Does anyone trust Bob Howry?

[fromthestretch]

Does every response have to quote every post in the entire thread?

[fromthestretch]

That isn't oppents batting average, that's On base Average..LMAO, this is fun.

 

I think he was referring to on-base percentage the entire time.

[kjfoster 1553]

That isn't oppents batting average, that's On base Average..LMAO, this is fun.

 

I never said opp. batting average. Thanks though

[Guest]

It is mind boggling that Howry can still be on this roster and Wuertz is @ AAA. Mind boggling.

 

Wuertz is also terrible

Sadly, statisics would suggest otherwise.

 

Prior to last night Wuertz had a 5.40 ERA and a 1.80 WHIP in 5 appearances since his demotion.

 

Why aren't we counting last night?

[Jehrico]

Yeah, that is a great sample size there. Weurtz had a proven track record of "not being terrible". There is no point debating this. Weurtz is not terrible. Seriously.

 

You know who else had a proven track record of "not being terrible"? Bob Howry.

Exept for 2008 of course. Furthurmore, Weurtz wasn't even terrible when he was demoted, our manager just has ADD.

 

Howry minus 5 outings this year: 47.1 IP, 3.58 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 35/7 K/BB

Those numbers are absolutely atrocious given that you've removed his worst 5 outings. If you take all of the other relievers in the league that have 30+ outings this year, and you remove their 5 worst appearances, those numbers would probably rank in the bottom 20% of the league. Many mediocre relievers would have an ERA in the low 2s if you removed their 5 worst appearances.

 

If you removed Wuertz's 5 worst outings this year, his line is: 35.2IP, 4 ER, 1.01 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 23/12 K/BB, far superior to Howry's, other than he's walking a few more people. Even if you only removed two of his outings instead of five, his numbers are: 36.2 IP, 8 ER, 1.99 ERA, 24/14 K/BB.

 

Let's apply a little perspective to this argument...Both Howry and Wuertz have been solid to outstanding relievers from 2005-2007. Wuertz is going on 30, Howry is 6 years older. It is more likely that Wuertz's problems this year are an anomoly rather than a decline due to age. Howry, however, is the opposite case. There's more room for optimism that Wuertz can regroup and perform well the rest of the year than there is for Howry. Wuertz despite his "struggles" is performing almost perfectly in line with his career numbers. That said, I'd like to see consecutive good outings from him at Iowa to ensure there's nothing wrong with him, mentally or otherwise, before bringing him back up. If he can do that, I'd be shopping Howry or DFAing him at that point.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Howry minus 5 outings this year: 47.1 IP, 3.58 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 35/7 K/BB

Those numbers are absolutely atrocious given that you've removed his worst 5 outings. If you take all of the other relievers in the league that have 30+ outings this year, and you remove their 5 worst appearances, those numbers would probably rank in the bottom 20% of the league. Many mediocre relievers would have an ERA in the low 2s if you removed their 5 worst appearances.

 

If you removed Wuertz's 5 worst outings this year, his line is: 35.2IP, 4 ER, 1.01 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 23/12 K/BB, far superior to Howry's, other than he's walking a few more people. Even if you only removed two of his outings instead of five, his numbers are: 36.2 IP, 8 ER, 1.99 ERA, 24/14 K/BB.

 

We already applied that to Wuertz when we ignored the fact that he can't get out AAA hitters since his demotion. That was the point.

[Keener98]

No, there really is nothign to disagree about. Wuertz was not terrible in 2008. His demotion was based on bad outing he had vs. Cincy. He was actually lights out in May & June. Can we please operate with some facts here. Thanks.

 

Guess who else was lights out in May and June? Bob Howry.

 

Ill give you May, but if you consider 10IP 12hits 5 runs 5 ER's ERA 4.5 Whip of 1.3 and a batting average against of .300 as lights out in June, Id have to say thats ridiculous.

[Jehrico]

Howry minus 5 outings this year: 47.1 IP, 3.58 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 35/7 K/BB

Those numbers are absolutely atrocious given that you've removed his worst 5 outings. If you take all of the other relievers in the league that have 30+ outings this year, and you remove their 5 worst appearances, those numbers would probably rank in the bottom 20% of the league. Many mediocre relievers would have an ERA in the low 2s if you removed their 5 worst appearances.

 

If you removed Wuertz's 5 worst outings this year, his line is: 35.2IP, 4 ER, 1.01 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 23/12 K/BB, far superior to Howry's, other than he's walking a few more people. Even if you only removed two of his outings instead of five, his numbers are: 36.2 IP, 8 ER, 1.99 ERA, 24/14 K/BB.

 

We already applied that to Wuertz when we ignored the fact that he can't get out AAA hitters since his demotion. That was the point.

I addressed that. Ignoring Wuertz, even when you remove Howry's 5 worst appearances, he's still not doing very good. Also on the perspective piece, we're still trying to figure out what is wrong with Wuertz. We know what is wrong with Howry. 90mph straight fastball over the plate with nothing else in his arsenal. If that's all that Howry is bringing to the table nowadays, then there's only two real conclusions you can come to: 1) There's something wrong with him which is preventing him from throwing harder or throwing anything else, and he should be shut down, or 2) age is catching up to him and that is all that he has to offer, which means he should be done in this league.

[bukie]

Howry minus 5 outings this year: 47.1 IP, 3.58 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 35/7 K/BB

Those numbers are absolutely atrocious given that you've removed his worst 5 outings. If you take all of the other relievers in the league that have 30+ outings this year, and you remove their 5 worst appearances, those numbers would probably rank in the bottom 20% of the league. Many mediocre relievers would have an ERA in the low 2s if you removed their 5 worst appearances.

 

If you removed Wuertz's 5 worst outings this year, his line is: 35.2IP, 4 ER, 1.01 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 23/12 K/BB, far superior to Howry's, other than he's walking a few more people. Even if you only removed two of his outings instead of five, his numbers are: 36.2 IP, 8 ER, 1.99 ERA, 24/14 K/BB.

 

We already applied that to Wuertz when we ignored the fact that he can't get out AAA hitters since his demotion. That was the point.

Which he actually did a good job of last night, which made it odd that you ignored that when you posted his AAA numbers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No, there really is nothign to disagree about. Wuertz was not terrible in 2008. His demotion was based on bad outing he had vs. Cincy. He was actually lights out in May & June. Can we please operate with some facts here. Thanks.

 

Guess who else was lights out in May and June? Bob Howry.

 

Ill give you May, but if you consider 10IP 12hits 5 runs 5 ER's ERA 4.5 Whip of 1.3 and a batting average against of .300 as lights out in June, Id have to say thats ridiculous.

 

I was taking it as a whole. If we're doing monthly breakdowns, Wuertz's June is worse. WHIP over 2.00, 5 walks in 8.2 IP, BAA of .361 and OPS against of .929.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

We already applied that to Wuertz when we ignored the fact that he can't get out AAA hitters since his demotion. That was the point.

Which he actually did a good job of last night, which made it odd that you ignored that when you posted his AAA numbers.

 

I did so because the argument was that Wuertz replacing Howry is a move that should've been made long ago.

[Keener98]

No, there really is nothign to disagree about. Wuertz was not terrible in 2008. His demotion was based on bad outing he had vs. Cincy. He was actually lights out in May & June. Can we please operate with some facts here. Thanks.

 

Guess who else was lights out in May and June? Bob Howry.

 

Ill give you May, but if you consider 10IP 12hits 5 runs 5 ER's ERA 4.5 Whip of 1.3 and a batting average against of .300 as lights out in June, Id have to say thats ridiculous.

 

I was taking it as a whole. If we're doing monthly breakdowns, Wuertz's June is worse. WHIP over 2.00, 5 walks in 8.2 IP, BAA of .361 and OPS against of .929.

 

Hey Im not arguing for Wuertz Im just disagreeiing with the comment about Howry being lights out in June. Hes had 1 good month so far out of this season and thats it.

[Derwood]

monthly statistical breakdowns are pretty arbitrary

[bukie]

You can pretty much split any statistic and use a portion of it to prove anything. I just found it odd that the argument was essentially "Howry minus his 5 worst starts isn't that bad, and Wuertz can't get AAA hitters out if you don't include the appearances where he did."

 

Plainly broken down, for this year, the difference between Howry and Wuertz has been that they have both been below average relievers, except one lets a lot more guys on base, and the other gives up a lot more XBHs. The Cubs manager, given the choice, has shown time and again that he prefers the latter to the former (see: Hill, Rich). So, unless Wuertz can magically stop allowing so many guys to reach base, Lou will most likely stick with Howry.

[Keener98]

monthly statistical breakdowns are pretty arbitrary

 

 

Except when every month besides 1 shows hes been bad, its pretty safe to say hes been terrible for the better part of season.

[ctcf]

You suck, Bob Howry.

[Clem Fandango]

Glad we DFA'd the right guy

[TruffleShuffle]

Glad we DFA'd the right guy

 

me too

[Jehrico]

I say again, someone needs to pull a Tonya Harding on Bobby Howry. Even if it was already 1 September, I don't want him on my 40 man.

[Mizzou]

Lou HAS to stop using him in any role other than mop up until he shows he can get people out.

[inari]

I say again, someone needs to pull a Tonya Harding on Bobby Howry. Even if it was already 1 September, I don't want him on my 40 man.

 

Doesn't this cross the line just a little bit?

[imb]

I say again, someone needs to pull a Tonya Harding on Bobby Howry. Even if it was already 1 September, I don't want him on my 40 man.

 

Doesn't this cross the line just a little bit?

 

 

it's pretty lame, but NCCub talked about wanting to murder howry a couple of weeks ago, so I imagine it's ok. What i'm saying is that clearly nsbb doesn't want to have howry here for a chat anytime soon

[NCCubFan]

I say again, someone needs to pull a Tonya Harding on Bobby Howry. Even if it was already 1 September, I don't want him on my 40 man.

 

Doesn't this cross the line just a little bit?

If he's serious (which I don't think he is), yes.

[BigSlick]

I was threatening to Tonya Harding Jason Marquis earlier, so I hope its not a big deal

 

Honestly both of them could use the treatment

[Clem Fandango]

I was threatening to Tonya Harding Jason Marquis earlier, so I hope its not a big deal

 

Honestly both of them could use the treatment

 

So what you and Jericho are saying is you want Bob Howry and Jason Marquis to make a sex tape and leak it to the internet..........