hill to be skipped; injured in 5/16 AAA start

[abuck1220]

Hill, who will be skipped in his next start so the Cubs can throw their three right-handers against Milwaukee, threw five shutout innings before Clint Barmes led off the sixth with a leadoff homer, igniting a five-run rally.

 

ri-friggin-diculous.

Edited May 17, 2008 by abuck1220

[soapy]

dumb

[brinoch]

Hill, who will be skipped in his next start so the Cubs can throw their three right-handers against Milwaukee, threw five shutout innings before Clint Barmes led off the sixth with a leadoff homer, igniting a five-run rally.

 

ri-friggin-diculous.

 

Milwaukee has a significantly better split against lefties than they do against righties:

vs. RHP: .232 .298 .358 .656

vs. LHP: .290 .354 .534 .888

[bring stone back]

Hill, who will be skipped in his next start so the Cubs can throw their three right-handers against Milwaukee, threw five shutout innings before Clint Barmes led off the sixth with a leadoff homer, igniting a five-run rally.

 

ri-friggin-diculous.

 

Milwaukee has a significantly better split against lefties than they do against righties:

vs. RHP: .232 .298 .358 .656

vs. LHP: .290 .354 .534 .888

 

Don't insert logic into these discussions. It's much funner to call everyone in the organization stupid.

[Soul]

Hill, who will be skipped in his next start so the Cubs can throw their three right-handers against Milwaukee, threw five shutout innings before Clint Barmes led off the sixth with a leadoff homer, igniting a five-run rally.

 

ri-friggin-diculous.

 

Milwaukee has a significantly better split against lefties than they do against righties:

vs. RHP: .232 .298 .358 .656

vs. LHP: .290 .354 .534 .888

 

wow they really do suck against righties. I didn't know that.

[abuck1220]

Hill, who will be skipped in his next start so the Cubs can throw their three right-handers against Milwaukee, threw five shutout innings before Clint Barmes led off the sixth with a leadoff homer, igniting a five-run rally.

 

ri-friggin-diculous.

 

Milwaukee has a significantly better split against lefties than they do against righties:

vs. RHP: .232 .298 .358 .656

vs. LHP: .290 .354 .534 .888

 

Don't insert logic into these discussions. It's much funner to call everyone in the organization stupid.

 

since you're such a big fan of logic, i'll mention that we're 20 games into the season, so i probably wouldn't be crapping myself over their splits.

 

secondly, hill's good and marquis sucks, so logically speaking, i'd probably want the good pitcher to have more starts.

[soapy]

i'd bet a sizable amount they wouldn't do that if it was lilly.

 

what does "skipped" really even mean? will he just pitch the first game against St. Louis? maybe i'm not fully awake yet, but what three righties are going to go against Milwaukee if Marquis is pitching today?

[bukie]

i'd bet a sizable amount they wouldn't do that if it was lilly.

 

what does "skipped" really even mean? will he just pitch the first game against St. Louis? maybe i'm not fully awake yet, but what three righties are going to go against Milwaukee if Marquis is pitching today?

 

Marquis, Zambrano and Dempster. They play Washington next, then have a day off, then Milwaukee.

[soapy]

FWIW, three year splits vs. MIL:

 

Marquis: 4.17 ERA/ 45.1 IP/ 45 H/ 25 K/ .259 BAA

Hill: 3.86 ERA/ 35 IP/ 25 H/ 38K/ .200 BAA

[soapy]

i'd bet a sizable amount they wouldn't do that if it was lilly.

 

what does "skipped" really even mean? will he just pitch the first game against St. Louis? maybe i'm not fully awake yet, but what three righties are going to go against Milwaukee if Marquis is pitching today?

 

Marquis, Zambrano and Dempster. They play Washington next, then have a day off, then Milwaukee.

 

yeah, i see now. i'm not smart. i was thinking milwaukee was next for some reason.

[Tyrant]

since you're such a big fan of logic, i'll mention that we're 20 games into the season, so i probably wouldn't be crapping myself over their splits.

 

It's just a continuation of last season.

 

2007 against lefties: .860 OPS

2007 against righties: .755 OPS

[bukie]

FWIW, three year splits vs. MIL:

 

Marquis: 4.17 ERA/ 45.1 IP/ 45 H/ 25 K/ .259 BAA

Hill: 3.86 ERA/ 35 IP/ 25 H/ 38K/ .200 BAA

 

The decision in the series wouldn't be Hill or Marquis (unless you are talking about which to skip), but bumping Hill down to the St. Louis series bumps Zambrano up to the last game of the Milwaukee series. Marquis was scheduled to pitch anyway.

[abuck1220]

since you're such a big fan of logic, i'll mention that we're 20 games into the season, so i probably wouldn't be crapping myself over their splits.

 

It's just a continuation of last season.

 

2007 against lefties: .860 OPS

2007 against righties: .755 OPS

 

hill 2007: very good

marquis 2007: crappy

[UK1679666180]

I don't like it, Lou seems to have a quick trigger with Hill and he's pitched well as of late. Give Marquis who fades throughout the year as well as Dempster who's going to get hit with dead arm as much time between starts as poss.

[Banedon]

since you're such a big fan of logic, i'll mention that we're 20 games into the season, so i probably wouldn't be crapping myself over their splits.

 

It's just a continuation of last season.

 

2007 against lefties: .860 OPS

2007 against righties: .755 OPS

 

hill 2007: very good

marquis 2007: crappy

 

Are you implying that all left handers, regardless of quality, wouldn't struggle agains the Brewers? And that all right handers regardless of quality wouldn't succeed?

 

Crazy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I was pretty harsh on the organization for the last time Hill was skipped, because it was asinine. I still don't get the whole "pull him after five innings or the first sign of trouble" kid gloves, either.

 

But this isn't really a "skipping," it's a simple, smart rotation shuffle for matchup purposes. The Brewers lineup, along with the Cubs', is one of the most brutal in the NL on lefty starters. And getting Zambrano an extra start against our true rivals for the division, the Brewers, is a smart move.

 

I'm not sure if they were really being smart, or if they are still idiots about Hill and idiot-lucked their way into the right decision, but this was the right decision.q

[abuck1220]

it's as if lou forgot hill's 2007 ever happened.

[brinoch]

It was present in 2007, as well, though these numbers are of limited utility given the personnel differences.

 

2007 MIL vs. RHP: .252 .316 .439 .755

2007 MIL vs. LHP: .288 .360 .499 .860

 

Here are the individual splits ( ignoring the Gwynn/Kapler platoon in CF) from 2007:

 

Rickie Weeks

2007 vs. RHP: .225 .352 .435 .787

2007 vs. LHP: .258 .421 .427 .849

 

Prince Fielder

2007 vs. RHP: .301 .414 .686 1.100

2007 vs. LHP: .261 .355 .479 .834

 

Ryan Braun

2007 vs. RHP: .282 .319 .526 .845

2007 vs. LHP: .450 .516 .964 1.480

 

Corey Hart

2007 vs. RHP: .278 .320 .504 .824

2007 vs. LHP: .331 .419 .613 1.032

 

J.J. Hardy

2007 vs. RHP: .264 .306 .423 .729

2007 vs. LHP: .316 .371 .579 .950

 

Bill Hall

2007 vs. RHP: .247 .305 .408 .713

2007 vs. LHP: .270 .335 .459 .795

 

Jason Kendall

2007 vs. RHP: .259 .315 .326 .641

2007 vs. LHP: .198 .261 .262 .523

[abuck1220]

i realize they're better against lefties. but i'd rather send a good lefty up against a team that hits lefties well than a bad rigthy up against a team that his righties ok.

 

if this were lilly, he would not be pushed back. right now, the cubs lack the type of #2 starter you're going to want for a playoff series. hill has the potential to be that guy, but it's not going to happen if they yank him after 5 innings every start and push him back every time a team that hits lefties pops up.

[illiniguy]

I prefer to start our best pitchers against Milwaukee. Hill is one of them, Marquis isn't.

[CubmanPi]

FWIW, three year splits vs. MIL:

 

Marquis: 4.17 ERA/ 45.1 IP/ 45 H/ 25 K/ .259 BAA

Hill: 3.86 ERA/ 35 IP/ 25 H/ 38K/ .200 BAA

How do those numbers change when the cutoff is from the beginning of 07? I think that's about as far back as you can fairly go in the comparison, though I suspect your point will stand.

[CUBZ99]

double post Edited April 24, 2008 by CUBZ99

[Sammy Sofa]

So shocked you did a triple-take?

[VanceJergins]

it's as if lou forgot hill's 2007 ever happened.

 

And his second half of 2006, and his beginning of 2008. He's been very good for awhile now. He had one bad (not terrible) start and all of a sudden he's Sean Marshall...Wait, that's not a good analogy, Marshall is good, too.

[Tracer Bullet]

I was pretty harsh on the organization for the last time Hill was skipped, because it was asinine. I still don't get the whole "pull him after five innings or the first sign of trouble" kid gloves, either.

 

But this isn't really a "skipping," it's a simple, smart rotation shuffle for matchup purposes. The Brewers lineup, along with the Cubs', is one of the most brutal in the NL on lefty starters. And getting Zambrano an extra start against our true rivals for the division, the Brewers, is a smart move.

 

I'm not sure if they were really being smart, or if they are still idiots about Hill and idiot-lucked their way into the right decision, but this was the right decision.q

 

Not really. You could skip either Hill or Marquis and Dempster and Z would start on regular rest and pitch against Mil. So Lou decided he'd rather skip Hill than skip Marquis.