flaherty.

 

Samson isn't likely to ever play in the majors, and if he does he will mostly likely enter the league as a bench guy. So he's going to need to learn be a multi-position guy anyway, no problem having that start this season.

[Outshined_One]

Samson isn't likely to ever play in the majors, and if he does he will mostly likely enter the league as a bench guy. So he's going to need to learn be a multi-position guy anyway, no problem having that start this season.

 

He played some 2B over the past two seasons, so I think the Cubs already have a bit of a jump start on that one.

[TruffleShuffle]

i've decided that i am really interested in starlin castro. Lord knows the cubs have sucked at developing latin american middle infielders when every other team in baseball has like 20 of them as prospects to at least be decent backup options. castro seems to have a decent grasp of the strike zone and a little pop in his bat too.

[Wrigley Rat]

I just thought I would put together a list of my guesses for where everyone will end up at to start the 2009 season. I am rarely close, but I like to see how close I can come. Besides, this message board has been silent for awhile.

 

The order is: C, C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, MIF, CIF, LF, CF, RF, OF's AND SP1-5, CL, RP's.

 

My opinion is that the infielders and outfielders should be fairly accurate. The relief pitchers might be OK. My starting pitchers don't work well starting in AA and down. I can imagine the Cubs promoting (too fast in my opinion) some starting pitchers from Daytona to Tenn, Peoria to Daytona, etc. Some of the guys who just made the cut will likely be cut then (i.e. Dumas Garcia, Vince Perkins, etc.).

 

Chicago:

Geovany Soto

Koyie Hill

Derrek Lee

Mike Fontenot

Ryan Theriot

Aramis Ramirez

Aaron Miles

Micah Hoffpauir

Alfonso Soriano

Kosuke Fukudome

Milton Bradley

Reed Johnson

Joey Gathright

 

Carlos Zambrano

Ryan Dempster

Ted Lilly

Rich Harden

Sean Marshall

Kevin Gregg

Carlos Marmol

Aaron Heilman

Neal Cotts

David Patton

Angel Guzman/Chad Gaudin (whoever can't be traded)

Luis Vizcaino

 

Iowa:

Welington Castillo

Chris Robinson

Jake Fox

Nate Spears

Andres Blanco

Bobby Scales

Esteban German

Matt Camp

Brad Snyder (if he accepts his assignment to AAA - Otherwise, So Taguchi)

Sam Fuld

Doug Deeds

Jason Dubois

 

Jeff Samardzija

Mitch Atkins

Esmailin Caridad

Randy Wells

J.R. Mathes

Kevin Hart

Jeff Stevens

Jason Waddell

Jose Ascanio

Rocky Roquet

Justin Berg

Ed Campusano

 

Tennessee:

Steve Clevenger

Mark Reed

Blake Lalli

Tony Thomas

Darwin Barney

Marquez Smith

Justin Sellers

Robinson Chirinos

Russell Canzler

James Adduci

Ty Wright

Richie Robnett

 

Jeremy Papelbon

Greg Reinhard

Todd Blackford

James Russell

Vince Perkins

Marcos Mateo

Brian Schlitter

Casey Lambert

Alex Maestri

Jayson Ruhlman

Angel Castro

Dumas Garcia

 

Daytona:

Luis Bautista

Shawn McGill

Ryan Keedy

Nate Samson

Ryan Flaherty

Jovan Rosa

Jake Opitz

Jonathan Mota

Brandon Guyer

Tony Campana

Dylan Johnston

Jonathan Wyatt

Tyler Colvin

 

Hung-Wen Chen

Marco Carrillo

Aaron Shafer

Jay Jackson

Robert Hernandez

Hank Williamson

John Gaub

Blake Parker

Steve Vento

Jordan Latham

Jake Muyco

Craig Muschko

 

Peoria:

Carlos Perez

Luis Flores

Michael Brenly

Rebel Ridling

Josh Harrison

Starlin Castro

Josh Vitters

Marwin Gonzalez

Drew Rundle

Nelson Perez

Kyler Burke

Jericho Jones

Chris Weimer

 

Casey Coleman

Rafael Dolis

Justin Bristow

Andrew Cashner

Chris Carpenter

Dan McDaniel

Chris Archer

James Leverton

David Cales

Josh Whitlock

Luke Sommer

Ryan Buchter

 

Give me your thoughts. I would assume that the Peoria team could have a hugely different roster based on spring training stats/stuff.

[falcon]

I heard that 7 players were cut from the minor league camp today so the trimming down and re-alignment of rosters has begun.I only heard one name mentioned......Ryan Harvey, 1st round pick out of HS in 2003.Our recent 1st round picks seem to get bogged down in the lower levels.

[Guest]

Colvin in Daytona? Is he converting to catcher or something? :)

[Guest]

I heard that 7 players were cut from the minor league camp today so the trimming down and re-alignment of rosters has begun.I only heard one name mentioned......Ryan Harvey, 1st round pick out of HS in 2003.Our recent 1st round picks seem to get bogged down in the lower levels.

 

Wow.