Re: The Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

[Handlebar McSkullet]

minny is a better team on paper

[Banedon]

Peter King is doing team rankings already. The Bears are 25th. Guess which position concerns Mr King the most? 3 guesses, first 2 don't count.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/05/02/rankings/3.html

[rawaction]

Peter King is doing team rankings already. The Bears are 25th. Guess which position concerns Mr King the most? 3 guesses, first 2 don't count.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/05/02/rankings/3.html

 

Linebacker?

[jersey cubs fan]

Peter King is doing team rankings already. The Bears are 25th. Guess which position concerns Mr King the most? 3 guesses, first 2 don't count.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/05/02/rankings/3.html

 

I've seen a variation of the following statements all offseason:

 

The Bears can't win with Rex (or Orton) at QB.

Rex has proven he can't compete in the NFL.

It's obvious the Bears could never have success in the postseason with a QB like Rex at the helm.

 

While it's perfectly sane and rational to have doubts about the Bears, Rex and Orton, and it is not out of the realm of possibility to imagine the Bears struggling to win 7 games next year, why do people have to ignore the simple facts in this case?

 

The Chicago Bears have won 21 NFL regular season games with Grossman at QB, losing 11. They have won multiple playoff games including an NFC championship game with Rex at Qb. They have won 12 games, and lost 6, with Kyle Orton at QB.

 

When discussing the Bears QB situation it is fairly obvious that they have struggled. There are major questions and no sure things at the position. But the suggestion that it is not possible for the Chicago Bears to enjoy any success with these 2 QBs in charge is simply contrary to any and all facts available. They have enjoyed success under these guys, and therefore, it very clearly is possible for them to enjoy future success. Whether they won because of, or in spite of these two players is meaningless.

 

This is not meant as an endorsement of either player. I would love to get a real improvement over both Kyle and Rex. But it is absolutely ridiculous to go on pretending it's impossible for the Bears to win NFL games, regular season or postseason, with these guys playing. It's happened before and can happen again.

[RedFlash]

minny is a better team on paper

 

IDK about that. The Bears still has there defense that went to the Super Bowl sans Chris Harris. Position by position defensively, the Bears and Vikes are equal. The Bears have the better or more talented secondary, both have very good linebackers. The Bears have the best DT, but the Vikes have a more talented DL, but the Bears is slightly deeper. The difference, the Bears went from Rivera to Babich lst yr. I expect the defense to return to glory in 2008. All in all, the Bears=Vikes defensively.

 

Offensively, the Vikes do have a better line, and better RB. But like the Bears, the QB and WR are BIG ??? for the Vikes. Grossman/Orton .v. Jackson/Ferrotte/JD booty. No advantage. Rice/Nance/Berrian/Wade and Robert Ferguson .v. Booker/Hester/Bradley/Bennett/Davis (or whoever makes the team for both teams).

 

So, outside of the OL/RB I don't see where you can argue that the Vikes are a better team, on paper or on the field.

[jersey cubs fan]

minny is a better team on paper

 

IDK about that. The Bears still has there defense that went to the Super Bowl sans Chris Harris. Position by position defensively, the Bears and Vikes are equal. The Bears have the better or more talented secondary, both have very good linebackers. The Bears have the best DT, but the Vikes have a more talented DL, but the Bears is slightly deeper. The difference, the Bears went from Rivera to Babich lst yr. I expect the defense to return to glory in 2008. All in all, the Bears=Vikes defensively.

 

Offensively, the Vikes do have a better line, and better RB. But like the Bears, the QB and WR are BIG ??? for the Vikes. Grossman/Orton .v. Jackson/Ferrotte/JD booty. No advantage. Rice/Nance/Berrian/Wade and Robert Ferguson .v. Booker/Hester/Bradley/Bennett/Davis (or whoever makes the team for both teams).

 

So, outside of the OL/RB I don't see where you can argue that the Vikes are a better team, on paper or on the field.

 

If they are equal on defense, at QB and WR, but the Vikings clearly have the better offensive line and RB, how can you come to any conclusion other than the Vikings are the better team?

[David]

Looks like another slip up at Halas Hall...

 

Taken from the chicagobears.com board... (Bennett refers to Grossman as the starter too)

 

Brad Biggs said it on the SCORE a little while ago.

 

Zach Zaidman was talking with Briggs about the Bears and when the talk turned to QB, Zach asked Briggs if he thinks Grossman is already annointed the starter and brought up what Lloyd had said previously, and Briggs jumped in and said Earl Bennett said it too. Briggs said Grossman must be the starter in the receivers room anyway.

 

 

I wonder if there's anything to it.

 

Either way, was there any way that Grossman was going to lose out to Orton in a TRAINING CAMP battle of all things? Rex is a god in practice.

 

On the field, during the actual games, the gap might be a bit narrower, but I don't think it's even close on the practice field (at least, not from what I've seen the few times I've been to TC)...

[jersey cubs fan]

Looks like another slip up at Halas Hall...

 

Taken from the chicagobears.com board... (Bennett refers to Grossman as the starter too)

 

Brad Biggs said it on the SCORE a little while ago.

 

Zach Zaidman was talking with Briggs about the Bears and when the talk turned to QB, Zach asked Briggs if he thinks Grossman is already annointed the starter and brought up what Lloyd had said previously, and Briggs jumped in and said Earl Bennett said it too. Briggs said Grossman must be the starter in the receivers room anyway.

 

 

I wonder if there's anything to it.

 

Either way, was there any way that Grossman was going to lose out to Orton in a TRAINING CAMP battle of all things? Rex is a god in practice.

 

On the field, during the actual games, the gap might be a bit narrower, but I don't think it's even close on the practice field (at least, not from what I've seen the few times I've been to TC)...

 

I don't think this is all that meaningful. Rex has been the starter and is the more talented player. It's not that big of a deal to me if a receiver assumes Rex is still the starter or will be the starter.

 

But were you talking about Biggs or Briggs?

[David]

It wasn't me. It was a poster on that forum. Didn't even notice that. I'd guess he was referring to Biggs.

[BigbadB]

What's the potential of a QB becoming available after cuts start getting made. A QB that could potentially be rated higher than any of the guys in this year's draft class. No, not Brian Griese.

 

I'm on board with giving Rex one more shot, but I'd really like to see a more experienced back up QB to step in than Kyle Orton.

 

In other words, who out there might be in jeopardy of losing their job and might fit the profile of a typical Bears QB? Anyone?

 

If there are potential suitors in that aspect, I suppose I can live with the undrafted free agents the Bears picked up rather than to have wasted a draft pick on blah QB's.

[Banedon]

What's the potential of a QB becoming available after cuts start getting made. A QB that could potentially be rated higher than any of the guys in this year's draft class. No, not Brian Griese.

 

I'm on board with giving Rex one more shot, but I'd really like to see a more experienced back up QB to step in than Kyle Orton.

 

In other words, who out there might be in jeopardy of losing their job and might fit the profile of a typical Bears QB? Anyone?

 

If there are potential suitors in that aspect, I suppose I can live with the undrafted free agents the Bears picked up rather than to have wasted a draft pick on blah QB's.

 

I think the only way you get a vet for the 3rd QB is if both Hanie and Hill just look miserable. There's always an old vet that can be picked up from retirement or something if you have to have one...

[jersey cubs fan]

What's the potential of a QB becoming available after cuts start getting made. A QB that could potentially be rated higher than any of the guys in this year's draft class. No, not Brian Griese.

 

I'm on board with giving Rex one more shot, but I'd really like to see a more experienced back up QB to step in than Kyle Orton.

 

In other words, who out there might be in jeopardy of losing their job and might fit the profile of a typical Bears QB? Anyone?

 

If there are potential suitors in that aspect, I suppose I can live with the undrafted free agents the Bears picked up rather than to have wasted a draft pick on blah QB's.

 

Chris Simms is a popular name.

 

I don't have a problem with Kyle Orton as the backup. He's shown he can play without looking like crap. I think 2008 is going to be a sink or swim season with these guys. I don't see much value in a safe veteran backup. Such a player isn't going to be the difference.

[rawaction]

Chris Simms will almost certainly be available. I'd really like to pick him up. Also, guys like Kyle Boller, Brock Berlin, Ken Dorsey, AJ Feeley, Gus Ferrotte, and Chad Pennington, could be out there, some will be cuts, others probably available in a trade.

[bukie]

What if Brett Favre decided he didn't want to be retired and showed interest in the Bears? Would he be worth a one-year flyer on if Grossman/Orton doesn't work out?

[jersey cubs fan]

What if Brett Favre decided he didn't want to be retired and showed interest in the Bears? Would he be worth a one-year flyer on if Grossman/Orton doesn't work out?

 

He would clearly be worth it but there's no chance that happens.

[Soul]

Chris Simms will almost certainly be available. I'd really like to pick him up. Also, guys like Kyle Boller, Brock Berlin, Ken Dorsey, AJ Feeley, Gus Ferrotte, and Chad Pennington, could be out there, some will be cuts, others probably available in a trade.

 

Angelo will likely wait for June 1 and then pick one of these guys up, or someone else off the scrap heap.

[David]

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[WrigleyField 22]

Is that Lloyd?

 

lol cut him

[Southpaw191679666239]

Archuleta is gone per Rotoworld and CSN :yahoo:

[Soul]

Archuleta is gone per Rotoworld and CSN :yahoo:

 

I'll see your :yahoo: and raise you a :stickman:

[rawaction]

Bears are doing a good job of realizing the dead weight that was on this team. Between Archuleta, Muhammad, Griese, and Miller....the Bears have made the right moves.

[Banedon]

Think Lovie wanted to see some of the rookies before cutting AA?

[CuseCubFan69]

Archuleta is gone per Rotoworld and CSN :yahoo:

 

That little singer from AI?

[rawaction]

Think Lovie wanted to see some of the rookies before cutting AA?

 

Probably so. I changed my tune a little on Steltz. Didn't love the pick, but the Bears should be 5 deep at safety now, and he should be able to contribute right away.

[Balsa]

Archuleta is gone per Rotoworld and CSN :yahoo:

 

I'll see your :yahoo: and raise you a :stickman:

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Seeya AA.