Seattle Newspaper: Cubs possibly interested in Bedard

[C.C.]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

[Post Count Padder]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

[rawaction]

The Cubs don't really have any ML ready SP that the Orioles can get to replace Bedard. I don't see how this trade works without Hill, and I also don't see why either team would trade one for the other, unless the O's think Hill will sign with them when he becomes a FA.

 

The O's must really like Felix Pie if they do this trade.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Cubs don't really have any ML ready SP that the Orioles can get to replace Bedard. I don't see how this trade works without Hill, and I also don't see why either team would trade one for the other, unless the O's think Hill will sign with them when he becomes a FA.

 

The O's must really like Felix Pie if they do this trade.

 

Marshall

[CUBZ99]

The Cubs don't really have any ML ready SP that the Orioles can get to replace Bedard. I don't see how this trade works without Hill, and I also don't see why either team would trade one for the other, unless the O's think Hill will sign with them when he becomes a FA.

 

The O's must really like Felix Pie if they do this trade.

 

Marshall

 

Marquis :lol:

[MPC]

The Cubs don't really have any ML ready SP that the Orioles can get to replace Bedard. I don't see how this trade works without Hill, and I also don't see why either team would trade one for the other, unless the O's think Hill will sign with them when he becomes a FA.

 

The O's must really like Felix Pie if they do this trade.

 

Marshall

 

Marquis :lol:

he said major league ready.

[CuseCubFan69]

The Cubs don't really have any ML ready SP that the Orioles can get to replace Bedard. I don't see how this trade works without Hill, and I also don't see why either team would trade one for the other, unless the O's think Hill will sign with them when he becomes a FA.

 

The O's must really like Felix Pie if they do this trade.

 

Or know something about Bedard. Didn't the Cubs have a problem with the O's before regarding an injured player in the Sosa deal?

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs don't really have any ML ready SP that the Orioles can get to replace Bedard. I don't see how this trade works without Hill, and I also don't see why either team would trade one for the other, unless the O's think Hill will sign with them when he becomes a FA.

 

The O's must really like Felix Pie if they do this trade.

 

Or know something about Bedard. Didn't the Cubs have a problem with the O's before regarding an injured player in the Sosa deal?

 

Dave Crouthers retired before he threw a pitch for the Cubs. I dont' remember if it was injury related or what, but I don't think the Cubs really cared much.

[A New Era]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

My concern is it would be nice to go back and forth. So you'd have to have Z not start the opener. So if this did happen, you'd go LRLRL

 

Bedard

Z

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

[CuseCubFan69]

The Cubs don't really have any ML ready SP that the Orioles can get to replace Bedard. I don't see how this trade works without Hill, and I also don't see why either team would trade one for the other, unless the O's think Hill will sign with them when he becomes a FA.

 

The O's must really like Felix Pie if they do this trade.

 

Or know something about Bedard. Didn't the Cubs have a problem with the O's before regarding an injured player in the Sosa deal?

 

Dave Crouthers retired before he threw a pitch for the Cubs. I dont' remember if it was injury related or what, but I don't think the Cubs really cared much.

 

I thought they complained to MLB about it? I don't think they made anything out of it other than that though.

[Clem Fandango]

The Cubs don't really have any ML ready SP that the Orioles can get to replace Bedard. I don't see how this trade works without Hill, and I also don't see why either team would trade one for the other, unless the O's think Hill will sign with them when he becomes a FA.

 

The O's must really like Felix Pie if they do this trade.

 

Marshall

 

Marquis :lol:

he said major league ready.

 

Sick burn :lol:

[SouthSideRyan]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

My concern is it would be nice to go back and forth. So you'd have to have Z not start the opener. So if this did happen, you'd go LRLRL

 

Bedard

Z

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

 

Who's starting in between Hill and Bedard? I hate this "reasoning" that you can't have back to back lefties in the rotation. Yes there are more righties than lefties in any given batting order. Don't you think these guys have been facing these same batting orders their whole careers? In the same way, I see no reason with the obsession of having a lefty in the rotation or a lefty in the batting lineup. 8 best hitters, 5 best pitchers, let em throw and hit with whatever they want as long as they do it well.

[DenverCubs]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

My concern is it would be nice to go back and forth. So you'd have to have Z not start the opener. So if this did happen, you'd go LRLRL

 

Bedard

Z

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

 

Who's starting in between Hill and Bedard? I hate this "reasoning" that you can't have back to back lefties in the rotation. Yes there are more righties than lefties in any given batting order. Don't you think these guys have been facing these same batting orders their whole careers? In the same way, I see no reason with the obsession of having a lefty in the rotation or a lefty in the batting lineup. 8 best hitters, 5 best pitchers, let em throw and hit with whatever they want as long as they do it well.

100% true. I can almost (really almost) see wanting a diverse hitting line-up if only to make opposing teams burn through their bull-pens in late innings (but not if it means starting a worse player). How does going RLR with pitchers who appear in totally different games and maybe even against different teams help at all. Also, it seems like the Cubs worry more about RL match-ups based on like league average results instead of player specific stats. If a left-handed bat clobbers left-handed pitching, who cares if he swings the bat with his left hand or his wiener (can I say dick on this forum)?

[erik316wttn]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

I don't really care what hand a guy throws with. I don't care if he throws with his foot. Just as long as he can get people out.

[CuseCubFan69]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

I don't really care what hand a guy throws with. I don't care if he throws with his foot. Just as long as he can get people out.

 

If Bedard is good against both, left and right I see no reason why it would make a difference. Does anyone know the balance L/R hitting wise in the AL East compared to the NL Central?

[Tracer Bullet]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

I don't really care what hand a guy throws with. I don't care if he throws with his foot. Just as long as he can get people out.

 

I'm not sure the rules allow for that. But otherwise, I agree.

[nilodnayr]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

My concern is it would be nice to go back and forth. So you'd have to have Z not start the opener. So if this did happen, you'd go LRLRL

 

Bedard

Z

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

 

Who's starting in between Hill and Bedard? I hate this "reasoning" that you can't have back to back lefties in the rotation. Yes there are more righties than lefties in any given batting order. Don't you think these guys have been facing these same batting orders their whole careers? In the same way, I see no reason with the obsession of having a lefty in the rotation or a lefty in the batting lineup. 8 best hitters, 5 best pitchers, let em throw and hit with whatever they want as long as they do it well.

 

Little known fact, we had back to back lefties ALL FREAKIN YEAR LONG LAST YEAR.

 

How'd that work out for us?

[Sammy Sofa]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

My concern is it would be nice to go back and forth. So you'd have to have Z not start the opener. So if this did happen, you'd go LRLRL

 

Bedard

Z

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

 

Who's starting in between Hill and Bedard? I hate this "reasoning" that you can't have back to back lefties in the rotation. Yes there are more righties than lefties in any given batting order. Don't you think these guys have been facing these same batting orders their whole careers? In the same way, I see no reason with the obsession of having a lefty in the rotation or a lefty in the batting lineup. 8 best hitters, 5 best pitchers, let em throw and hit with whatever they want as long as they do it well.

 

Little known fact, we had back to back lefties ALL FREAKIN YEAR LONG LAST YEAR.

 

How'd that work out for us?

 

So you're accounting all or most or even a significant number of the Cubs' losses to this?

[RammyFanny]

One of the Orioles insiders at orioleshangout.com, on the Cubs' supposed interest in Bedard:

 

My guy confirmed this interest to me yesterday. Its real.

 

 

Man, I'd love to get him without giving up Hill. That would be a nasty rotation 1-4.

Left handed heavy, but yes, it would be dominating.

 

My concern is it would be nice to go back and forth. So you'd have to have Z not start the opener. So if this did happen, you'd go LRLRL

 

Bedard

Z

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

 

Who's starting in between Hill and Bedard? I hate this "reasoning" that you can't have back to back lefties in the rotation. Yes there are more righties than lefties in any given batting order. Don't you think these guys have been facing these same batting orders their whole careers? In the same way, I see no reason with the obsession of having a lefty in the rotation or a lefty in the batting lineup. 8 best hitters, 5 best pitchers, let em throw and hit with whatever they want as long as they do it well.

 

Little known fact, we had back to back lefties ALL FREAKIN YEAR LONG LAST YEAR.

 

How'd that work out for us?

 

 

So you're accounting all or most or even a significant number of the Cubs' losses to this?

I was under the impression he was saying it didn't matter because we made the playoffs or something. IIRC it worked out pretty nicely with Lilly having a great year, Hill having a very solid year, and Marshall exceeding expectations until re randomly decide to replace him after like 2 bad starts with young Steve Trachsel.

[nilodnayr]

 

Little known fact, we had back to back lefties ALL FREAKIN YEAR LONG LAST YEAR.

 

How'd that work out for us?

 

 

So you're accounting all or most or even a significant number of the Cubs' losses to this?

I was under the impression he was saying it didn't matter because we made the playoffs or something. IIRC it worked out pretty nicely with Lilly having a great year, Hill having a very solid year, and Marshall exceeding expectations until re randomly decide to replace him after like 2 bad starts with young Steve Trachsel.

 

Yes, I was saying it worked out pretty nicely for us. The starter does not have the majority of the culpability in the determination of a win or loss (gasp!). I don't really care that we had a (slightly) losing record when we started a lefty after a lefty. Thats the pathetic offense's fault.

 

Hill actually never followed a lefty. Lilly followed Hill for the first month (and actually his last "start" (2 IP) after we clinched) and Marshall followed Hill the rest of the way until the last month. Lilly had an ERA slightly above 2 while following Hill and since Marshall did it for nearly all of his IP, his ERA was close to his season (slightly over 4). If the cubs believe that having back to back lefties negatively affects the second lefty, then they should think that Sean Marshall is actually uber awesome, which obviously they don't (and he isn't). Just more idiocy, hypocracy, conventional thinking nonsense that has and will plague this organization.

[Vanilla Ice]

Life would be so much easier if Bedard wasn't left handed.

[nilodnayr]

Life would be so much easier if Bedard wasn't left handed.

 

Jim Hendry, is that you?

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Who's starting in between Hill and Bedard? I hate this "reasoning" that you can't have back to back lefties in the rotation. Yes there are more righties than lefties in any given batting order. Don't you think these guys have been facing these same batting orders their whole careers? In the same way, I see no reason with the obsession of having a lefty in the rotation or a lefty in the batting lineup. 8 best hitters, 5 best pitchers, let em throw and hit with whatever they want as long as they do it well.

 

Little known fact, we had back to back lefties ALL FREAKIN YEAR LONG LAST YEAR.

 

How'd that work out for us?

 

Why do you think we lost games 2 and 3?

[badnews]

They all throw somewhat similar, I think it's natural to want to avoid that. One of the reasons I don't trust Bedard is that his stuff has never looked like 10+ K/9 stuff to me. Kazmir, yes. Bedard, know. I don't see him throwing 96 or with a wicked Liriano slider, I see him throwing 92-93 with a good curveball. I think we have that. I refuse to believe it until I see it happen again.

 

Heck, I may as well be upfront about my ignorance. Hill and Bedard are two guys that I wonder how they strike out as many guys as they do. You watch guys like Liriano and Kazmir and it's obvious, not so with those two. The past few years I've lumped Bedard in with Capuano. They both seemed somewhat similar in stuff and pitching motion. Obviously there is a difference as they've gone in opposite directions and even before that, the G/F ratios were quite different but if I didn't know their stats I'd think they had about the same success. Anyway that's not meant to convince anyone, I'm just saying from when I watch Bedard it's difficult to embrace him as this badass ace and everything even though everything says he is.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I haven't really watched Bedard, but I think Hill's deceptive, repeatable delivery really helps him get K's. He's able to hide the ball long enough and have it come from the same slot that his fastball sneaks up on hitters who know the curve has great break.