Olney: Cubs Will Be Aggressive

[Sammy Sofa]

Joking aside, what minor league players have any damn value for trading? They might be aggressive, but the quality of player they will get will probably not be up to our expectations if that is the pool we are trading from...

 

Sean Marshall, Kevin Hart, Jose Ceda, Donnie Veal and Welington Castillo probably have the highest value (depending on the team, Tyler Colvin too). Nothing that should net CC or Harden, though.

 

I'd have to assume Hill or Gallagher would also be available. Why would their value be so low?

[USSoccer]

God our system sucks.

[Guest]

Joking aside, what minor league players have any damn value for trading? They might be aggressive, but the quality of player they will get will probably not be up to our expectations if that is the pool we are trading from...

 

Sean Marshall, Kevin Hart, Jose Ceda, Donnie Veal and Welington Castillo probably have the highest value (depending on the team, Tyler Colvin too). Nothing that should net CC or Harden, though.

 

I'd have to assume Hill or Gallagher would also be available. Why would their value be so low?

 

Gallagher's got to have more value than anyone besides Marshall and maybe Ceda, I was just listing the minor leaguers. I have no clue how teams would value Rich Hill.

[treyZz]

God our system sucks.

 

Blame Tim Wilken for drafting the same low-ceiling college 2nd baseman over and over.

[UMFan83]

So if Jim Hendry was like "I freaking want CC Sabathia, and every player not on our 25 man roster is available" we still won't be able to get CC in your guys opinions?

[Balsa]

So if Jim Hendry was like "I freaking want CC Sabathia, and every player not on our 25 man roster is available" we still won't be able to get CC in your guys opinions?

Not unless any other teams are interested, probably not.

 

Although, it IS a trade for CC in his contract year (plus the draft picks if he doesn't sign). So that MIGHT make him affordable.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If we're really willing to give up almost any package of minor leaguers, I'd say it'd be borderline whether we'd have enough. Not impossible.

[17 Seconds]

And this is why choosing Colvin over Snider hurts so much. Think of how good Snider would look as trade bait right now.

[TheDude]

This message board has a history of freaking out over any top 50 guy in the farm getting traded, so I'll wait and see if I believe all these comments about lack of attachment. You would think Matt Murton was Jay Bruce based on the dozens of pages of posts on his mistreatment and lack of opportunity by the Cubs.

 

Anyway, I'm all for the Cubs going out and getting upgrades. This team is too good not to risk all in this year.

[Backtobanks]

I'm tired of reading how the Cubs have no prospects to trade. Depending on what the other team needs and who they're trading to us, I would think names like Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Marshall, Gallagher, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie, Fontenot, and Hart would have some value, especially since many of those players have had some success in the majors.

[twothousandfive]

names like Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Marshall, Gallagher, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie, Fontenot, and Hart would have some value

 

They would, but Gallagher currently is a starting pitcher for the Cubs, they will need someone to replace marquis in a matter of weeks (let's say that's Marshall) and one Cedeno/Patterson/Fotenot is the back-up infielder. (let's say that's Fontenot)

 

Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie is not real compelling except for an Expos/Marlins sort of tank job with nothing but minimal payroll in mind.

 

Thankfully, the Cubs don't need much, but if Zambrano is out for a while Hill, Marshall, Gallagher become even more important -- they might need 2 pitchers back in exchange for those three.

[Jehrico]

I'm tired of reading how the Cubs have no prospects to trade. Depending on what the other team needs and who they're trading to us, I would think names like Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Marshall, Gallagher, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie, Fontenot, and Hart would have some value, especially since many of those players have had some success in the majors.

All of those guys have enough value to net some decent players like Raul Ibanez or so. If you want to go after an ace like CC, then you need one of baseball's top prospects as a centerpiece for a package. Very few GMs will trade a star for a quantify of good, but not great, players. It's too bad that we can't trade future draft picks like in the NBA, that would certainly help us this year.

[Soul]

I'm tired of reading how the Cubs have no prospects to trade. Depending on what the other team needs and who they're trading to us, I would think names like Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Marshall, Gallagher, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie, Fontenot, and Hart would have some value, especially since many of those players have had some success in the majors.

All of those guys have enough value to net some decent players like Raul Ibanez or so. If you want to go after an ace like CC, then you need one of baseball's top prospects as a centerpiece for a package. Very few GMs will trade a star for a quantify of good, but not great, players. It's too bad that we can't trade future draft picks like in the NBA, that would certainly help us this year.

 

I, for one, don't think we need CC even if Z is out for an extended period of time. We just need someone who can post decent numbers to keep us in games. Our offense should take over from there -- especially when Sori comes back and even more when he gets hot. We've been winning many ballgames like this in '08, even when Z has been on the mound.

 

There's also Hill/Marshall -- 2 guys who should still be able to give us some quality starts this year.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

More indications the Cubs will be looking to make a deal...

 

More significantly, Hendry said he's got the cash necessary to do anything possible to win the World Series.

 

"At $120-something million on our payroll, I'd have to get something cleared to add a lot more (payroll)," Hendry said. "But I've been assured that if we need to add a piece or two, we'll be able to do it.

 

"There's no doubt we have the money to get something done if we need it."

 

Link.

[anabiono]

More indications the Cubs will be looking to make a deal...

 

More significantly, Hendry said he's got the cash necessary to do anything possible to win the World Series.

 

"At $120-something million on our payroll, I'd have to get something cleared to add a lot more (payroll)," Hendry said. "But I've been assured that if we need to add a piece or two, we'll be able to do it.

 

"There's no doubt we have the money to get something done if we need it."

 

Link.

 

oh my goodness...

 

:yahoo:

[shnsajax]

I'm tired of reading how the Cubs have no prospects to trade. Depending on what the other team needs and who they're trading to us, I would think names like Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Marshall, Gallagher, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie, Fontenot, and Hart would have some value, especially since many of those players have had some success in the majors.

 

We have plenty of prospects to trade. The problem is we have no prospects we absolutely have to keep.

[shnsajax]

More indications the Cubs will be looking to make a deal...

 

More significantly, Hendry said he's got the cash necessary to do anything possible to win the World Series.

 

"At $120-something million on our payroll, I'd have to get something cleared to add a lot more (payroll)," Hendry said. "But I've been assured that if we need to add a piece or two, we'll be able to do it.

 

"There's no doubt we have the money to get something done if we need it."

 

Link.

 

oh my goodness...

 

:yahoo:

 

That really makes me think we are going to get another pitcher.

[snoodmonger]

If we could live with parting ways with Les Walrond, we can make it through anything.

 

Personally, I'm still not over that.

[Magnetic Curses]

More indications the Cubs will be looking to make a deal...

 

More significantly, Hendry said he's got the cash necessary to do anything possible to win the World Series.

 

"At $120-something million on our payroll, I'd have to get something cleared to add a lot more (payroll)," Hendry said. "But I've been assured that if we need to add a piece or two, we'll be able to do it.

 

"There's no doubt we have the money to get something done if we need it."

 

Link.

 

oh my goodness...

 

:yahoo:

 

i don't know if that should elicit such an emoticon. he says that all the time, that's like his standard line of bs.

 

money is not prospects, most teams want prospects in addition to money in return for their talent.

[Backtobanks]

names like Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Marshall, Gallagher, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie, Fontenot, and Hart would have some value

 

They would, but Gallagher currently is a starting pitcher for the Cubs, they will need someone to replace marquis in a matter of weeks (let's say that's Marshall) and one Cedeno/Patterson/Fotenot is the back-up infielder. (let's say that's Fontenot)

 

Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie is not real compelling except for an Expos/Marlins sort of tank job with nothing but minimal payroll in mind.

 

Thankfully, the Cubs don't need much, but if Zambrano is out for a while Hill, Marshall, Gallagher become even more important -- they might need 2 pitchers back in exchange for those three.

 

I disagree. I think any team rebuilding with young players might look at Cedeno, Murton, Hill, Hart, and Marshall. I think all 4 of them could be starting on a rebuilding team. If a team is looking to the future, Pie, Patterson, Veal, and/or Colvin look to be major league starters. Gallagher is the only player named who is currently playing a significant role on this team. You can't expect every prospect to be Jay Bruce.

[Backtobanks]

I'm tired of reading how the Cubs have no prospects to trade. Depending on what the other team needs and who they're trading to us, I would think names like Cedeno, Murton, Veal, Marshall, Gallagher, Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie, Fontenot, and Hart would have some value, especially since many of those players have had some success in the majors.

All of those guys have enough value to net some decent players like Raul Ibanez or so. If you want to go after an ace like CC, then you need one of baseball's top prospects as a centerpiece for a package. Very few GMs will trade a star for a quantify of good, but not great, players. It's too bad that we can't trade future draft picks like in the NBA, that would certainly help us this year.

 

If you read the Sabathia thread, two scouts were discussing what the price for Sabathia would be and 2 major league ready prospects (and possibly a 3rd lower level prospect) was the consensus. Depending on their needs, I would describe Cedeno, Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, and Hart as major league ready with Patterson, Colvin, Hill, Pie, and Veal major league ready in a year or two. Again "major league ready" doesn't necessarily mean Bruce or Longoria.

[Mizzou]

With all this talk about Harden, I think you have to keep in mind that the A's are only 3.5 games out of first right now.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

With all this talk about Harden, I think you have to keep in mind that the A's are only 3.5 games out of first right now.

 

They also have a ton of starters that are pitching well, and a really bad offense. Trading Harden wouldn't give them a true ace, but they're longshots to make the playoffs anyway without another bat or two.

[Amazing_Grace]

If history is any indicator, Hendry won't target someone that everyone is in a bidding war over. He just rarely does that. Typically, he finds a player who is dissatisfied with his current team (Nomar), or is underperforming with another team (Barrett), and/or takes on payroll from teams trying to save money (Ramirez, Lofton, Lee). I'd bet he won't be looking at Sabathia long if he's even available as the bidding with the Yanks, Mets, and others, could be huge.

 

Burnett for one of Murton/Cedeno/Patterson and Ceda would be a Hendry type move. So would a package of Bradley+Padilla for Murton, Hill/Marshall, Ceda, and Patterson. Making decent trades is the one thing I have some faith in JH to do well, as it's the one thing he's done a fair job of during his tenure as GM. Other than Maddux for Izturis and the Kendall/Trachsel trades last season, his record has been pretty good on that front.

 

I heard the BBTN guys saying that the Mets and Cubs would both like to be aggressive but don't have much in the way of prospects to do it. They seemed to think the Cubs didn't have enough to go after a Sabathia or Bedard, but they mentioned Burnett. CC has Yankees written all over him. As for CF, assuming Edmonds cools off, I think the Cubs go after someone fairly mediocre and inexpensive like DeJesus or someone good but horribly overpaid (so that there are maybe only about 5 teams that could even think of doing the deal) like Vernon Wells or Carlos Beltran.

 

My predicition is that the Cubs will land AJ Burnett as their pitcher. If they want a lefty bat (and I can't see them giving up on that entirely), I think they'll revive the Roberts talks (anyone think the O's will get as much now as they could have gotten before the season) and either move Fukudome to CF, or possibly leave Edmonds there depending on how well he's doing. DeRosa can still get plenty of ABs playing every position on the field other than C and CF filling in for other guys, or he can be dealt for someone else if the opportunity is there.

[Vanilla Ice]

I think we get Burnett or Harden

Brewers get Sabathia