Is it time to make Cedeno a starter?

[Chocolate Milk]

truffle comes in guns-a-blazin because he thinks one swing of theriot's bat has somehow validated his against all odds crusade against cedeno, and he got put in his place. get over it.

 

lol, is that what happened?

You're taking a hell of a beating in this thread, that's for sure. The ref might need to stop this fight before you get hurt.

[Sammy Sofa]

Glendon Rusch threw that complete game that one time.

[TruffleShuffle]

truffle comes in guns-a-blazin because he thinks one swing of theriot's bat has somehow validated his against all odds crusade against cedeno, and he got put in his place. get over it.

 

lol, is that what happened?

You're taking a hell of a beating in this thread, that's for sure. The ref might need to stop this fight before you get hurt.

 

next time I'll put my comments in green so that people know there was sarcasm involved. my mistake.

[imb]

truffle comes in guns-a-blazin because he thinks one swing of theriot's bat has somehow validated his against all odds crusade against cedeno, and he got put in his place. get over it.

 

lol, is that what happened?

You're taking a hell of a beating in this thread, that's for sure. The ref might need to stop this fight before you get hurt.

 

next time I'll put my comments in green so that people know there was sarcasm involved. my mistake.

 

put them in invisible

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I just wanted to see a post with green text

[C.C.]

I just wanted to see a post with green text

 

 

Bob Sanders is lame.

[TruffleShuffle]

I just wanted to see a post with green text

 

is that sarcastic?

[David]

lol yer an oriole

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I just wanted to see a post with green text

 

is that sarcastic?

maybe. I'm just really bored

[WilcoFan]

 

your condescension hurts my feelings.

 

 

and yeah, that "lineout" was not hit very hard.

 

I understand how desperate you seem to be to get last word in, so you may want to direct this comment at whomever made the lineout comment.

[brinoch]

Wow. We went from some great posts and some very good analysis to ... this.

[Tracer Bullet]

I just wanted to see a post with green text

 

is that sarcastic?

 

Is your Ronny Cedeno signature sarcastic?

[TruffleShuffle]

I just wanted to see a post with green text

 

is that sarcastic?

 

Is your Ronny Cedeno signature sarcastic?

 

is he green?

[javy knows my name]

I love the implication that sarcasm has to do with anything being green. Brilliant!

[abuck1220]

 

your condescension hurts my feelings.

 

 

and yeah, that "lineout" was not hit very hard.

 

I understand how desperate you seem to be to get last word in, so you may want to direct this comment at whomever made the lineout comment.

 

i wasn't trying to direct it at you, i just didn't want to make another post. man, you're sensitive.

[javy knows my name]

easy down there guys, you don't want colin wyers to experience chafing.

Ohh I get it, because we're fellating him

[David]

easy down there guys, you don't want colin wyers to experience chafing.

Ohh I get it, because we're fellating him

 

I see what he did there

[RedFlash]

Is the Cedeno .v. Theriot, the 2008 version of Jason Kendall/Koyie Hill/Rob Bowen .v. Geovany Soto?

[Elrhino]

More like Jason DuBois vs. David Kelton

[Sammy Sofa]

So what was the reason for Cedeno being pinch hit for last night when he was coming up with the bases loaded? Was he having TOO much recent success in that situation for Lou's liking?

[XZero771679666304]

So what was the reason for Cedeno being pinch hit for last night when he was coming up with the bases loaded? Was he having TOO much recent success in that situation for Lou's liking?

 

It was straight up L/R percentage playing, which I hate. I didn't like hitting for Cedeno, and I really didn't like burning Ward. It worked out (sort of), but I still don't like it.

[Sammy Sofa]

So what was the reason for Cedeno being pinch hit for last night when he was coming up with the bases loaded? Was he having TOO much recent success in that situation for Lou's liking?

 

It was straight up L/R percentage playing, which I hate. I didn't like hitting for Cedeno, and I really didn't like burning Ward. It worked out (sort of), but I still don't like it.

 

Agreed. They got a run, but Cedeno has been white hot with the bases loaded. I'd rather play those odds than putting Murton up there, or burning the best power option of the bench. Lou and his overmanaging strikes again.

[Jehrico]

Great post. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that Theriot's age 27 season was his first in the majors. I don't know how much of an adjustment there is, but it would be interesting to look at players that broke into the majors at that age and how they did in season 2, 3, etc.

 

Okay. From 1945 (the end of WWII) to 2007, there were 247 major league players who made their debut in their age 27 season and then got at least 1 plate appearance the next season.

 

In their debut season, those players averaged a .291 wOBA; in the next season, those players averaged a .302 wOBA. (.338 is right about league average.) Theriot had a .302 wOBA last season. He seems exceedingly typical of the sort of player that makes their debut at age 27, by that standard. I wouldn't expect a big improvement out of Theriot this season based on this (admittedly slapped together) bit of trivia.

 

(Caveats: I didn't adjust for park, and I did a lazy age calculation rather than figure out seasonal age. You could probably do a better study of the issue than what I've done here, but I think this suffices for my purposes.)

Tell me if I'm wrong here, but this sounds like you're downplaying Theriot's worth based on historical analysis of other players who made their debut at age 27. Theriot made his debut at 25. His first (and so far only) full year was his age 27 year, which puts him in a significantly different category.

 

That said, I'm still in favor of Cedeno over Theriot when the time to make that decision comes. But that's because Cedeno is better, not because Theriot is bad.

 

I know it's not nearly the same thing, but this post made me think of all of the old "Pie will be terrible, look at Corey Patterson" posts we've seen over the last couple of years.

[Colin Wyers]

Great post. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that Theriot's age 27 season was his first in the majors. I don't know how much of an adjustment there is, but it would be interesting to look at players that broke into the majors at that age and how they did in season 2, 3, etc.

 

Okay. From 1945 (the end of WWII) to 2007, there were 247 major league players who made their debut in their age 27 season and then got at least 1 plate appearance the next season.

 

In their debut season, those players averaged a .291 wOBA; in the next season, those players averaged a .302 wOBA. (.338 is right about league average.) Theriot had a .302 wOBA last season. He seems exceedingly typical of the sort of player that makes their debut at age 27, by that standard. I wouldn't expect a big improvement out of Theriot this season based on this (admittedly slapped together) bit of trivia.

 

(Caveats: I didn't adjust for park, and I did a lazy age calculation rather than figure out seasonal age. You could probably do a better study of the issue than what I've done here, but I think this suffices for my purposes.)

Tell me if I'm wrong here, but this sounds like you're downplaying Theriot's worth based on historical analysis of other players who made their debut at age 27. Theriot made his debut at 25. His first (and so far only) full year was his age 27 year, which puts him in a significantly different category.

 

That said, I'm still in favor of Cedeno over Theriot when the time to make that decision comes. But that's because Cedeno is better, not because Theriot is bad.

 

I know it's not nearly the same thing, but this post made me think of all of the old "Pie will be terrible, look at Corey Patterson" posts we've seen over the last couple of years.

 

Tim asked the question, I just answered it. There seems to be an implication that 27-year-old rookies should "age" differently in projections because they're rookies; I didn't find any such effect.

[Garage Party]

Man, I've always tried to defend Theriot here, but he's had one BAD stretch this week. Caught stealing, double plays, failing to turn double plays, he hasn't done anything right (except win the game on Wednesday night) lately. He needs a break.