Clemens' agent releases report refuting steroid allegations

[swordsman]

Clemens' agent releases report refuting steroid allegations

 

Roger Clemens' agent released an 18,000-word statistical report Monday to refute allegations that the pitcher's career rebounded around the time period he was accused of using performance-enhancing drugs.

 

"Clemens' longevity was due to his ability to adjust his style of pitching as he got older, incorporating his very effective split-finger fastball to offset the decrease in the speed of his regular fastball caused by aging," said the report, created by Randy Hendricks and two associates at his firm.

[Post Count Padder]

Yawn

[ISUCubsFan]

I just skimmed the report, but the last page is so confusing. I'm not sure what's worse, Clemens' agent including an exhibit stating that he would have gone 24-3 in 2005 in a report trying to prove he was similar to other pitchers at late ages, or the Rangers assuming he would give up the same number of runs in the AL West as he did in the NL Central. As for the report on the whole, it tries to arrange the evidence in Clemens' favor, but all the cherry picking the world can't hide the numbers he put up in Houston in his 40's. I not sure Clemens is guilty, but his later years don't follow a classic pattern of great pitchers who aged well.

[DivineBovine]

Yawn is right. His agent? Defending him? Really?

 

And anyone who tries to defend him should really stay clear about mentioning his numbers. Because the stats + the dates of alleged abuse look nothing but incriminating.

[Yanksfan1523]

:roll:

[Rob]

This would go away faster if he didn't push it so hard.

[Clem Fandango]

This would go away faster if he didn't push it so hard.

 

QFT. Look at all the others incriminated. What did most of them do? Keep quiet, admit it, or give a stern "This is a lie" quote and be done with it.

 

Clemens is going through way more than he needs to be doing to defend his so-called innocence. Press conferences, televised speeches, and now a stat report? The more he fights it the more guilty he looks. And from what I've heard he's now bringing in other names to the argument. In that report doesn't he make comparisons of his stats to Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling during his alleged use period? He's trying to smear their names in the mud with his own. At least that's what I've heard.

 

Roger Clemens has very quickly become the most annoying POS in baseball over the span of 1-2 years, and it all started with the "is he or isn't he" BS. Now it's this crap. What a tool.

[Guest]

I just skimmed the report, but the last page is so confusing. I'm not sure what's worse, Clemens' agent including an exhibit stating that he would have gone 24-3 in 2005 in a report trying to prove he was similar to other pitchers at late ages, or the Rangers assuming he would give up the same number of runs in the AL West as he did in the NL Central. As for the report on the whole, it tries to arrange the evidence in Clemens' favor, but all the cherry picking the world can't hide the numbers he put up in Houston in his 40's. I not sure Clemens is guilty, but his later years don't follow a classic pattern of great pitchers who aged well.

 

Is there a copy of it online somewhere?

[rocket]

This would go away faster if he didn't push it so hard.

 

QFT. Look at all the others incriminated. What did most of them do? Keep quiet, admit it, or give a stern "This is a lie" quote and be done with it.

 

Clemens is going through way more than he needs to be doing to defend his so-called innocence. Press conferences, televised speeches, and now a stat report? The more he fights it the more guilty he looks. And from what I've heard he's now bringing in other names to the argument. In that report doesn't he make comparisons of his stats to Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling during his alleged use period? He's trying to smear their names in the mud with his own. At least that's what I've heard.

 

Roger Clemens has very quickly become the most annoying POS in baseball over the span of 1-2 years, and it all started with the "is he or isn't he" BS. Now it's this crap. What a tool.

 

that's lame. when people accused of steroids don't call press conferences, present stats, do interviews etc. people assume that means guilt. then roger clemens goes out of his way to defend himself (not that i believe him, but he's doing what i'd do if i was wrongly accused of something) and now people assume that means he's guilty. hell, when the mitchell report first came out and roger didn't make a statement immediately, i heard the sports radio morons say that means clemens is guilty, because if he didn't do any of that stuff he'd come right out and defend himself. so 1 or 2 days pass and clemens issues a denial, and in the weeks that follow he presents his case that he didn't use steroids and puts a lot of effort into it, and now people say he should shut up.

 

he can't win no matter what.

[WilcoFan]

This would go away faster if he didn't push it so hard.

 

QFT. Look at all the others incriminated. What did most of them do? Keep quiet, admit it, or give a stern "This is a lie" quote and be done with it.

 

Clemens is going through way more than he needs to be doing to defend his so-called innocence. Press conferences, televised speeches, and now a stat report? The more he fights it the more guilty he looks. And from what I've heard he's now bringing in other names to the argument. In that report doesn't he make comparisons of his stats to Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling during his alleged use period? He's trying to smear their names in the mud with his own. At least that's what I've heard.

 

Roger Clemens has very quickly become the most annoying POS in baseball over the span of 1-2 years, and it all started with the "is he or isn't he" BS. Now it's this crap. What a tool.

 

Not many of the others were facing a federal subpoena. This wouldn't go away no matter how quiet he stayed, so he might as well put up a defense.

[Connor McConnor]

Methinks he dost protest too much.

 

Go away already.

[swordsman]

This would go away faster if he didn't push it so hard.

 

QFT. Look at all the others incriminated. What did most of them do? Keep quiet, admit it, or give a stern "This is a lie" quote and be done with it.

 

Clemens is going through way more than he needs to be doing to defend his so-called innocence. Press conferences, televised speeches, and now a stat report? The more he fights it the more guilty he looks. And from what I've heard he's now bringing in other names to the argument. In that report doesn't he make comparisons of his stats to Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling during his alleged use period? He's trying to smear their names in the mud with his own. At least that's what I've heard.

 

Roger Clemens has very quickly become the most annoying POS in baseball over the span of 1-2 years, and it all started with the "is he or isn't he" BS. Now it's this crap. What a tool.

 

that's lame. when people accused of steroids don't call press conferences, present stats, do interviews etc. people assume that means guilt. then roger clemens goes out of his way to defend himself (not that i believe him, but he's doing what i'd do if i was wrongly accused of something) and now people assume that means he's guilty. hell, when the mitchell report first came out and roger didn't make a statement immediately, i heard the sports radio morons say that means clemens is guilty, because if he didn't do any of that stuff he'd come right out and defend himself. so 1 or 2 days pass and clemens issues a denial, and in the weeks that follow he presents his case that he didn't use steroids and puts a lot of effort into it, and now people say he should shut up.

 

he can't win no matter what.

 

Sure seems that way, huh.

[TheDude]

This move is completely meaningless by Clemens. It has been demonstrated time and again that results on the field do not with any certainty indicate drug use. There are hundreds of examples of minor leaguers busted in the last 4 years who weren't miraculously big leaguers because of 'enhancers'. There are big league examples too, like Alex Sanchez and this boards favorite whipping boy Neifi.

 

It's laughable that anyone in Clemens' camp could possibly believe statistical analysis would disprove use of an enhancer. If anything, as Rob Neyer points out in his blog today, dig beyond the full-spin abstract of the statistical analysis and you'll find greater deviation in Clemens' reported usage years than that of his self-appointed 'peer group'.

[ISUCubsFan]

I just skimmed the report, but the last page is so confusing. I'm not sure what's worse, Clemens' agent including an exhibit stating that he would have gone 24-3 in 2005 in a report trying to prove he was similar to other pitchers at late ages, or the Rangers assuming he would give up the same number of runs in the AL West as he did in the NL Central. As for the report on the whole, it tries to arrange the evidence in Clemens' favor, but all the cherry picking the world can't hide the numbers he put up in Houston in his 40's. I not sure Clemens is guilty, but his later years don't follow a classic pattern of great pitchers who aged well.

 

Is there a copy of it online somewhere?

 

http://www.rogerclemensreport.com/reports/ClemensReport.pdf

[DivineBovine]

This would go away faster if he didn't push it so hard.

 

QFT. Look at all the others incriminated. What did most of them do? Keep quiet, admit it, or give a stern "This is a lie" quote and be done with it.

 

Clemens is going through way more than he needs to be doing to defend his so-called innocence. Press conferences, televised speeches, and now a stat report? The more he fights it the more guilty he looks. And from what I've heard he's now bringing in other names to the argument. In that report doesn't he make comparisons of his stats to Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling during his alleged use period? He's trying to smear their names in the mud with his own. At least that's what I've heard.

 

Roger Clemens has very quickly become the most annoying POS in baseball over the span of 1-2 years, and it all started with the "is he or isn't he" BS. Now it's this crap. What a tool.

 

that's lame. when people accused of steroids don't call press conferences, present stats, do interviews etc. people assume that means guilt. then roger clemens goes out of his way to defend himself (not that i believe him, but he's doing what i'd do if i was wrongly accused of something) and now people assume that means he's guilty. hell, when the mitchell report first came out and roger didn't make a statement immediately, i heard the sports radio morons say that means clemens is guilty, because if he didn't do any of that stuff he'd come right out and defend himself. so 1 or 2 days pass and clemens issues a denial, and in the weeks that follow he presents his case that he didn't use steroids and puts a lot of effort into it, and now people say he should shut up.

 

he can't win no matter what.

 

 

I think the bottom line is the underlying evidence. We have a guy who really has little reason to lie saying under oath that he injected him with steroids. And we also have a buddy of his, Petitte, who even fessed up to HGH. Then you see the stats. The media never had this kind of evidence, even against Barry for a long while. He was tied to a bunch of shady characters, but this is even beyond that.

 

The fact is, people are not going to give Clemens the benefit of the doubt unless he produces a good explanation beyond calling press conferences, doing lame ass telephone recordings, and having his agent cite statistics. He'd be better off keeping his mouth shut, like everyone seems to be saying. Either that or produce a better explanation.

 

I hate the whole basis of the steroid witch hunt as much as anyone. I personally think its an utter waste of taxpayer money to pursue investigations which will essentially net nothing for anyone beyond its entertainment value. Still, I have to say I find the Clemens thing amusing. It at least confirms that the media will go after anyone, not just guys that they already hate.

[A New Era]

I hope this was as well thought out and presented with as much scientific evidence as Clemen's ol "I'd be growing ears outta my forehead" defense. . .

[biittner77]

So does this report mean that Clemens will be invoking his 5th amendment rights when he's called before Congress? People that believe he's innoicent could still argue that he never admitted anything. Or will he go with the "I took it to recover from injury because I owed it to my teammates" defense?

[Soul]

So does this report mean that Clemens will be invoking his 5th amendment rights when he's called before Congress? People that believe he's innoicent could still argue that he never admitted anything. Or will he go with the "I took it to recover from injury because I owed it to my teammates" defense?

 

After his outright denials, that's not a defense. It's an admission of guilt.

 

He'll either continue his denials (he's got the ego to think he can lie to congress -- I think this is what he'll do), or perhaps take the 5th.

 

Taking the 5th would just confirm that he took steroids, IMO. If you can flat out deny it on national television, then why take the 5th under oath?

[BigbadB]

Okay, so Clemens' agent was there when McNamee didn't inject Clemens with steroids? Or was he not there when NcNamee did inject Clemens with steroids?

 

It appears Clemens agent is as annoying as Clemens.

 

I'm sorry, but the only thing missing in this whole caper is a bloody glove.

 

Signed, Jack McCoy.

[pitchcs]

I really think the only reason Clemens used steroids was to bulk up for his role in Kingpin.

[Soul]

McNamee apparently delivered physical evidence that Clemens roided up:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-07-clemensfeb07,1,6445449.story

 

Seems mighty strange to save medical supplies for that long, but who knows.

[Clem Fandango]

That just makes me happy. Clemens spends God knows how much money trying to prove he never took roids with TV interviews, press releases, and all this crap. McNamee's like "Here's some DNA".

 

Ouch.

[BigbadB]

Uh oh, a bloody glove, er... bloody syringe. It's not looking good for the Rocket.

[CUBZ99]

All I have to add is :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

If the needles test positive for Clemens blood and steroids, Roger Clemens is one of the dumbest people on the face of this earth.

[YearofDaCubs]

Now apparently McNamee injected Clemens' wife with hgh too.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/02/08/2008-02-08_source_brian_mcnamee_testified_roger_cle.html