Jim Leyritz arrested

[SouthSideRyan]

 

yeah that's nice, however the study compared the impairment of someone talking on the phone to the impairment of someone who was at a 0.08 - which can be done through as little as three beers. The vast majority of fatalities caused by drunk driving are by people who are considerably above a 0.08.

 

.17 I believe is the average, or maybe median.

[Sosa21MVP]

---- Man y'all are ruthless. I was just reacting to the story. I was shocked when I heard what had happened...maybe I didn't take the necessary time to think of all of the ramifications before submitting my post. So what, give me a break. I feel like I was just attacked. First and foremost I feel sorry for the person that was killed and for the surviving family of the deceased but you also have to feel somewhat sorry for Leyritz, this is something he has to live with the rest of his life. Yeah it was stupid, he aint no kid after all but it was ALSO accidental. I assume that Leyritz is married and also has a family--- so you gotta have sympathy for them. It's just an all around bad situation. Everywhere you look, lives ruined forever.

 

I hear what you are saying but I'm not sure that Jim's life is ruined forever. Whatever public image he possessed is certainly tarnished and he'll have to pay a price through the judicial system and all that but....I don't know. I have an uncle that killed two people as a result of drunk driving. A mother and daughter. It's been a while so I don't remember what all happened to him but I don't recall him getting any jail time. I think he just got stuck in rehab for a while, I vaguely remember visiting him there. He was able to go back to a normal life and didn't even learn his lesson. He got pulled for a DUI some years later. :oops: In fact I'm pretty sure he still drinks and drives to this day. At least it would not surprise me in the least.

 

So it's not a great situation for either side but it's certainly far worse for the side that lost family members to the grave. I'm sure you realize that but I just wanted to share my perspective since I've had a family member involved in this.

[XZero771679666304]

if jim leyritz was talking on his cell phone while driving and accidentally killed someone, would he get the same level of disgust?

 

Probably not, but give it time.

 

The notion that talking on a cell phone while driving is dangerous is common sense, but fairly new.

 

People have known for decades that drunk drivers kill people. There is hardly anyone these days who hasn't had their life impacted in some way by a drunk driver. There is anti-drunk driving propaganda everywhere providing every conceivable reason not to do it. Testimonials on TV, radio, billboards, deaths on the nightly news, etc. Our society is inundated with it.

 

The point of this is that it is in the consciousness of everyone. To ignore it and go out and drink with every intention of driving afterwards, you have to make the decision to ignore the fact that you know it is a dangerous thing to do, ignore the fact that it is illegal, and for very good reasons. It is a disgustingly flippant and selfish thing to do.

 

 

And this is a big part of the point. More often than not, the decision to drive drunk is made long before the act. People know before they even leave the house (or work or wherever) that they are going to drink, and they are going to drive afterwards. They have no intention of calling a cab, and the bartender shouldn't be responsible for making them do so. There is no mistake being made here, but an act of premeditated selfishness and willful ignorance of the possible consequences, pure and simple.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Sosa21MVP wrote: "I hear what you are saying but I'm not sure that Jim's life is ruined forever. Whatever public image he possessed is certainly tarnished and he'll have to pay a price through the judicial system and all that but....I don't know. I have an uncle that killed two people as a result of drunk driving. A mother and daughter. It's been a while so I don't remember what all happened to him but I don't recall him getting any jail time. I think he just got stuck in rehab for a while, I vaguely remember visiting him there. He was able to go back to a normal life and didn't even learn his lesson. He got pulled for a DUI some years later. :oops: In fact I'm pretty sure he still drinks and drives to this day. At least it would not surprise me in the least.

 

So it's not a great situation for either side but it's certainly far worse for the side that lost family members to the grave. I'm sure you realize that but I just wanted to share my perspective since I've had a family member involved in this".

 

---- Thanks for your input. It's most appreciated.

[TruffleShuffle]

 

yeah that's nice, however the study compared the impairment of someone talking on the phone to the impairment of someone who was at a 0.08 - which can be done through as little as three beers. The vast majority of fatalities caused by drunk driving are by people who are considerably above a 0.08.

 

so if a person has a 0.08 and kills another driver, does he deserve empathy then?

 

yes, because .08 should not be the legal limit

[SouthSideRyan]

 

yeah that's nice, however the study compared the impairment of someone talking on the phone to the impairment of someone who was at a 0.08 - which can be done through as little as three beers. The vast majority of fatalities caused by drunk driving are by people who are considerably above a 0.08.

 

so if a person has a 0.08 and kills another driver, does he deserve empathy then?

 

yes, because .08 should not be the legal limit

 

Well, in the same sense 55 shouldn't be the speed limit. I like both where they are.

[rocket]

 

yeah that's nice, however the study compared the impairment of someone talking on the phone to the impairment of someone who was at a 0.08 - which can be done through as little as three beers. The vast majority of fatalities caused by drunk driving are by people who are considerably above a 0.08.

 

so if a person has a 0.08 and kills another driver, does he deserve empathy then?

 

yes, because .08 should not be the legal limit

 

just because someone thinks they aren't impaired doesn't mean that they aren't. (i think that's a quadruple negative so that might have the opposite meaning i intended)

[XZero771679666304]

 

yeah that's nice, however the study compared the impairment of someone talking on the phone to the impairment of someone who was at a 0.08 - which can be done through as little as three beers. The vast majority of fatalities caused by drunk driving are by people who are considerably above a 0.08.

 

so if a person has a 0.08 and kills another driver, does he deserve empathy then?

 

yes, because .08 should not be the legal limit

 

Well, in the same sense 55 shouldn't be the speed limit. I like both where they are.

 

I agree. Is 55 the fastest one can drive and maintain control? Of course not. It's a safe speed. These laws aren't about pushing the envelope. Safety limits should always be set below actual tolerance levels. What we don't need are brainless cowboys out there deciding that .08 to them isn't the same as .08 to others.

 

The .08 level is where it is because the vast majority of people aren't drunk at that point. For some that is well below their tolerance, for others, they may be pretty buzzed. But the law isn't supposed to be subjective. If people don't like it, tough eggs. I hope they get pulled over.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I've never once driven with even a single drink in me.

 

Not only do I not talk on my cell phone while driving, my friends and family know that they will be hung up on if I find out they are driving while talking to me. I haven't exceeded the speed limit in two years.

 

I feel completely at ease sitting in judgment on Leyritz and anybody else who does it. The "it could have been anyone" thing is something that befuddles me, like people who are that irresponsible and selfish assume the rest of us are as well.

 

That said, I'm a right dirty jerk in a lot of other ways.

[d_money]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/leyritzmug1.html

[Sterling30]

I haven't exceeded the speed limit in two years.

 

I can't even imagine it ... a truly amazing accomplishment. I congratulate you on your resolve.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

so, I can really sympasize with the guy..

 

Wow, that is truly pathetic.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

but you also have to feel somewhat sorry for Leyritz.

No you don't. Plz stop posting.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I find it somewhat disturbing that so few people cannot empathize with Leyritz. .

I find it extremely disturbing that anyone can somewhat empathize with Leyritz. A woman/mother/wife/daughter is dead afterall.

[Keener98]

but you also have to feel somewhat sorry for Leyritz.

No you don't. Plz stop posting.

 

 

Because his opinions are different than yours he should stop posting?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

but you also have to feel somewhat sorry for Leyritz.

No you don't. Plz stop posting.

 

 

Because his opinions are different than yours he should stop posting?

 

This isn't an opinion on who should be the starting SS for the Cubs in 2008, the issue on hand is that now 3 children don't have a mother, and people feel the need to defend the scumbag responsible for this....it is quite disgusting.

[Sterling30]

but you also have to feel somewhat sorry for Leyritz.

No you don't. Plz stop posting.

 

 

Because his opinions are different than yours he should stop posting?

 

This isn't an opinion on who should be the starting SS for the Cubs in 2008, the issue on hand is that now 3 children don't have a mother, and people feel the need to defend the scumbag responsible for this....it is quite disgusting.

Leyritz is an ass and deserves to rot in prison for life, but sympathy for him does not equate to defending the guy.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

GoCubsGo!!, as I have already indicated in several posts, my heart goes out to this woman's family who lost their daughter, their mother, and of course this woman's husband is now without a wife...but because I feel sorry for Leyritz and his family, due to the horrendous decision he made, all of a sudden I'm considered a bad guy and my view point is pathetic?

With that type of hatred, you're the one that needs to stop posting.

[Keener98]

but you also have to feel somewhat sorry for Leyritz.

No you don't. Plz stop posting.

 

 

Because his opinions are different than yours he should stop posting?

 

This isn't an opinion on who should be the starting SS for the Cubs in 2008, the issue on hand is that now 3 children don't have a mother, and people feel the need to defend the scumbag responsible for this....it is quite disgusting.

 

 

Thats ridiculous. Who in here has been defending him? Feeling sympathy, or empathy for somebody doesnt mean they are defending them.

[Yanksfan1523]

It is possible to feel empathy for both sides of this issue. IMHO having compassion for Leyritz as well as the victim's family makes you a good person, not a bad one. I realize that Leyritz is not a young guy and should know better. but that doesn't mean his family isn't suffering.