Bulls get the #1 pick! 2008 NBA Draft Discussion

[imb]

I saw Tskitishvilli play in an exhibition game against LA in OKC his rookie year.

 

He didn't play much, but he did clang THREE separate warm up shots from the corner off of the side of the backboard.

 

For the record, Beasley reminds me of Chris Webber with less handle/passing ability or a more rugged Derrick Coleman.

 

 

The Coleman comparison will go away after his first year in the Pro's. Book it!

 

Calling him a more rugged derrick coleman is a really high compliment.

[Guest]

I really don't see the Vin Baker, rynorules. Beasley is tough to peg, though.

 

Rose is the correct answer, though.

[SouthSideRyan]

Beasley can run the court, he hustles, and his off the court issues are non-existant (Rick Morrisey).

 

I read something that said he was kicked out of a bunch of schools, yet only committed "minor" indiscretions like slashing car tires, graffiti and putting a dead rat on a teachers desk.

 

Okay, so he didn't rape anybody, good for him, but that's some serious signs of one screwed up prick.

 

 

That was in high school. He had NO incidents at KSU. Starting to think he's grown up quite a bit. Who doesn't screw around like that in high school? It's better than the alternative of gangs, drugs, booze etc..... He's never gotten in trouble with the law. He was a practical joker. As Frank Martin said, if those are the only issues you have to deal with with a kid, then I'll take those kind of issues ANY time.

 

How long was he in KSU?

 

Who doesn't screw around like that in high school? Most people. Graffiti isn't much of anything, but slashing tires, dead rats in teacher's desks, and getting kicked out of multiple schools? Those are not practical jokes. That's a prick with no regard for other humans. Give that person millions of dollars and you are most likely going to see more problems.

 

I'd say spray-painting a teacher's car window is pretty bad.

 

I love how it goes from writing with magic marker on a teachers car window to now spray painting it? Hilarious.

 

It was said he grafittied his teacher's car, it's what I assumed it was. I love how Frank Martin is the character witness and someone to be listened to about anything.

 

And I think Beasley's gonna be a really good pro, and don't think Rose is the slam dunk choice many are saying it should be. But enough with the excuse making, I know it's your school and all, but Beasley was a punk in high school. It wasn't boys being boys, that's not normal behavior.

[Guest]

slashing car tires is a practical joke? you have to be kidding.

[RynoRules]

I really don't see the Vin Baker, rynorules. Beasley is tough to peg, though.

 

Rose is the correct answer, though.

 

I don't really either. Webber is probably a better comparison. Of course, Xavier McDaniel put up a similar stat line to Beasley....

[RynoRules]

 

as far as being a hard-worker, there's no way that anyone here can predict that any draftee will be, for sure, a hard-worker in the nba. so, that's all conjecture.

 

That's true, but the early returns (his rep from college and HS) are not promising. No one is questioning Rose in that manner, to the best of my knowledge.

 

In any case, we need a guard who can create for himself and others. Rose is the answer.

[Jehrico]

I like the idea of us getting both. Between our salary exception, Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng, we should be able to come up with enough to entice Miami. Trade all three to other teams for picks, then roll those picks up and offer them to Miami for the other. Throw out a front court rotation with TT, Noah, Beasly and Gooden while Rose, Thabo, and Hughes rotate through the back court. Accept another year of rebuilding unless you can find a way to do this while keeping Deng (and he has the kind of year next year that we were expecting this year).

 

Does anyone else think there's no way Duhon stays on to be the backup PG?

[RedFlash]

I like the idea of us getting both. Between our salary exception, Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng, we should be able to come up with enough to entice Miami. Trade all three to other teams for picks, then roll those picks up and offer them to Miami for the other. Throw out a front court rotation with TT, Noah, Beasly and Gooden while Rose, Thabo, and Hughes rotate through the back court. Accept another year of rebuilding unless you can find a way to do this while keeping Deng (and he has the kind of year next year that we were expecting this year).

 

Does anyone else think there's no way Duhon stays on to be the backup PG?

 

Duhon stays on with the Bulls under this scenerio: the Bulls draft Rose, and trades Hinrich (unless trading Hinrich to a team like Portland for a guard like Rodriguez or Jack or Blake as part of the package back). Otheriwse, Thabo has enough ball handling skills to play backup PG.

And I like th idea of trading for the 2nd pick, and I hope Paxson thinks outside the box and gets it done. Heck, even if the Bulls can't trade for the #2 pick, (I believe they can, but they have to get creative) if they could trade for another Top 15 pick (to take a kid like Speights, or Jordan, or even McGee) would be a nice get for Paxson, and a nice summer for Paxs.

 

We will see how the summer plays out.

[Derwood]

i prefer this Beasley:

 

http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/images/photos/scet/423/gen_genral_056.jpg

[jiml60]

Trading for the second pick is not going to happen. Especially including Hinrich in that scenario. Hinrich (11.2m) and Nocioni (8m) are Base-year compensation players until June 30. Which means that his salary counts as half towards the Bulls while the full amount for the team receiving him. So a team would have to take on their whole salary while giving up a player or pick that is significantly less.

[Jehrico]

Trading for the second pick is not going to happen. Especially including Hinrich in that scenario. Hinrich (11.2m) and Nocioni (8m) are Base-year compensation players until June 30. Which means that his salary counts as half towards the Bulls while the full amount for the team receiving him. So a team would have to take on their whole salary while giving up a player or pick that is significantly less.

That's where our exception would have to come into play. I firmly believe that we have enough good, replaceable players and enough financial flexibility to get that pick if Pax really wanted to go that way.

[Guest]

I really wouldn't want to go after a rookie PG and a rookie PF, especially if you have veterans possible at both positions. It is creative, but you better believe they are head and shoulders better than other potential targets in free agency and the trade block to go that route.

[tadowdaddy]

slashing car tires is a practical joke? you have to be kidding.

 

I've never once heard anything of this until this thread... Show me where this happened and I'll give it to you.

[CubColtPacer]

slashing car tires is a practical joke? you have to be kidding.

 

I've never once heard anything of this until this thread... Show me where this happened and I'll give it to you.

 

He told Sports Illustrated his misdeeds never went beyond slashing tires, writing graffiti or placing a dead rat in a teacher's desk drawer.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=195450

[Derwood]

so do we pick Beasley now that Noah got arrested?

[Guest]

so do we pick Beasley now that Noah got arrested?

 

Beasley is no saint (actually, this could hurt Beasley) and they play two different positions.

[RedFlash]

so do we pick Beasley now that Noah got arrested?

 

Derrek Rose will be the pick no matter what. The sooner you realize this, the less disapointment you'll feel when the Bulls take the better player in Rose.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

as far as being a hard-worker, there's no way that anyone here can predict that any draftee will be, for sure, a hard-worker in the nba. so, that's all conjecture.

 

That's true, but the early returns (his rep from college and HS) are not promising. No one is questioning Rose in that manner, to the best of my knowledge.

 

In any case, we need a guard who can create for himself and others. Rose is the answer.

 

except to get to rose you have to deal with his brother, who is a real piece of work.

[Derwood]

so do we pick Beasley now that Noah got arrested?

 

Derrek Rose will be the pick no matter what. The sooner you realize this, the less disapointment you'll feel when the Bulls take the better player in Rose.

 

i've been pro-Rose the whole time. not sure where you thought i was pro-Beasley

[Magnetic Curses]

first of all, it's "derrick" rose, second of all, saying he's the better player doesn't make it so.

 

the only real, substantial, provable argument we have is statistics, and beasley destroys everyone in this category. it's not like he played in conference usa, either.

 

beasley dominated the competition and rose gets credited as the better player for it. what a joke.

[wolf stansson]

Boers and Bernstein say it is Rose. I usually just go with what they say because I have rdunk two bottles of delicioush red wine from rhone and it is starting to hit me right now.

 

DERRICK ROSE SAHN.

[Guest]

first of all, it's "derrick" rose, second of all, saying he's the better player doesn't make it so.

 

the only real, substantial, provable argument we have is statistics, and beasley destroys everyone in this category. it's not like he played in conference usa, either.

 

beasley dominated the competition and rose gets credited as the better player for it. what a joke.

 

Why would we use stats at the college level to determine who's better?

[RedFlash]

first of all, it's "derrick" rose, second of all, saying he's the better player doesn't make it so.

 

Whatever on the spelling of his name. Once he becomes a Bull, I will remember to spell it correct.

 

the only real, substantial, provable argument we have is statistics, and beasley destroys everyone in this category. it's not like he played in conference usa, either.

 

Stats don't always tell the whole story. I know people fall in love with the "numbers" and all, I will give Beasley props for his frosh season. All the stats says is that is "on the court" wise, Beasley had a better individual season then Rose. Nothing more/nothing less. I mean Glenn Robinson had better numbers then Jason Kidd, but who had a better NBA career? Glenn was a good NBA player, Kidd is a HOF. (Pac 10 .v. Big 10 debate in basketball here) SAR had better college numbers then Ray Allen. Who would you rather have? I know that this is an apples .v. oranges debate, comparing the Beasley/Rose to the Robinson/Kidd and SAR/Allen, but to simple truth is...college stats don't necessarily mean anything about who was a better player.

Throwing college stats in this debate on who is a better player (or a better fit) is like saying to W/L record is the end all measurement to a pitchers' worth to a team. People think I don't want Beasley (and if Beasley was a legit 6'10, he's a no-brainer), but I believe---if you look beyond the stats---Rose was a better player. Beasley look good on the ESPN highlights, but Rose made his team so much better then Beasley.

 

 

beasley dominated the competition and rose gets credited as the better player for it. what a joke.

 

Not's in not. The joke is, that you think it's a joke. If I had the money, I would wager the fact that in 3 yrs (prolly less), Rose will be the better player from this draft. And let me say it again, if Beasley was a legit 6'10, he would be the no-brainer in this draft. My opinion is...after reading the writes ups on nbadraft.net:

 

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/michaelbeasley.html

http://nbadraft.net/profiles/dannygranger.asp

 

Very simlar writes up, IMO. The difference is Beasley being a better athlete. And the reason why Beasley had monster numbers is because KSU NEEDED him to put up those numbers. Bill Walker was the only other player even REMOTELY near Beasley in production this past season. So, KSU needed Beasley to be a monster, moreso then Memphis needing Rose to be a "mosnter." Cause without Beasley, KSU would have stunk to high heavens.

 

I am going to stand by my comment, and say Rose is the better player, and stats are not the end all to prove it. And it's not a joke. Rose will be the #1 pick of the Bulls, and in two yrs, he will have the NBA envious of the Bulls, because they would have arguably the best PG in the business. Whereas, depending on where he goes, I could see Beasley (due to his size) struggle for awhile, before settling in.

[Magnetic Curses]

first of all, it's "derrick" rose, second of all, saying he's the better player doesn't make it so.

 

the only real, substantial, provable argument we have is statistics, and beasley destroys everyone in this category. it's not like he played in conference usa, either.

 

beasley dominated the competition and rose gets credited as the better player for it. what a joke.

 

Why would we use stats at the college level to determine who's better?

 

what other, more telling predictor do you have? i didn't come out and say that beasley was the better player, i just said that you can't say that rose is the better player based on anything.

[Magnetic Curses]

Stats don't always tell the whole story. I know people fall in love with the "numbers" and all, I will give Beasley props for his frosh season. All the stats says is that is "on the court" wise, Beasley had a better individual season then Rose. Nothing more/nothing less. I mean Glenn Robinson had better numbers then Jason Kidd, but who had a better NBA career? Glenn was a good NBA player, Kidd is a HOF. (Pac 10 .v. Big 10 debate in basketball here) SAR had better college numbers then Ray Allen. Who would you rather have? I know that this is an apples .v. oranges debate, comparing the Beasley/Rose to the Robinson/Kidd and SAR/Allen, but to simple truth is...college stats don't necessarily mean anything about who was a better player.

Throwing college stats in this debate on who is a better player (or a better fit) is like saying to W/L record is the end all measurement to a pitchers' worth to a team. People think I don't want Beasley (and if Beasley was a legit 6'10, he's a no-brainer), but I believe---if you look beyond the stats---Rose was a better player. Beasley look good on the ESPN highlights, but Rose made his team so much better then Beasley.

 

and i don't see any real, substantial, convincing evidence to support your case. all that's being said is that rose is the better player. well, why is rose the better player?

 

beasley scored over 26 ppg in 31 mpg. that's seriously impressive and shows me that he can put th eball in the hole. his rebounds show me that he was a dominant post presence and watching him play shows me that he was both physically superior to everyone in college basketball and a good perimeter player.

 

there are not many players with his skillset.