Some stuff from Churchill Re: Harden/Burnett/Hudson etc....

[JWCUB]

Do you think the Blue Jays would take Cedeno and Weurtz and a low leval for Burnett?

 

That would be if the Harden trade went through. You could throw Marquis in the pen.

 

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Harden

Burnett

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[CuseCubFan69]

i mean, he's trying to find the next alex rios when he should be trying to find the next player who can put up a .900 ops in any season.

 

So is Colvin a small diamond or coal?

 

Too early to tell. His K percentage and BB percentage are getting much better lately.

 

2007 K percentage: 20.5%

2008 April through May 15th K percentage: 28.9%

2008 May 16th through present K percentage: 11.96%

 

2007 BB percentage: 3.05%

2008 April through May 15th BB percentage: 7.54%

2008 May 16th through present BB percentage: 10.87%

 

Unfortuantely, at the same time his batting average is way down this year, and the loss of all those singles is really killing his slugging (his ISOP is also down a little bit, but the batting average being down is the bigger cause of the really bad numbers). So he was actually more productive last year, but his peripherals are a lot better these last couple months. It's obvious the Cubs are working with him quite a bit to make him more comfortable deeper in counts.

 

Now when he gets more comfortable, will the batting average go back up a ways? Next year maybe? It's really hard to tell. All we know for sure right now is that he has shown the ability to hit for average last year. He has shown the ability to have a good K/BB percentage over the last couple months. What he hasn't done yet is put it together, and while I'm willing to give him a year or two before I write him off due to his adjustments, he can't be an exciting guy until he starts to put it together.

 

Thanks CCP. It seems to me that Wilken likes this type of player and if the new Cub system of working the count is taken advantage of by Colvin it'll help him in a lot of ways. I'd be surprised if some team wouldn't be interested in a former #1 pick.

[Magnetic Curses]

i mean, he's trying to find the next alex rios when he should be trying to find the next player who can put up a .900 ops in any season.

 

So is Colvin a small diamond or coal?

 

Too early to tell. His K percentage and BB percentage are getting much better lately.

 

2007 K percentage: 20.5%

2008 April through May 15th K percentage: 28.9%

2008 May 16th through present K percentage: 11.96%

 

2007 BB percentage: 3.05%

2008 April through May 15th BB percentage: 7.54%

2008 May 16th through present BB percentage: 10.87%

 

Unfortuantely, at the same time his batting average is way down this year, and the loss of all those singles is really killing his slugging (his ISOP is also down a little bit, but the batting average being down is the bigger cause of the really bad numbers). So he was actually more productive last year, but his peripherals are a lot better these last couple months. It's obvious the Cubs are working with him quite a bit to make him more comfortable deeper in counts.

 

Now when he gets more comfortable, will the batting average go back up a ways? Next year maybe? It's really hard to tell. All we know for sure right now is that he has shown the ability to hit for average last year. He has shown the ability to have a good K/BB percentage over the last couple months. What he hasn't done yet is put it together, and while I'm willing to give him a year or two before I write him off due to his adjustments, he can't be an exciting guy until he starts to put it together.

 

Thanks CCP. It seems to me that Wilken likes this type of player and if the new Cub system of working the count is taken advantage of by Colvin it'll help him in a lot of ways. I'd be surprised if some team wouldn't be interested in a former #1 pick.

 

i don't think that there's any hope for colvin. he is what he is, trying to radically change his approach will result in an even less productive player.

[CuseCubFan69]

i mean, he's trying to find the next alex rios when he should be trying to find the next player who can put up a .900 ops in any season.

 

So is Colvin a small diamond or coal?

 

Too early to tell. His K percentage and BB percentage are getting much better lately.

 

2007 K percentage: 20.5%

2008 April through May 15th K percentage: 28.9%

2008 May 16th through present K percentage: 11.96%

 

2007 BB percentage: 3.05%

2008 April through May 15th BB percentage: 7.54%

2008 May 16th through present BB percentage: 10.87%

 

Unfortuantely, at the same time his batting average is way down this year, and the loss of all those singles is really killing his slugging (his ISOP is also down a little bit, but the batting average being down is the bigger cause of the really bad numbers). So he was actually more productive last year, but his peripherals are a lot better these last couple months. It's obvious the Cubs are working with him quite a bit to make him more comfortable deeper in counts.

 

Now when he gets more comfortable, will the batting average go back up a ways? Next year maybe? It's really hard to tell. All we know for sure right now is that he has shown the ability to hit for average last year. He has shown the ability to have a good K/BB percentage over the last couple months. What he hasn't done yet is put it together, and while I'm willing to give him a year or two before I write him off due to his adjustments, he can't be an exciting guy until he starts to put it together.

 

Thanks CCP. It seems to me that Wilken likes this type of player and if the new Cub system of working the count is taken advantage of by Colvin it'll help him in a lot of ways. I'd be surprised if some team wouldn't be interested in a former #1 pick.

 

i don't think that there's any hope for colvin. he is what he is, trying to radically change his approach will result in an even less productive player.

 

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

[Guest]

i mean, he's trying to find the next alex rios when he should be trying to find the next player who can put up a .900 ops in any season.

 

So is Colvin a small diamond or coal?

 

Too early to tell. His K percentage and BB percentage are getting much better lately.

 

2007 K percentage: 20.5%

2008 April through May 15th K percentage: 28.9%

2008 May 16th through present K percentage: 11.96%

 

2007 BB percentage: 3.05%

2008 April through May 15th BB percentage: 7.54%

2008 May 16th through present BB percentage: 10.87%

 

Unfortuantely, at the same time his batting average is way down this year, and the loss of all those singles is really killing his slugging (his ISOP is also down a little bit, but the batting average being down is the bigger cause of the really bad numbers). So he was actually more productive last year, but his peripherals are a lot better these last couple months. It's obvious the Cubs are working with him quite a bit to make him more comfortable deeper in counts.

 

Now when he gets more comfortable, will the batting average go back up a ways? Next year maybe? It's really hard to tell. All we know for sure right now is that he has shown the ability to hit for average last year. He has shown the ability to have a good K/BB percentage over the last couple months. What he hasn't done yet is put it together, and while I'm willing to give him a year or two before I write him off due to his adjustments, he can't be an exciting guy until he starts to put it together.

 

Thanks CCP. It seems to me that Wilken likes this type of player and if the new Cub system of working the count is taken advantage of by Colvin it'll help him in a lot of ways. I'd be surprised if some team wouldn't be interested in a former #1 pick.

 

i don't think that there's any hope for colvin. he is what he is, trying to radically change his approach will result in an even less productive player.

 

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

Colvin is a 22-year old who was drafted out of Clemson.

[UK1679666180]

Colvin did go to college (Clemson). Until he has some sort of success, pitchers won't adjust to how they pitch to him.

[CoolHandLuke]

i mean, he's trying to find the next alex rios when he should be trying to find the next player who can put up a .900 ops in any season.

 

So is Colvin a small diamond or coal?

 

Too early to tell. His K percentage and BB percentage are getting much better lately.

 

2007 K percentage: 20.5%

2008 April through May 15th K percentage: 28.9%

2008 May 16th through present K percentage: 11.96%

 

2007 BB percentage: 3.05%

2008 April through May 15th BB percentage: 7.54%

2008 May 16th through present BB percentage: 10.87%

 

Unfortuantely, at the same time his batting average is way down this year, and the loss of all those singles is really killing his slugging (his ISOP is also down a little bit, but the batting average being down is the bigger cause of the really bad numbers). So he was actually more productive last year, but his peripherals are a lot better these last couple months. It's obvious the Cubs are working with him quite a bit to make him more comfortable deeper in counts.

 

Now when he gets more comfortable, will the batting average go back up a ways? Next year maybe? It's really hard to tell. All we know for sure right now is that he has shown the ability to hit for average last year. He has shown the ability to have a good K/BB percentage over the last couple months. What he hasn't done yet is put it together, and while I'm willing to give him a year or two before I write him off due to his adjustments, he can't be an exciting guy until he starts to put it together.

 

Thanks CCP. It seems to me that Wilken likes this type of player and if the new Cub system of working the count is taken advantage of by Colvin it'll help him in a lot of ways. I'd be surprised if some team wouldn't be interested in a former #1 pick.

 

i don't think that there's any hope for colvin. he is what he is, trying to radically change his approach will result in an even less productive player.

 

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

EDIT-TOO LATE SORRY

 

He's a high school kid in that he did at one time go to high school, but he isn't a high school kid in the sense that he was drafted out of high school.

 

Trying to change him is like trying to change a 22 year old college kid.

[Magnetic Curses]

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

sosa had a lot of power and finally adjusted to how pitchers were pitching him. it wasn't that big of an adjustment. when you have no power or discipline to begin with, you have nowhere to start.

 

plus sosa is one player out of how many?

[CuseCubFan69]

i mean, he's trying to find the next alex rios when he should be trying to find the next player who can put up a .900 ops in any season.

 

So is Colvin a small diamond or coal?

 

Too early to tell. His K percentage and BB percentage are getting much better lately.

 

2007 K percentage: 20.5%

2008 April through May 15th K percentage: 28.9%

2008 May 16th through present K percentage: 11.96%

 

2007 BB percentage: 3.05%

2008 April through May 15th BB percentage: 7.54%

2008 May 16th through present BB percentage: 10.87%

 

Unfortuantely, at the same time his batting average is way down this year, and the loss of all those singles is really killing his slugging (his ISOP is also down a little bit, but the batting average being down is the bigger cause of the really bad numbers). So he was actually more productive last year, but his peripherals are a lot better these last couple months. It's obvious the Cubs are working with him quite a bit to make him more comfortable deeper in counts.

 

Now when he gets more comfortable, will the batting average go back up a ways? Next year maybe? It's really hard to tell. All we know for sure right now is that he has shown the ability to hit for average last year. He has shown the ability to have a good K/BB percentage over the last couple months. What he hasn't done yet is put it together, and while I'm willing to give him a year or two before I write him off due to his adjustments, he can't be an exciting guy until he starts to put it together.

 

Thanks CCP. It seems to me that Wilken likes this type of player and if the new Cub system of working the count is taken advantage of by Colvin it'll help him in a lot of ways. I'd be surprised if some team wouldn't be interested in a former #1 pick.

 

i don't think that there's any hope for colvin. he is what he is, trying to radically change his approach will result in an even less productive player.

 

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

Colvin is a 22-year old who was drafted out of Clemson.

 

For some reason I was thinking he was a HS kid last year. That does change some of my thinking of him changing by the time he's 22 though!

[CuseCubFan69]

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

sosa had a lot of power and finally adjusted to how pitchers were pitching him. it wasn't that big of an adjustment. when you have no power or discipline to begin with, you have nowhere to start.

 

plus sosa is one player out of how many?

 

I realize Sosa isn't the rule but the exception but if Colvin has the tools to begin with (which I assume why he was a top pick) then he could or is suppose to develop into an impact hitter, just like Sosa was suppose to do.

[Guest]

i mean, he's trying to find the next alex rios when he should be trying to find the next player who can put up a .900 ops in any season.

 

So is Colvin a small diamond or coal?

 

Too early to tell. His K percentage and BB percentage are getting much better lately.

 

2007 K percentage: 20.5%

2008 April through May 15th K percentage: 28.9%

2008 May 16th through present K percentage: 11.96%

 

2007 BB percentage: 3.05%

2008 April through May 15th BB percentage: 7.54%

2008 May 16th through present BB percentage: 10.87%

 

Unfortuantely, at the same time his batting average is way down this year, and the loss of all those singles is really killing his slugging (his ISOP is also down a little bit, but the batting average being down is the bigger cause of the really bad numbers). So he was actually more productive last year, but his peripherals are a lot better these last couple months. It's obvious the Cubs are working with him quite a bit to make him more comfortable deeper in counts.

 

Now when he gets more comfortable, will the batting average go back up a ways? Next year maybe? It's really hard to tell. All we know for sure right now is that he has shown the ability to hit for average last year. He has shown the ability to have a good K/BB percentage over the last couple months. What he hasn't done yet is put it together, and while I'm willing to give him a year or two before I write him off due to his adjustments, he can't be an exciting guy until he starts to put it together.

 

Thanks CCP. It seems to me that Wilken likes this type of player and if the new Cub system of working the count is taken advantage of by Colvin it'll help him in a lot of ways. I'd be surprised if some team wouldn't be interested in a former #1 pick.

 

i don't think that there's any hope for colvin. he is what he is, trying to radically change his approach will result in an even less productive player.

 

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

Colvin is a 22-year old who was drafted out of Clemson.

 

For some reason I was thinking he was a HS kid last year. That does change some of my thinking of him changing by the time he's 22 though!

 

Last year's first rounder was a HS kid - Josh Vitters from Anaheim. Tyler Colvin was picked in the first round in 2006.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Here's more on the Cubs' pursuit of Harden.

 

The Cubs, who were rumored to be interested in Sabathia, now need to move on to plan B. That means Rich Harden or A.J. Burnett, the best option being Harden but the cheaper option being Burnett.

 

The Cubs have been in talks with the A's for almost a month and no deal has been done. The price for Harden could be the same as the deal done by the A's and Diamondbacks for Dan Haren. That deal included five prospects including major league ready arms as well as two top 50 prospects.

 

Despite some reports, the Cubs have the players to get a deal done. It will basically be a matter of time.

[CuseCubFan69]

Colvin did go to college (Clemson). Until he has some sort of success, pitchers won't adjust to how they pitch to him.

 

I agree 100%. What is he failing to adjust too?

 

Ah, the heck with it...I don't want to hijack the thread as it's suppose to be about pitchers and trades. If you could post it on the Colvin thread in minors, I appreciate it.

[Magnetic Curses]

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

sosa had a lot of power and finally adjusted to how pitchers were pitching him. it wasn't that big of an adjustment. when you have no power or discipline to begin with, you have nowhere to start.

 

plus sosa is one player out of how many?

 

I realize Sosa isn't the rule but the exception but if Colvin has the tools to begin with (which I assume why he was a top pick) then he could or is suppose to develop into an impact hitter, just like Sosa was suppose to do.

 

again, colvin was a reach in the first. he reminded wilken of alex rios. i think wilken mentions the name alex rios to anyone who talks to him, and alex rios is a good player, but nobody to go around bragging about as the crown jewel of your scouting career.

[Hall7810]

Is "The Bleacher Report" reputable? I've never heard of it before.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

sosa had a lot of power and finally adjusted to how pitchers were pitching him. it wasn't that big of an adjustment. when you have no power or discipline to begin with, you have nowhere to start.

 

plus sosa is one player out of how many?

 

I realize Sosa isn't the rule but the exception but if Colvin has the tools to begin with (which I assume why he was a top pick) then he could or is suppose to develop into an impact hitter, just like Sosa was suppose to do.

 

again, colvin was a reach in the first. he reminded wilken of alex rios. i think wilken mentions the name alex rios to anyone who talks to him, and alex rios is a good player, but nobody to go around bragging about as the crown jewel of your scouting career.

 

IIRC, the Cubs also took him that high out of fear the Kenny Williams & the White Sox were going to take him with their pick.

[Guest]

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

sosa had a lot of power and finally adjusted to how pitchers were pitching him. it wasn't that big of an adjustment. when you have no power or discipline to begin with, you have nowhere to start.

 

plus sosa is one player out of how many?

 

I realize Sosa isn't the rule but the exception but if Colvin has the tools to begin with (which I assume why he was a top pick) then he could or is suppose to develop into an impact hitter, just like Sosa was suppose to do.

 

again, colvin was a reach in the first. he reminded wilken of alex rios. i think wilken mentions the name alex rios to anyone who talks to him, and alex rios is a good player, but nobody to go around bragging about as the crown jewel of your scouting career.

 

I'd have to guess Halladay is the crown jewel of his scouting career.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Is "The Bleacher Report" reputable? I've never heard of it before.

 

I have no idea. I just provided the link. Take all of it with a grain of salt.

[Guest]

Is "The Bleacher Report" reputable? I've never heard of it before.

 

I have no idea. I just provided the link. Take all of it with a grain of salt.

 

I take everything you say with a heaping of salt.

[Magnetic Curses]

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

sosa had a lot of power and finally adjusted to how pitchers were pitching him. it wasn't that big of an adjustment. when you have no power or discipline to begin with, you have nowhere to start.

 

plus sosa is one player out of how many?

 

I realize Sosa isn't the rule but the exception but if Colvin has the tools to begin with (which I assume why he was a top pick) then he could or is suppose to develop into an impact hitter, just like Sosa was suppose to do.

 

again, colvin was a reach in the first. he reminded wilken of alex rios. i think wilken mentions the name alex rios to anyone who talks to him, and alex rios is a good player, but nobody to go around bragging about as the crown jewel of your scouting career.

 

IIRC, the Cubs also took him that high out of fear the Kenny Williams & the White Sox were going to take him with their pick.

 

and that baffles me, why would you pick somebody out of fear that someone who has a lower pick than you is going to take him? that fits with wilken's logic, though.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Is "The Bleacher Report" reputable? I've never heard of it before.

 

I have no idea. I just provided the link. Take all of it with a grain of salt.

 

I take everything you say with a heaping of salt.

 

I can throw in some hot sauce too.

[UK1679666180]

Colvin did go to college (Clemson). Until he has some sort of success, pitchers won't adjust to how they pitch to him.

 

I agree 100%. What is he failing to adjust too?

 

Ah, the heck with it...I don't want to hijack the thread as it's suppose to be about pitchers and trades. If you could post it on the Colvin thread in minors, I appreciate it.

 

Good question and without even seeing him play, I couldn't tell you.

[RedFlash]

Is there any chance SF might be interested in dealing Cain?

 

None.

Thanks, Mr. Sabean!

 

Why would they trade him? They have a hell of a 1-2 with Lincecum and Cain, and can rebuild around those two. Why trade that away?

 

Don't forget that have a hard-throwing lefty, who they love in Jonathan Sanchez also on that roster, who I think COULD be better then Cain.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/pitching?team=sfo

 

Plus considering there top ten list, is either filled with players who are still atleast 3 yrs away (Angel Villalona, Nate Schierholtz), pitchers (Alderson, Bumgarner, Henry Sosa), or flat out borderline prospects (Eugenio Velez), they could use an influx of major league ready caliber players. I'm not saying they will give Cain away, but I think an offer starting with Gallagher and Pie could appeal to the Giants.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Here's more on the Cubs' pursuit of Harden.

 

The Cubs, who were rumored to be interested in Sabathia, now need to move on to plan B. That means Rich Harden or A.J. Burnett, the best option being Harden but the cheaper option being Burnett.

 

The Cubs have been in talks with the A's for almost a month and no deal has been done. The price for Harden could be the same as the deal done by the A's and Diamondbacks for Dan Haren. That deal included five prospects including major league ready arms as well as two top 50 prospects.

 

Despite some reports, the Cubs have the players to get a deal done. It will basically be a matter of time.

 

Do we have any top 50 prospects? So theyd essentially want 2 or 3 of Sean Marshall, Sean Gallagher, Donie Veal, Mitch Atkins, Kevin Hart, and Jeff Samardzjia and 2 or 3 of Wellington Castillo, Tyler Colvin, Felix Pie and Josh Vitters. Pass.

[Magnetic Curses]

Didn't Sosa radically change his approach? He's a HS kid and he's still young. I'm not saying he will be able to do so but it's best to have him be this age than a 23 year old college kid and trying to change him.

 

sosa had a lot of power and finally adjusted to how pitchers were pitching him. it wasn't that big of an adjustment. when you have no power or discipline to begin with, you have nowhere to start.

 

plus sosa is one player out of how many?

 

I realize Sosa isn't the rule but the exception but if Colvin has the tools to begin with (which I assume why he was a top pick) then he could or is suppose to develop into an impact hitter, just like Sosa was suppose to do.

 

again, colvin was a reach in the first. he reminded wilken of alex rios. i think wilken mentions the name alex rios to anyone who talks to him, and alex rios is a good player, but nobody to go around bragging about as the crown jewel of your scouting career.

 

I'd have to guess Halladay is the crown jewel of his scouting career.

 

and halladay would have been the answer to an obscure trivia question had he not changed everything about his delivery after being demoted to single-a and finding the right coach.