Re: The Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

[SpongeWorthy]

I might have just not paid any attention and missed the post but how much of this is actually guaranteed? This contract might be heavily incentive laden and he might only be paid middle of the road which seems plenty fair to me.

 

I believe he's guaranteed about $4.5m.

 

The highest paid kicker angle is not overplayed. Just because the cap is going up doesn't mean you have to overpay a kicker who can't kick for a lick from distance. The Bears put a tremendous about of effort into special teams. They have a highly compensated long snapper and more than most teams emphasize coverage units and returns. Gould is the weak link on kickoffs, and they have no faith in him from anything beyond 45. He was fine as an undrafted free agent, but it's a joke to make him the highest paid before he was even a free agent.

 

A lot of this is unprovable conjecture. Can you provide evidence that the Bears emphasize special teams more than other teams or that this is the reason why the kicking game has been excellent rather than Gould himself?

 

Gould is not the mediocre kicker you're making him out to be. You're over weighting the need to be able to kick LONG field goals above the effectiveness of making reasonable attempts at a high clip (which Gould is among the very best in the NFL at).

 

And Gould has been just fine on kickoffs. He's not consistently booming it out of the back of the end zone but our coverage units have been able to make up for it. If he's a weak link it hasn't manifested itself negatively. Throwing around words like "a joke" just reeks of off season histrionics that should be reserved for the fact that we have two dreadful options at quarterback.

[Soul]

LOL, you just got owned Goons.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I might have just not paid any attention and missed the post but how much of this is actually guaranteed? This contract might be heavily incentive laden and he might only be paid middle of the road which seems plenty fair to me.

 

I believe he's guaranteed about $4.5m.

 

The highest paid kicker angle is not overplayed. Just because the cap is going up doesn't mean you have to overpay a kicker who can't kick for a lick from distance. The Bears put a tremendous about of effort into special teams. They have a highly compensated long snapper and more than most teams emphasize coverage units and returns. Gould is the weak link on kickoffs, and they have no faith in him from anything beyond 45. He was fine as an undrafted free agent, but it's a joke to make him the highest paid before he was even a free agent.

 

A lot of this is unprovable conjecture. Can you provide evidence that the Bears emphasize special teams more than other teams or that this is the reason why the kicking game has been excellent rather than Gould himself?

 

Gould is not the mediocre kicker you're making him out to be. You're over weighting the need to be able to kick LONG field goals above the effectiveness of making reasonable attempts at a high clip (which Gould is among the very best in the NFL at).

 

And Gould has been just fine on kickoffs. He's not consistently booming it out of the back of the end zone but our coverage units have been able to make up for it. If he's a weak link it hasn't manifested itself negatively. Throwing around words like "a joke" just reeks of off season histrionics that should be reserved for the fact that we have two dreadful options at quarterback.

 

smart..smart...smart...DUMB

[Flames24Rulz]

No kicker is worth being paid that much. There's no possible way you could defend a kicker being paid that much money.

[Banedon]

I might have just not paid any attention and missed the post but how much of this is actually guaranteed? This contract might be heavily incentive laden and he might only be paid middle of the road which seems plenty fair to me.

 

I believe he's guaranteed about $4.5m.

 

The highest paid kicker angle is not overplayed. Just because the cap is going up doesn't mean you have to overpay a kicker who can't kick for a lick from distance. The Bears put a tremendous about of effort into special teams. They have a highly compensated long snapper and more than most teams emphasize coverage units and returns. Gould is the weak link on kickoffs, and they have no faith in him from anything beyond 45. He was fine as an undrafted free agent, but it's a joke to make him the highest paid before he was even a free agent.

 

A lot of this is unprovable conjecture. Can you provide evidence that the Bears emphasize special teams more than other teams or that this is the reason why the kicking game has been excellent rather than Gould himself?

 

Gould is not the mediocre kicker you're making him out to be. You're over weighting the need to be able to kick LONG field goals above the effectiveness of making reasonable attempts at a high clip (which Gould is among the very best in the NFL at).

 

And Gould has been just fine on kickoffs. He's not consistently booming it out of the back of the end zone but our coverage units have been able to make up for it. If he's a weak link it hasn't manifested itself negatively. Throwing around words like "a joke" just reeks of off season histrionics that should be reserved for the fact that we have two dreadful options at quarterback.

 

smart..smart...smart...DUMB

 

Yeah...I was right with him until that last part.

[jersey cubs fan]

I might have just not paid any attention and missed the post but how much of this is actually guaranteed? This contract might be heavily incentive laden and he might only be paid middle of the road which seems plenty fair to me.

 

I believe he's guaranteed about $4.5m.

 

The highest paid kicker angle is not overplayed. Just because the cap is going up doesn't mean you have to overpay a kicker who can't kick for a lick from distance. The Bears put a tremendous about of effort into special teams. They have a highly compensated long snapper and more than most teams emphasize coverage units and returns. Gould is the weak link on kickoffs, and they have no faith in him from anything beyond 45. He was fine as an undrafted free agent, but it's a joke to make him the highest paid before he was even a free agent.

 

A lot of this is unprovable conjecture. Can you provide evidence that the Bears emphasize special teams more than other teams or that this is the reason why the kicking game has been excellent rather than Gould himself?

 

Gould is not the mediocre kicker you're making him out to be. You're over weighting the need to be able to kick LONG field goals above the effectiveness of making reasonable attempts at a high clip (which Gould is among the very best in the NFL at).

 

And Gould has been just fine on kickoffs. He's not consistently booming it out of the back of the end zone but our coverage units have been able to make up for it. If he's a weak link it hasn't manifested itself negatively. Throwing around words like "a joke" just reeks of off season histrionics that should be reserved for the fact that we have two dreadful options at quarterback.

 

Gould had a high percentage in 2006. He did not kick a high percentage in 2005 or 2007.

 

Your last point is moronic. I didn't say he's a joke as a kicker. I didn't say his ability was a joke. I said it's a joke to make him the highest paid kicker a year before he even hits free agency.

[rawaction]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=packtheworstmovesandnonm&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

10 worst offseason moves! Bet you can't guess who's QB situation (or lack thereof) makes #1!

[jersey cubs fan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=packtheworstmovesandnonm&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

10 worst offseason moves! Bet you can't guess who's QB situation (or lack thereof) makes #1!

 

Vikings?

[Banedon]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=packtheworstmovesandnonm&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

10 worst offseason moves! Bet you can't guess who's QB situation (or lack thereof) makes #1!

 

The first Animal House reference was ok...the second one was dumb, and was simply an attempt to tie it back to that movie again in any way possible.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=packtheworstmovesandnonm&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

10 worst offseason moves! Bet you can't guess who's QB situation (or lack thereof) makes #1!

 

The first Animal House reference was ok...the second one was dumb, and was simply an attempt to tie it back to that movie again in any way possible.

 

I didn't even like the first reference. If Angelo was in anyway acting like everything was fine and dandy with Grossman, sure. But he's on a one year contract. He was nearly let go. He was demoted. They looked at QBs and didn't see anything of value in the draft (a perfectly reasonable analysis). There were no decent veteran replacements. He's not saying all is well. He's saying, our QB position is up in the air.

[Banedon]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=packtheworstmovesandnonm&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

10 worst offseason moves! Bet you can't guess who's QB situation (or lack thereof) makes #1!

 

The first Animal House reference was ok...the second one was dumb, and was simply an attempt to tie it back to that movie again in any way possible.

 

I didn't even like the first reference. If Angelo was in anyway acting like everything was fine and dandy with Grossman, sure. But he's on a one year contract. He was nearly let go. He was demoted. They looked at QBs and didn't see anything of value in the draft (a perfectly reasonable analysis). There were no decent veteran replacements. He's not saying all is well. He's saying, our QB position is up in the air.

 

I just meant that at least the reference made sense if you believe as the author does. The second reference was just to talk about the movie again and actually didn't correlate at all.

[Soul]

I'll always remember Yahoo sports fondly for the "if the Bears win the division, I'll eat my laptop" comment in '05.

[UMFan83]

I hear people talk about the Bears QB situation all the time but I never hear people give suggestions as to what the Bears could have done about it.

[Wilson A2000]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

[salukifudd]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

Have fun blocking for AP.

[Wilson A2000]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

Have fun blocking for AP.

 

Peterson will really help him because defenses will have 8 players in the box all the time. If Tavaris has a decent year, Berrian will have a big year.

[cubweiser03]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

"Have fun playing in the the rollerdome"

And then blow one of those Viking horns in his face.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

Minnesota is cold...REAL cold.

[cbbryan]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

And you thought Grossman sucked. At least you got some guaranteed money out of it though.

[Flames24Rulz]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

Have fun blocking for AP.

 

Peterson will really help him because defenses will have 8 players in the box all the time. If Tavaris has a decent year, Berrian will have a big year.

 

I'd rather have Rex than Jackson.

 

I find it extremely humorous how people jump all over Grossman, but Jackson gets a free pass. So what, he had a stretch of like three or four decent games last year. Grossman was much better for a longer period of time the year before that.

 

Again, we'll see how well Jackson does. He has an easier job to do than Grossman does seeing how the box will be overloaded on almost every play. I still don't think he's a very good QB though.

[Derwood]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

pooping on his lawn doesn't exactly qualify as "fertilizing" it

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

Have fun blocking for AP.

 

Peterson will really help him because defenses will have 8 players in the box all the time. If Tavaris has a decent year, Berrian will have a big year.

 

I'd rather have Rex than Jackson.

 

I find it extremely humorous how people jump all over Grossman, but Jackson gets a free pass. So what, he had a stretch of like three or four decent games last year. Grossman was much better for a longer period of time the year before that.

 

Again, we'll see how well Jackson does. He has an easier job to do than Grossman does seeing how the box will be overloaded on almost every play. I still don't think he's a very good QB though.

 

 

agreed, but to hear all my friends up here talk, TJ is the next Culpepper!!

good luck with that

[SpongeWorthy]

I might have just not paid any attention and missed the post but how much of this is actually guaranteed? This contract might be heavily incentive laden and he might only be paid middle of the road which seems plenty fair to me.

 

I believe he's guaranteed about $4.5m.

 

The highest paid kicker angle is not overplayed. Just because the cap is going up doesn't mean you have to overpay a kicker who can't kick for a lick from distance. The Bears put a tremendous about of effort into special teams. They have a highly compensated long snapper and more than most teams emphasize coverage units and returns. Gould is the weak link on kickoffs, and they have no faith in him from anything beyond 45. He was fine as an undrafted free agent, but it's a joke to make him the highest paid before he was even a free agent.

 

A lot of this is unprovable conjecture. Can you provide evidence that the Bears emphasize special teams more than other teams or that this is the reason why the kicking game has been excellent rather than Gould himself?

 

Gould is not the mediocre kicker you're making him out to be. You're over weighting the need to be able to kick LONG field goals above the effectiveness of making reasonable attempts at a high clip (which Gould is among the very best in the NFL at).

 

And Gould has been just fine on kickoffs. He's not consistently booming it out of the back of the end zone but our coverage units have been able to make up for it. If he's a weak link it hasn't manifested itself negatively. Throwing around words like "a joke" just reeks of off season histrionics that should be reserved for the fact that we have two dreadful options at quarterback.

 

Gould had a high percentage in 2006. He did not kick a high percentage in 2005 or 2007.

 

Your last point is moronic. I didn't say he's a joke as a kicker. I didn't say his ability was a joke. I said it's a joke to make him the highest paid kicker a year before he even hits free agency.

 

I suppose there's really no point in continuing this discussion if you're just going to ignore the empirical evidence that's been provided. Unless you have some bench mark for what constitutes a high percentage that I'm not aware of. But FG kicking doesn't exist in a vacuum and it's already been stated multiple times that Gould was among the most accurate kickers in each of the last two seasons. You can look it up.

 

But if you have some other metric that is supposed to prove that Gould didn't kick FGs at a good clip, with respect to every other kicker in the NFL, I'm all ears.

[SpongeWorthy]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

Have fun blocking for AP.

 

Peterson will really help him because defenses will have 8 players in the box all the time. If Tavaris has a decent year, Berrian will have a big year.

 

I'd rather have Rex than Jackson.

 

I find it extremely humorous how people jump all over Grossman, but Jackson gets a free pass. So what, he had a stretch of like three or four decent games last year. Grossman was much better for a longer period of time the year before that.

 

Again, we'll see how well Jackson does. He has an easier job to do than Grossman does seeing how the box will be overloaded on almost every play. I still don't think he's a very good QB though.

 

How is Jackson getting a free pass? It's not like he has an iron clad grip on the Vikings QB job.

 

I suppose you could say he's getting a free pass because he hasn't melted down for one of the very best teams in football in front of a national audience. If the Vikings defense performs and the running game remains stellar but Jackson loses games for them he'll get yanked fast.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I'm fertilizing Bernard Berrian's house tomorrow. If he answers the door, what should I say to him?

 

Have fun blocking for AP.

 

Peterson will really help him because defenses will have 8 players in the box all the time. If Tavaris has a decent year, Berrian will have a big year.

 

I'd rather have Rex than Jackson.

 

I find it extremely humorous how people jump all over Grossman, but Jackson gets a free pass. So what, he had a stretch of like three or four decent games last year. Grossman was much better for a longer period of time the year before that.

 

Again, we'll see how well Jackson does. He has an easier job to do than Grossman does seeing how the box will be overloaded on almost every play. I still don't think he's a very good QB though.

 

How is Jackson getting a free pass? It's not like he has an iron clad grip on the Vikings QB job.

 

I suppose you could say he's getting a free pass because he hasn't melted down for one of the very best teams in football in front of a national audience. If the Vikings defense performs and the running game remains stellar but Jackson loses games for them he'll get yanked fast.

what in gods name are you talking about?