MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

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Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

2004

[anabiono]

Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

 

this is why this thread is painful...that lineup makes me cream in my pants

[nolanwood]

Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

2004

 

CF - Corey Patterson

2B - Mark Grudzielanek

RF - Sammy Sosa

LF - Moises Alou

1B - Derek Lee

3B - Aramis Ramirez

SS - Alex Gonzalez

C - Michael Barrett

 

????

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Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

2004

 

CF - Corey Patterson

2B - Mark Grudzielanek

RF - Sammy Sosa

LF - Moises Alou

1B - Derek Lee

3B - Aramis Ramirez

SS - Alex Gonzalez

C - Michael Barrett

 

????

 

Plus Nomar, kind of. That lineup was pretty stacked.

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Patterson

Lee

Nomar

Alou

Sosa

Ramirez

Grudz

Barrett

 

That lineup looked pretty deadly.

[nolanwood]

Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

2004

 

CF - Corey Patterson

2B - Mark Grudzielanek

RF - Sammy Sosa

LF - Moises Alou

1B - Derek Lee

3B - Aramis Ramirez

SS - Alex Gonzalez

C - Michael Barrett

 

????

 

Plus Nomar, kind of. That lineup was pretty stacked.

 

 

Oh yeah...I forgot about Nomar. ](*,) ](*,)

 

With the addition of Nomar, that was definitely a stacked lineup. Thinking about the potential of that rotation is even more disgusting.

[BigbadB]

i really have to stop reading this thread...having derosa as our possible starting SS is too much of an awesome thing to continue to speculate upon...

 

friggin orioles

Is this pure speculation on your part or did you read it somewhere... I brought this up a while ago and was shot down because of DeRosa's suspect range at SS. I'd love it if the Cubs were to give him a shot there, but I haven't heard it discussed anywhere but this board.

 

Buster Olney had a blog up about a few days ago, and in it, he speculates that if the Cubs do eventually complete a Brian Roberts trade, that DeRo wants to compete for the SS job. And if this is true, this Roberts trade is no longer about is Roberts an upgrade over DeRo, but more about Roberts being a significant upgrade of Theriot. So the possibility is real that DeRo could play SS, if Roberts deal is completed.

But has DeRosa taken grounders at SS? What would he be like there?

 

To me, DeRosa would probably be a bad choice to play SS if the team in general was average to below average defensively on defense. But, the Cubs can expect to be above average to well above average defensively in RF, CF, LF, 3b, 2b, 1b and C, basically everywhere except SS (assuming Roberts became a Cub). Because of that, I think you could afford the defensive shortcomings of DeRosa at SS, especially when you consider Theriot is playing out of position as well.

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Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

2004

 

CF - Corey Patterson

2B - Mark Grudzielanek

RF - Sammy Sosa

LF - Moises Alou

1B - Derek Lee

3B - Aramis Ramirez

SS - Alex Gonzalez

C - Michael Barrett

 

????

 

Plus Nomar, kind of. That lineup was pretty stacked.

 

 

Oh yeah...I forgot about Nomar. ](*,) ](*,)

 

With the addition of Nomar, that was definitely a stacked lineup. Thinking about the potential of that rotation is even more disgusting.

 

Yeah, that season almost bummed me out more than 2003 just because of how stacked that team was on paper. That really was the year to win it all.

[UMFan83]

Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

2004

 

CF - Corey Patterson

2B - Mark Grudzielanek

RF - Sammy Sosa

LF - Moises Alou

1B - Derek Lee

3B - Aramis Ramirez

SS - Alex Gonzalez

C - Michael Barrett

 

????

 

Plus Nomar, kind of. That lineup was pretty stacked.

 

 

Oh yeah...I forgot about Nomar. ](*,) ](*,)

 

With the addition of Nomar, that was definitely a stacked lineup. Thinking about the potential of that rotation is even more disgusting.

 

I remember 2-3 games after we got Nomar, we were in Colorado for a series, and we were just basically taking turns batting around the order with everyone getting their hits, and I thought that there were basically no holes in the lineup. Whoops forgot about OBP.

 

The lineup was like

 

Patterson, CF

Garciaparra, SS

Alou, LF

Sosa, RF

Ramirez, 3B

Lee, 1B

Walker, 2B

Barrett, C

[Fro]

Yeah, if the 2004 team had all had near-peak seasons that year, we would have won 110 games or something crazy. Team was stacked except the bullpen.

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Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

2004

 

CF - Corey Patterson

2B - Mark Grudzielanek

RF - Sammy Sosa

LF - Moises Alou

1B - Derek Lee

3B - Aramis Ramirez

SS - Alex Gonzalez

C - Michael Barrett

 

????

 

Plus Nomar, kind of. That lineup was pretty stacked.

 

 

Oh yeah...I forgot about Nomar. ](*,) ](*,)

 

With the addition of Nomar, that was definitely a stacked lineup. Thinking about the potential of that rotation is even more disgusting.

 

I remember 2-3 games after we got Nomar, we were in Colorado for a series, and we were just basically taking turns batting around the order with everyone getting their hits, and I thought that there were basically no holes in the lineup. Whoops forgot about OBP.

 

The lineup was like

 

Patterson, CF

Garciaparra, SS

Alou, LF

Sosa, RF

Ramirez, 3B

Lee, 1B

Walker, 2B

Barrett, C

 

The OBP on that team wasn't all that bad.

 

Ramirez- .373

Nomar- .364

Alou- .361

Lee- .356

Walker- .352

Barrett- .337

Barrett- 337

Sosa- .332

Patterson- .320

 

Not great, but not atrocious. I think we were right at the league average that year in terms of team OBP.

[bhogg]

Do these goobs realize that now I have to adjust my MLB 08 season?

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Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Dero

Soto

Pie

Pitcher

 

If the scenario played out, when would be the last time we had a starting lineup that good?

 

2004

 

CF - Corey Patterson

2B - Mark Grudzielanek

RF - Sammy Sosa

LF - Moises Alou

1B - Derek Lee

3B - Aramis Ramirez

SS - Alex Gonzalez

C - Michael Barrett

 

????

 

Plus Nomar, kind of. That lineup was pretty stacked.

 

 

Oh yeah...I forgot about Nomar. ](*,) ](*,)

 

With the addition of Nomar, that was definitely a stacked lineup. Thinking about the potential of that rotation is even more disgusting.

 

I remember 2-3 games after we got Nomar, we were in Colorado for a series, and we were just basically taking turns batting around the order with everyone getting their hits, and I thought that there were basically no holes in the lineup. Whoops forgot about OBP.

 

The lineup was like

 

Patterson, CF

Garciaparra, SS

Alou, LF

Sosa, RF

Ramirez, 3B

Lee, 1B

Walker, 2B

Barrett, C

 

The OBP on that team wasn't all that bad.

 

Ramirez- .373

Nomar- .364

Alou- .361

Lee- .356

Walker- .352

Barrett- .337

Barrett- 337

Sosa- .332

Patterson- .320

 

Not great, but not atrocious. I think we were right at the league average that year in terms of team OBP.

Does Barrett count twice?

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Yes

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mk

[badnews]

I don't understand either why people think adding Roberts to this lineup makes it a Murderer's Row. I don't even think it would be better than 2004 on paper. Someone posted the OBPs, how about the OPSs:

 

c - Michael Barrett - .826 OPS

1b - Derrek Lee - .860

2b - Todd Walker - .820

ss - Nomar Garciaparra - .819

3b - Aramis Ramirez- .951

lf - Moises Alou - .919

cf - Corey Patterson - .771

rf - Sammy Sosa - .832

 

Let us think on that. What kind of National League lineup has 7 out of 8 starters with an OPS above .819? So forget this "Roberts in that lineup would be AWESOME" jazz, this lineup just kicks the crap out of that one. 7 out of 8 starters with an OPS above .819, find that in the NL.

 

Oh yeah, and the "weak link," Corey, Brian Roberts could put up the same essential numbers as Corey did that year, this year, and he'd be heralded as a savior. Granted the SLG/OBP is going to different, but I don't think anyone on here would be surprised if Brian Roberts finished the 2008 season with a .771 OPS and 32 steals, 9 caught. Those look like very reasonable numbers.

[Kid Gleason]

If the infield was indeed Roberts and DeRosa, wouldn't Roberts be better suited to play SS? Who do you guys think would have better range, arm etc?

 

I thought that option was discussed on an earlier page of this thread but I can't remember. It has been so long I have since gotten married, had a child, started and quit 2 jobs so I'm not clear.

[series65cubsfan]

welcome to the board

[RedFlash]

If the infield was indeed Roberts and DeRosa, wouldn't Roberts be better suited to play SS? Who do you guys think would have better range, arm etc?

 

I thought that option was discussed on an earlier page of this thread but I can't remember. It has been so long I have since gotten married, had a child, started and quit 2 jobs so I'm not clear.

 

Good question. Looking at their numbers at SS, they are both--in the small sample sizes--are both league average, to "slight" above average in most if not all defensive catergory. In other words...theortically, the Cubs could put DeRo or Roberts at SS at not be any worse off defensively then if they keep Theriot at SS. In fact, having DeRoa OR Roberts at SS, might be an actually improvement defensively over Theriot. But I would put DeRosa at SS, for the simple fact he has played in 100 more games at SS then Roberts.

 

IMO, the Cubs already have an improvement at SS in house, they'd just refused to give DeRosa the opportunity to play SS.

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I just got this e-mail from Churchill:

 

Baltimore doesnt think they ever make a deal...

 

Chicago still thinks "we can."

 

Outside sources say "They can't stand half the Orioles front office now..."

 

I think that there was never a realistic chance of this ever happening and the media blew it up way too much. We should have known that PGA & Co. wouldn't trade their golden boy.

[RedFlash]

I think that there was never a realistic chance of this ever happening and the media blew it up way too much. We should have known that PGA & Co. wouldn't trade their golden boy.

 

IDK if it was mentioned, but I came across this little tidbit:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/03/angelos-gives-m.html

 

Apparently, it isn't Peter Angelos that's holding up the deal. It's more then likely MacPhail that is holding up the deal. So....as of right now, I doubt anything happens, and I believe if it ain't done by Friday it won't be done before the season is over.

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That's weeks (months maybe) old.

[RedFlash]

That's weeks (months maybe) old.

 

I realize this....but people here---including myself---believes PGA is the man that holding up the deal, when "apparently" that's not true. I honestly believe, it is MacPhail who is trying to squeeze every last prospect he can get for Brian Roberts, nowing Brian is prolly he's last MAJOR trade assets. He's not going to get much fo Mora, Sherrill, Huff, and Millar, thus Roberts is his LAST major asset.