The Chicago Bears Preseason Thread

[minnesotacubsfan]

I am watching the Vikings pre-season game. they interviewed BB and asked him what is the dif between the Bears offense and the Vikings. his response was something to the effect that in MN, they have a lot of freedom on their pass routes while in Chicago you pretty much do what you are told. I thought that was interesting. Turner always was an immovable object mentally.

 

he also mentioned that he was excited to FINALLY be a #1 WR.whatever man. I hope Brown breaks your heart.

 

That's pretty funny to hear, because the Vikings finished 28th in pass offense last year. I don't think I'd consider it a good thing that they let receivers improvise more when they're bottom-feeders in the pass game.

 

Whatever they're doing up there, last year it didn't work. They were almost totally reliant on their admittedly great run game. When that didn't come through, they lost critical games and ended out of the playoffs.

 

Personally I don't think just Bernard Berrian would do it for them. But him, along with other acquisitions + another year in the same system, probably will.

 

They also had a first-year starter at QB and (when Rice was injured) had Troy Williamson, Bobby Wade, Robert Ferguson as their top 3 WR's. You could have the best scheme in the history of football and you weren't going to have a productive pass offense with that group.

 

This year we'll see. Berrian is a major upgrade, Tarvaris has that first year under his belt, Sidney Rice (along with Aundre Allison) are in their second year, Wade gets to be a slot guy again where he can be successful. The group overall still doesn't have enough to be great but they do need to make teams pay for completely selling out against the run.

 

 

yea, your right. BB has NEVER had a ball hit him right int the hands and drop it the way Troy Williamson did.

[hawkeyecub]

I am watching the Vikings pre-season game. they interviewed BB and asked him what is the dif between the Bears offense and the Vikings. his response was something to the effect that in MN, they have a lot of freedom on their pass routes while in Chicago you pretty much do what you are told. I thought that was interesting. Turner always was an immovable object mentally.

 

he also mentioned that he was excited to FINALLY be a #1 WR.whatever man. I hope Brown breaks your heart.

 

That's pretty funny to hear, because the Vikings finished 28th in pass offense last year. I don't think I'd consider it a good thing that they let receivers improvise more when they're bottom-feeders in the pass game.

 

Whatever they're doing up there, last year it didn't work. They were almost totally reliant on their admittedly great run game. When that didn't come through, they lost critical games and ended out of the playoffs.

 

Personally I don't think just Bernard Berrian would do it for them. But him, along with other acquisitions + another year in the same system, probably will.

 

They also had a first-year starter at QB and (when Rice was injured) had Troy Williamson, Bobby Wade, Robert Ferguson as their top 3 WR's. You could have the best scheme in the history of football and you weren't going to have a productive pass offense with that group.

 

This year we'll see. Berrian is a major upgrade, Tarvaris has that first year under his belt, Sidney Rice (along with Aundre Allison) are in their second year, Wade gets to be a slot guy again where he can be successful. The group overall still doesn't have enough to be great but they do need to make teams pay for completely selling out against the run.

 

 

yea, your right. BB has NEVER had a ball hit him right int the hands and drop it the way Troy Williamson did.

 

 

I'm sure he has. He's also never made near the amount of plays or catches that Berrian has made nor the amount of mind boggling drops. In 3 years Williamson had 79 catches for 1067 yards and 3 TD's. Last year Berrian had 71 for 957 and 5 TD's in an similarly terrible pass offense. Troy had 18 catches for 240 and 1 TD.

 

Honestly I see the Bears a fair amount but obviously not when the Vikes are playing at the same time. I know a lot of Bears fans complained about drops from him, I never saw a ton of them so I defer to you guys on that. I have seen him make some incredible catches in big games and beat some very good corners. Although people debate him being a #1, he was one of the top 25-30 WR's last year in receptions and yards and 35 in TD's in a terrible offense.

 

Any way you slice it he's an enormous upgrade on everything we had last year and is probably a top 25 NFL WR right now.

[Soul]

I am watching the Vikings pre-season game. they interviewed BB and asked him what is the dif between the Bears offense and the Vikings. his response was something to the effect that in MN, they have a lot of freedom on their pass routes while in Chicago you pretty much do what you are told. I thought that was interesting. Turner always was an immovable object mentally.

 

he also mentioned that he was excited to FINALLY be a #1 WR.whatever man. I hope Brown breaks your heart.

 

That's pretty funny to hear, because the Vikings finished 28th in pass offense last year. I don't think I'd consider it a good thing that they let receivers improvise more when they're bottom-feeders in the pass game.

 

Whatever they're doing up there, last year it didn't work. They were almost totally reliant on their admittedly great run game. When that didn't come through, they lost critical games and ended out of the playoffs.

 

Personally I don't think just Bernard Berrian would do it for them. But him, along with other acquisitions + another year in the same system, probably will.

 

They also had a first-year starter at QB and (when Rice was injured) had Troy Williamson, Bobby Wade, Robert Ferguson as their top 3 WR's. You could have the best scheme in the history of football and you weren't going to have a productive pass offense with that group.

 

This year we'll see. Berrian is a major upgrade, Tarvaris has that first year under his belt, Sidney Rice (along with Aundre Allison) are in their second year, Wade gets to be a slot guy again where he can be successful. The group overall still doesn't have enough to be great but they do need to make teams pay for completely selling out against the run.

 

The scheme wasn't all that special. It was basically load up on Peterson and he'll carry us all to the promised land.

 

I'm sure Tavaris will be better with experience. The D is improved as well from what I can tell. I'm pretty sure the Vikes are a playoff team, how far they go depends on alot of things that can't be known right now.

 

Berrian's a good receiver. He wanted to be a #1 all along, so good for him. You're right. We'll see -- if he can justify that salary ;)

[hawkeyecub]

I am watching the Vikings pre-season game. they interviewed BB and asked him what is the dif between the Bears offense and the Vikings. his response was something to the effect that in MN, they have a lot of freedom on their pass routes while in Chicago you pretty much do what you are told. I thought that was interesting. Turner always was an immovable object mentally.

 

he also mentioned that he was excited to FINALLY be a #1 WR.whatever man. I hope Brown breaks your heart.

 

That's pretty funny to hear, because the Vikings finished 28th in pass offense last year. I don't think I'd consider it a good thing that they let receivers improvise more when they're bottom-feeders in the pass game.

 

Whatever they're doing up there, last year it didn't work. They were almost totally reliant on their admittedly great run game. When that didn't come through, they lost critical games and ended out of the playoffs.

 

Personally I don't think just Bernard Berrian would do it for them. But him, along with other acquisitions + another year in the same system, probably will.

 

They also had a first-year starter at QB and (when Rice was injured) had Troy Williamson, Bobby Wade, Robert Ferguson as their top 3 WR's. You could have the best scheme in the history of football and you weren't going to have a productive pass offense with that group.

 

This year we'll see. Berrian is a major upgrade, Tarvaris has that first year under his belt, Sidney Rice (along with Aundre Allison) are in their second year, Wade gets to be a slot guy again where he can be successful. The group overall still doesn't have enough to be great but they do need to make teams pay for completely selling out against the run.

 

The scheme wasn't all that special. It was basically load up on Peterson and he'll carry us all to the promised land.

 

I'm sure Tavaris will be better with experience. The D is improved as well from what I can tell. I'm pretty sure the Vikes are a playoff team, how far they go depends on alot of things that can't be known right now.

 

Berrian's a good receiver. He wanted to be a #1 all along, so good for him. You're right. We'll see -- if he can justify that salary ;)

 

You're right the scheme was nothing special. I was just saying that I don't think the passing numbers are an indictment of what the WR's were coached to do differently than the Bears. The personnel simply wasn't there for any of that to be a factor.

 

As far as the salary goes, the Vikings overpaid but they had to. They had a glaring need for anything resembling a #1 WR and had the cap space.

[rawaction]

Personally I'm hoping they find more ways to throw to the RBs, especially Forte. He's got great hands. I saw a couple nice screen plays last night -- I'm really hoping they can finally start getting that play right. It's a very useful one, from more than one standpoint.

 

More use from our TEs too, plz

 

It's a waste throwing to the RB if you are not designing plays to get them the ball in space. Not including the last drive vs. the prevent defense, 4 of the 8 completions to RBs went for 4 yards or less, and two more went for less than 8. That's not even worth throwing. The WRs suck, but an offense moves the ball by getting it to their WRs down the field. I do agree that the ball needs to go to the TEs more, but it's going to have to be down the field to make any difference.

 

 

considering the lack of a true #1 wr and development there of, they will have to use the RB more often.

 

Again, that's not the point. The Chiefs of a few years ago were mentioned earlier as a team that threw to the TEs and RBs a lot and were successful. Well, those teams were able to get the ball to the RBs and TE (Tony Gonzalez) because they weren't afraid to throw the ball down the field some. Eddie Kennison average 17.5 per reception in 04. Johnnie Morton 14.5. Samie Parker only had 9 catches, but averaged over 15 yards per catch. Kennison and Parker got 16 and 15 ypc respectively the next season.

 

San Diego last year, Gates and LT caught 135 balls between them. Their top 3 WRs caught a combined 96. But 2 of the 3 WRs averaged well over 15 ypc. Their 4th leading WR got 14 ypc. Not a #1 WR between the 2 teams.

 

The Bears with Rex and Orton had 2 plays over 15 yards, one was due to Hester getting 16 with a RAC. Berrian was by far the Bears leading WR last year, and the closest thing they had to a #1, and averaged 13.4 per catch. That's not gonna get it done, especially now when you have to respect the WRs even less.

 

Yeah, I don't think I remember anyone saying "don't throw downfield to receivers." For my part, all I said was I'd like to see the RB's and TE's get worked in more because there appears to be more talent there than in past years. That doesn't mean they shouldn't ever use the receivers, or ever throw deep to receivers.

 

There are also ways to throw deep to RBs too, as you know. Or at least deeper.

 

Agreed. I don't mind them throwing to the more talented people more often. My problem is the throws to RBs seem to be under 5 yard passes. The TE routes aren't very creative either. If you are gonna throw to these guys, you need to be able to spread the field out more to make them successful. A 5-yard pass to a back or TE is not going to move the ball well enough if the LBs and safeties are 10 yards back in coverage. If the Bears don't at least have the threat at WR on 15 yard + patterns, then the safeties can cheat up. The Bears do have Hester who will take some attention away with the threat of the deep ball, but you can cover him up top w/ a safety and still have the other 9 defenders pretty close to the line of scrimmage.

[Keener98]

Kevin Jones has been cleared to begin practicing.

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/huddleup/2008/08/kevin-jones-wil.html

[minnesotacubsfan]

Kevin Jones has been cleared to begin practicing.

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/huddleup/2008/08/kevin-jones-wil.html

 

also in that link:

 

"Additionally, the Bears defensive line will welcome back Dusty Dvoracek, who has not practiced yet this preseason while sitting out with a strained calf. If healthy, he is expected to compete with Anthony Adams for the starting defensive tackle position."

 

 

good deal.

[minnesotacubsfan]

You're right the scheme was nothing special. I was just saying that I don't think the passing numbers are an indictment of what the WR's were coached to do differently than the Bears. The personnel simply wasn't there for any of that to be a factor.

 

As far as the salary goes, the Vikings overpaid but they had to. They had a glaring need for anything resembling a #1 WR and had the cap space.

 

I liked BB, but he has a ways to go before he is a Chad Johnson or Larry Fitz for that matter. Part of me is upset the Bears didnt give him the salary the Vikings did, but then again I dont really think he was irreplaceable.

 

I just trust Tommie and Mark A to keep TJ on his back enough that it wont matter ;)

[Magnetic Curses]

I am watching the Vikings pre-season game. they interviewed BB and asked him what is the dif between the Bears offense and the Vikings. his response was something to the effect that in MN, they have a lot of freedom on their pass routes while in Chicago you pretty much do what you are told. I thought that was interesting. Turner always was an immovable object mentally.

 

he also mentioned that he was excited to FINALLY be a #1 WR.whatever man. I hope Brown breaks your heart.

 

That's pretty funny to hear, because the Vikings finished 28th in pass offense last year. I don't think I'd consider it a good thing that they let receivers improvise more when they're bottom-feeders in the pass game.

 

Whatever they're doing up there, last year it didn't work. They were almost totally reliant on their admittedly great run game. When that didn't come through, they lost critical games and ended out of the playoffs.

 

Personally I don't think just Bernard Berrian would do it for them. But him, along with other acquisitions + another year in the same system, probably will.

 

They also had a first-year starter at QB and (when Rice was injured) had Troy Williamson, Bobby Wade, Robert Ferguson as their top 3 WR's. You could have the best scheme in the history of football and you weren't going to have a productive pass offense with that group.

 

This year we'll see. Berrian is a major upgrade, Tarvaris has that first year under his belt, Sidney Rice (along with Aundre Allison) are in their second year, Wade gets to be a slot guy again where he can be successful. The group overall still doesn't have enough to be great but they do need to make teams pay for completely selling out against the run.

 

 

yea, your right. BB has NEVER had a ball hit him right int the hands and drop it the way Troy Williamson did.

 

 

I'm sure he has. He's also never made near the amount of plays or catches that Berrian has made nor the amount of mind boggling drops. In 3 years Williamson had 79 catches for 1067 yards and 3 TD's. Last year Berrian had 71 for 957 and 5 TD's in an similarly terrible pass offense. Troy had 18 catches for 240 and 1 TD.

 

Honestly I see the Bears a fair amount but obviously not when the Vikes are playing at the same time. I know a lot of Bears fans complained about drops from him, I never saw a ton of them so I defer to you guys on that. I have seen him make some incredible catches in big games and beat some very good corners. Although people debate him being a #1, he was one of the top 25-30 WR's last year in receptions and yards and 35 in TD's in a terrible offense.

 

Any way you slice it he's an enormous upgrade on everything we had last year and is probably a top 25 NFL WR right now.

 

the vikings gave him what they had to give him, but he's not worth more than lance briggs, there's just no way.

 

berrian's not a #1 receiver, he's still pretty thin and going over the middle is a problem for him. not that he gets alligator arms, it's probably worse that he doesn't. he can't absorb hits, he's not a good downfield blocker, but his hands are excellent. as far as him putting up numbers in a terrible offense, well, someone had to put up some kind of numbers. it's not like they weren't going to gain any yards.

 

the bears definitely took a hit when they lost berrian, but he's ridiculously overpaid.

[Magnetic Curses]

Kevin Jones has been cleared to begin practicing.

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/huddleup/2008/08/kevin-jones-wil.html

 

having a 2nd running back is important, especially if the line will be as terrible asi think it will be.

 

and i don't think that williams was dropped by as many teams as everybody seems to think. he was projected just ahead of clady, but nobody had the opportunity to pass on him, really. he went right where he was projected to go.

[hawkeyecub]

You're right the scheme was nothing special. I was just saying that I don't think the passing numbers are an indictment of what the WR's were coached to do differently than the Bears. The personnel simply wasn't there for any of that to be a factor.

 

As far as the salary goes, the Vikings overpaid but they had to. They had a glaring need for anything resembling a #1 WR and had the cap space.

 

I liked BB, but he has a ways to go before he is a Chad Johnson or Larry Fitz for that matter. Part of me is upset the Bears didnt give him the salary the Vikings did, but then again I dont really think he was irreplaceable.

 

Well that's good because I've never seen anyone say he is or ever will be Chad Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald.

 

Again as far as the #1 argument, his production and career path would rank him inside the top 25 WR's in the game. I think people have this idea that a #1 WR has to be in the level of Moss, Owens, Fitzgerald, Chad, etc... Just like when people say "he's not a starting NFL QB" about practically everyone outside of the top 10 QB's in the league. Well there are 32 teams.

 

He's paid what the market dictated. If the Vikings didn't give him that coin, someone else was going to come close. There aren't dozens of WR's with his tools, production and at his age who become free agents.

It's really not a big deal. It's not like you're locked into bad contracts in the NFL and can't wiggle out. They had tons of cap space and a glaring need so they paid what they had to to get the deal done. The Vikings (Brezinski) are wizards about always coming in way under the cap. It's nice to have an owner that will actually spend.

[Magnetic Curses]

You're right the scheme was nothing special. I was just saying that I don't think the passing numbers are an indictment of what the WR's were coached to do differently than the Bears. The personnel simply wasn't there for any of that to be a factor.

 

As far as the salary goes, the Vikings overpaid but they had to. They had a glaring need for anything resembling a #1 WR and had the cap space.

 

I liked BB, but he has a ways to go before he is a Chad Johnson or Larry Fitz for that matter. Part of me is upset the Bears didnt give him the salary the Vikings did, but then again I dont really think he was irreplaceable.

 

Well that's good because I've never seen anyone say he is or ever will be Chad Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald.

 

Again as far as the #1 argument, his production and career path would rank him inside the top 25 WR's in the game. I think people have this idea that a #1 WR has to be in the level of Moss, Owens, Fitzgerald, Chad, etc... Just like when people say "he's not a starting NFL QB" about practically everyone outside of the top 10 QB's in the league. Well there are 32 teams.

 

He's paid what the market dictated. If the Vikings didn't give him that coin, someone else was going to come close. There aren't dozens of WR's with his tools, production and at his age who become free agents.

It's really not a big deal. It's not like you're locked into bad contracts in the NFL and can't wiggle out. They had tons of cap space and a glaring need so they paid what they had to to get the deal done. The Vikings (Brezinski) are wizards about always coming in way under the cap. It's nice to have an owner that will actually spend.

 

it's definitely nice to have an owner that will spend, but the bears and pack have still dominated the division over the last several years and done it cheaply.

 

the vikings have made some key acquisitions the last few years but it's gotten them relatively nowhere. they're definitely a defense that rivals what chicago and green bay will put on the field, but they may have the worst starting qb in the nfl, regardless of who wins chicago's starting job. berrian's a good receiver, but if he thinks that jackson will get him the ball more effectively than grossman, orton, or griese did last year, he's in for a rude awakening.

[hawkeyecub]

You're right the scheme was nothing special. I was just saying that I don't think the passing numbers are an indictment of what the WR's were coached to do differently than the Bears. The personnel simply wasn't there for any of that to be a factor.

 

As far as the salary goes, the Vikings overpaid but they had to. They had a glaring need for anything resembling a #1 WR and had the cap space.

 

I liked BB, but he has a ways to go before he is a Chad Johnson or Larry Fitz for that matter. Part of me is upset the Bears didnt give him the salary the Vikings did, but then again I dont really think he was irreplaceable.

 

Well that's good because I've never seen anyone say he is or ever will be Chad Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald.

 

Again as far as the #1 argument, his production and career path would rank him inside the top 25 WR's in the game. I think people have this idea that a #1 WR has to be in the level of Moss, Owens, Fitzgerald, Chad, etc... Just like when people say "he's not a starting NFL QB" about practically everyone outside of the top 10 QB's in the league. Well there are 32 teams.

 

He's paid what the market dictated. If the Vikings didn't give him that coin, someone else was going to come close. There aren't dozens of WR's with his tools, production and at his age who become free agents.

It's really not a big deal. It's not like you're locked into bad contracts in the NFL and can't wiggle out. They had tons of cap space and a glaring need so they paid what they had to to get the deal done. The Vikings (Brezinski) are wizards about always coming in way under the cap. It's nice to have an owner that will actually spend.

 

it's definitely nice to have an owner that will spend, but the bears and pack have still dominated the division over the last several years and done it cheaply.

 

the vikings have made some key acquisitions the last few years but it's gotten them relatively nowhere. they're definitely a defense that rivals what chicago and green bay will put on the field, but they may have the worst starting qb in the nfl, regardless of who wins chicago's starting job. berrian's a good receiver, but if he thinks that jackson will get him the ball more effectively than grossman, orton, or griese did last year, he's in for a rude awakening.

 

Well you can't spend your way to major success in the NFL. The Bears and Packers have been better because they drafted better. Some of the drafts with Tice in charge were just awful. Since Childress has stepped in they have drafted much, much better. That has also coincided with some nice free agent acquisitions to put them in position where they should make the playoffs and could get deep.

 

Chilly hooked his wagon to Tarvaris. This season will show us if he can get the job done or if we've wasted a few years with some really nice talent on defense, the o-line (at least 3/5ths) and the backfield. He made major progress last year and was a first-year starter. I'm cautiously optimistic that he can be solid this year with some more help on the outside and another year under his belt.

[UMFan83]

"That's right. It's where receivers go to die.''

--Carolina wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad on his time in Chicago. He returned to Carolina this offseason after a frustrating three-year run with the Bears

 

I guess he hates catching TDs in the Super Bowl.

[Magnetic Curses]

"That's right. It's where receivers go to die.''

--Carolina wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad on his time in Chicago. He returned to Carolina this offseason after a frustrating three-year run with the Bears

 

I guess he hates catching TDs in the Super Bowl.

 

moose was a punk, he always had some excuse as to why he wasn't performing, and he was never at fault.

[Banedon]

"That's right. It's where receivers go to die.''

--Carolina wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad on his time in Chicago. He returned to Carolina this offseason after a frustrating three-year run with the Bears

 

I guess he hates catching TDs in the Super Bowl.

 

moose was a punk, he always had some excuse as to why he wasn't performing, and he was never at fault.

 

If Moose was making every catch, I wouldn't have a problem with what he's saying here. The Bears have QB issues...not exactly top secret.

 

But he had a whole lot of drops that were on him and nobody else. Which makes this quote pretty tacky.

[jersey cubs fan]

"That's right. It's where receivers go to die.''

--Carolina wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad on his time in Chicago. He returned to Carolina this offseason after a frustrating three-year run with the Bears

 

I guess he hates catching TDs in the Super Bowl.

 

moose was a punk, he always had some excuse as to why he wasn't performing, and he was never at fault.

 

Always more interested in his television work than his pass catching. Tremendous disappointment and waste of money by Angelo.

[YearofDaCubs]

"That's right. It's where receivers go to die.''

--Carolina wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad on his time in Chicago. He returned to Carolina this offseason after a frustrating three-year run with the Bears

 

I guess he hates catching TDs in the Super Bowl.

 

moose was a punk, he always had some excuse as to why he wasn't performing, and he was never at fault.

Agreed. We should have never signed him in the first place though. There were better options available but Angelo decided to sign the over the hill one hit wonder.

[jersey cubs fan]

"That's right. It's where receivers go to die.''

--Carolina wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad on his time in Chicago. He returned to Carolina this offseason after a frustrating three-year run with the Bears

 

I guess he hates catching TDs in the Super Bowl.

 

moose was a punk, he always had some excuse as to why he wasn't performing, and he was never at fault.

 

If Moose was making every catch, I wouldn't have a problem with what he's saying here. The Bears have QB issues...not exactly top secret.

 

But he had a whole lot of drops that were on him and nobody else. Which makes this quote pretty tacky.

 

The funny thing is it wasn't all that inaccurate, Moose's career died whiel he was in Chicago. But what does that make Carolina, the place where dead WR go for the wake?

[Soul]

"That's right. It's where receivers go to die.''

--Carolina wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad on his time in Chicago. He returned to Carolina this offseason after a frustrating three-year run with the Bears

 

I guess he hates catching TDs in the Super Bowl.

 

moose was a punk, he always had some excuse as to why he wasn't performing, and he was never at fault.

 

If Moose was making every catch, I wouldn't have a problem with what he's saying here. The Bears have QB issues...not exactly top secret.

 

But he had a whole lot of drops that were on him and nobody else. Which makes this quote pretty tacky.

 

The funny thing is it wasn't all that inaccurate, Moose's career died whiel he was in Chicago. But what does that make Carolina, the place where dead WR go for the wake?

 

I guess it makes Carolina the same sort of place that Chicago is for Booker. The place that old receivers return to after they failed somewhere else.

 

He's telling the truth though. Moose has always had a big mouth, I guess we shouldn't expect him to shut it now.

[BigbadB]

Wow. Way to insert your foot in your mouth, Moose.

 

I was excited when the Bears signed Moose. I really thought he would be an ideal possession receiver with this weak passing attack the Bears employed during his tenure here. He didn't provide a boost at all. Truth be told, he pretty much sucked. And now he wants to run his mouth now that he's gone?

 

Who does he think he is? Randall Moss? T.O.? Ocho Cinco?

 

Dude, most fantasy leaguers don't even know who you are at this point in your career, Moose. Shut up already!

[jersey cubs fan]

Wow. Way to insert your foot in your mouth, Moose.

 

I was excited when the Bears signed Moose. I really thought he would be an ideal possession receiver with this weak passing attack the Bears employed during his tenure here. He didn't provide a boost at all. Truth be told, he pretty much sucked. And now he wants to run his mouth now that he's gone?

 

Who does he think he is? Randall Moss? T.O.? Ocho Cinco?

 

Dude, most fantasy leaguers don't even know who you are at this point in your career, Moose. Shut up already!

 

I remember at the time that I didn't realize how old he was until he signed. My first reaction was positive based on what little I knew, and the need for something at WR. However, he was clearly far from elite, or even second tier. But that's what happens when the GM and coaching staff can't develop their own offensive talent. It's similar to the line, where they had to overpay for Tait, then find near-retirement guys in Brown and Miller just to plug holes. Angelo's Tampa days were hindered by a lack of quality offensive linemen as well. This team needs to do whatever it can to bring in offensive-oriented coaches and/or personel people. I'm fine with being defense first, but you have to have something of quality on offense. Angelo and Smith will likely survive a bad 2008, but Turner cannot.

[Soul]

Agreed. We need to start developing/coaching offensive talent better or it's just not going to improve on that side of the ball.

 

I almost feel like we've let several players who might have been good wither on the vine. Next up on that list: Greg Olsen. I hope it doesn't happen, but what else could it be if Olsen doesn't become a solid TE in this league? Absolutely every indication out there said he had the skills to be great. Now it seems he's MIA every game.

 

I'm sure the list goes on. Look at a guy like Colombo. How come he goes to Dallas and suddenly blossoms? There are probably many other examples, including the legion of QBs we've tried to bring in here. Not one in what? 1,000 -- was any good? I find it more likely that at least a couple *were* good, but we couldn't get that out of them.

 

So frustrating being a fan of this team sometimes.

[BigbadB]

Agreed. We need to start developing/coaching offensive talent better or it's just not going to improve on that side of the ball.

 

I almost feel like we've let several players who might have been good wither on the vine. Next up on that list: Greg Olsen. I hope it doesn't happen, but what else could it be if Olsen doesn't become a solid TE in this league? Absolutely every indication out there said he had the skills to be great. Now it seems he's MIA every game.

 

I'm sure the list goes on. Look at a guy like Colombo. How come he goes to Dallas and suddenly blossoms? There are probably many other examples, including the legion of QBs we've tried to bring in here. Not one in what? 1,000 -- was any good? I find it more likely that at least a couple *were* good, but we couldn't get that out of them.

 

So frustrating being a fan of this team sometimes.

 

I was pretty high on Bobby Douglass and Vince Evans. After that, meh. And that was a really long time ago.

 

This team needs to get a legit signal caller, pronto. I've worn myself out wishing and hoping this team had a QB that was good for more than a game or two.

[Guest]

Agreed. We need to start developing/coaching offensive talent better or it's just not going to improve on that side of the ball.

 

I almost feel like we've let several players who might have been good wither on the vine. Next up on that list: Greg Olsen. I hope it doesn't happen, but what else could it be if Olsen doesn't become a solid TE in this league? Absolutely every indication out there said he had the skills to be great. Now it seems he's MIA every game.

 

I'm sure the list goes on. Look at a guy like Colombo. How come he goes to Dallas and suddenly blossoms? There are probably many other examples, including the legion of QBs we've tried to bring in here. Not one in what? 1,000 -- was any good? I find it more likely that at least a couple *were* good, but we couldn't get that out of them.

 

So frustrating being a fan of this team sometimes.

Colombo blossomed because he was actually healthy.