MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[nilodnayr]

why? because roberts is a natural 2B & derosa is a natural utility man.

 

What exactly is a natural utility man?

 

 

http://www.vincekeenan.com/uploaded_images/harrington-725920.jpg

 

Scary that it took you only three minutes to think of this guy, find his picture and post it in this thread.

 

Very scary...

 

That show always creeped me out for some reason.

 

 

FYI, a Mets outsider I know believes this trade has actually already been completed, and voided by the commissioners office.

 

The only way it can be voided by the commissioners office is if $1M or more are changing hands, correct? Jay Payton, come on down?

 

Upon further read, I'm guessing you are being completely facetious.

[YearofDaCubs]

why? because roberts is a natural 2B & derosa is a natural utility man.

 

What exactly is a natural utility man?

 

 

http://www.vincekeenan.com/uploaded_images/harrington-725920.jpg

 

Scary that it took you only three minutes to think of this guy, find his picture and post it in this thread.

 

Very scary...

 

That show always creeped me out for some reason.

 

 

FYI, a Mets outsider I know believes this trade has actually already been completed, and voided by the commissioners office.

 

The only way it can be voided by the commissioners office is if $1M or more are changing hands, correct? Jay Payton, come on down?

 

Upon further read, I'm guessing you are being completely facetious.

Ha, I didn't realize that at first but he did say outsider instead of insider :)

[Old Style]

Can someone help me out and list who all is involved in this supposed deal? I've tried for about 20 minutes to find it, but this thread is just too damn long. Thanks.

[CubColtPacer]

Can someone help me out and list who all is involved in this supposed deal? I've tried for about 20 minutes to find it, but this thread is just too damn long. Thanks.

 

The most common deal that has been rumored is Roberts for Murton, Gallagher, and Patterson. There have been other variations (some include Cedeno, some include Guzman, some include the Cubs taking an Orioles player along with Roberts) but the general deal is the same.

[David]

Can someone help me out and list who all is involved in this supposed deal? I've tried for about 20 minutes to find it, but this thread is just too damn long. Thanks.

 

 

Supposedly it's Murton, Gallagher, and Patterson for Roberts. There is some talk that the O's are trying to squeeze another player, possibly Cedeno, into the package.

[David]

Rats...Late, as usual.

[nilodnayr]

Rats...Late, as usual.

 

Good thing you aren't my girlfriend.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Can someone help me out and list who all is involved in this supposed deal? I've tried for about 20 minutes to find it, but this thread is just too damn long. Thanks.

 

 

Supposedly it's Murton, Gallagher, and Patterson for Roberts. There is some talk that the O's are trying to squeeze another player, possibly Cedeno, into the package.

 

Sounds like the Juan Pierre trade all over again. Too bad Hendry cant nut up and go all out for Bedard.

[RammyFanny]

Can someone help me out and list who all is involved in this supposed deal? I've tried for about 20 minutes to find it, but this thread is just too damn long. Thanks.

 

 

Supposedly it's Murton, Gallagher, and Patterson for Roberts. There is some talk that the O's are trying to squeeze another player, possibly Cedeno, into the package.

 

Sounds like the Juan Pierre trade all over again. Too bad Hendry cant nut up and go all out for Bedard.

Except Brian Roberts, is, well, much better than Pierre. So we won't be getting crap back.

 

And by the way, Nolasco is terrible, Pinto is an decent bullpen arm, and Mitre had a 4.65 ERA with a 1.50 WHIP. I'm not arguing Pierre is good by any means, but it's not like we gave up anything we couldn't easily replace.

 

P.S- We got a very nice prospect in Josh Donaldson for Pierre as well.

[RammyFanny]

BTW, Belkast said he will still get info from his guy but he has to check with him about what he can post. And I know people are skeptical of these guys, but they really are legit. I've known about them for awhile and they've called various deals in the past. As mentioned, they were on the money with the Tejada trade that morning (several hours before any media outlets reported anything) and that deal hadn't been really talked about in the media for a week or so. BTW, here's Belkast in a thread asking what happened with the Roberts deal:

I know I can say this.....The deal should still happen with Roberts.

The only fake stuff that was fed to him by his source that day was that a deal was going to happen that day and that the Reds would include Bruce for Bedard. Everything else in the past was true.

 

Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned but i'm pretty sure the MLB offices are closed down from XMas week until New Years, or something like that. That obviously goes with MacPhail saying nothing will happen until the new year, or whatever that quote said.

[cheapseats]

Rats...Late, as usual.

 

Good thing you aren't my girlfriend.

 

What's your problem with children?

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to McPhil via Rotoword, there is zero truth to the rumor that a trade is close, and theres little to no chance that anything will get done before the new year.

[RammyFanny]

Yeah that was from yesterday...see page 60. Things won't get done until the new year because the MLB offices shut down for the holidays soon (I don't know exactly when).

[RammyFanny]

Kaplan tonight said we have a good deal on the table for Roberts, but the Orioles haven't decided yet becayse they might want to take care of Bedard first. Cubs are pushing for before Christmas, though like I said is not likely due to the league offices being shut down for the holidays. Can anyone confirm the actual days they are shut down?

[traderumor]

Kaplan tonight said we have a good deal on the table for Roberts, but the Orioles haven't decided yet becayse they might want to take care of Bedard first. Cubs are pushing for before Christmas, though like I said is not likely due to the league offices being shut down for the holidays. Can anyone confirm the actual days they are shut down?

 

 

 

Friday was the last business day of the year for Major League Baseball and the 30 club offices, which all close beginning Monday through New Year's Day.

 

And while that doesn't mean that player movement will come to a complete standstill, it perhaps means that the big deals will have to wait until 2008.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...2007&fext=.jsp

[Soul]

Let 'em have their holiday. I'm still not even sure I should be all that excited about this one anyway.

 

Waiting until early Jan for an update is just peachy with me (though I admit my hypocrisy -- I'm checking this thread for updates daily :P )

[Backtobanks]

This morning's Tribune hinted that the White Sox might be interested in Roberts.

[CubinNY]

BTW, Belkast said he will still get info from his guy but he has to check with him about what he can post. And I know people are skeptical of these guys, but they really are legit.

Don't mind me while I laugh at this post

[Post Count Padder]

Anything new?

[RammyFanny]

BTW, Belkast said he will still get info from his guy but he has to check with him about what he can post. And I know people are skeptical of these guys, but they really are legit.

Don't mind me while I laugh at this post

Why? It's true. Don't believe them if you want, but i've seen the mods over their consistently verify them a couple years ago and have seen numerous things they've gotten right pertaining to the Orioles. Things you can't just "guess right". There's a reason that site has been on "My Favorites" for about three years now.

[Athletics36]

Heard today on ESPN 1000 or MASN which is the local sports channel that the talk is Bedard won't be dealt until next season as he is still under the O's control for 2 more years. They were also saying that supposedly "Angelos" wasn't willing to part with Roberts just yet. I know its been reported elsewhere that a trade was close but in listening to the talk show hosts it doesn't sound as if Roberts is going anywhere.

[nilodnayr]

Heard today on ESPN 1000 or MASN which is the local sports channel that the talk is Bedard won't be dealt until next season as he is still under the O's control for 2 more years. They were also saying that supposedly "Angelos" wasn't willing to part with Roberts just yet. I know its been reported elsewhere that a trade was close but in listening to the talk show hosts it doesn't sound as if Roberts is going anywhere.

 

If thats the case and I were Andy, I would tell Angelos "I'm going home, I'll see you after the World Series. You can just mail me my checks. Good luck next year."

 

Seriously, this is the time to start the rebuilding. Teams are more abt to give up more value for 2 years of a player than 1 (obviously). PLUS, with Bedard's injury history, he could get hurt and you could get nothing for him. If the O's don't trade Bedard and Roberts this offseason then it could be the single most detrimental thing Angelos has done to the club (amd that says a lot).

[RammyFanny]

Heard today on ESPN 1000 or MASN which is the local sports channel that the talk is Bedard won't be dealt until next season as he is still under the O's control for 2 more years. They were also saying that supposedly "Angelos" wasn't willing to part with Roberts just yet. I know its been reported elsewhere that a trade was close but in listening to the talk show hosts it doesn't sound as if Roberts is going anywhere.

It was based off an earlier article today, with a couple quotes saying nothing was imminent and "as of right now, Erik is our opening day starter" type of quotes. When asked about a trade he said "You never know" or something along those lines. It was one of those articles with a sort of misleading title in "Bedard likely to be on opening day roster" when there was the just the same ol' quotes every GM gives.

[The Voice of Reason]

Nothing appears imminent with the O's and anybody.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.osnotes22dec22,0,201461.story

 

After listening to trade proposals for his ace for the past couple of months, Andy MacPhail says it is a "strong likelihood" that Erik Bedard will be the Orioles' Opening Day starter rather than being traded.

 

"It's up to [manager] Dave Trembley in the final analysis to set his rotation, but that's what [bedard] is today, and I think that's a strong likelihood," said MacPhail, the Orioles' president of baseball operations. "But that said, you never know."

 

Bedard, a 28-year-old left-hander, is the Orioles' biggest trade chip, and moving him for three to four young and major league-ready players would be one of the quickest ways to accelerate the team's rebuilding process.

 

However, MacPhail's comments, along with recent efforts to resuscitate contract extension talks for Bedard, are strong indications that the Orioles remain unsatisfied with the offers that they are getting for the pitcher, who went 13-5 last season with a 3.16 ERA and set a franchise record with 221 strikeouts.

 

MacPhail has said repeatedly this offseason when asked about Bedard that he is obligated to listen to offers for the pitcher but under no pressure to trade him because he's still two years away from free agency. The Orioles have made it known to interested suitors - and there have been plenty - that they expect three or four prized young players in return. At this point, no team has come close to matching their asking price.

 

The Cincinnati Reds won't include top outfield prospect Jay Bruce in a deal for Bedard. The Los Angeles Dodgers, who some club officials believed were the best fit for a Bedard deal, instead signed Japanese right-hander Hiroki Kuroda and were reluctant to deal outfielder Matt Kemp and pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw, anyway.

 

The Seattle Mariners remain interested in Bedard, even after signing free-agent right-hander Carlos Silva. However, Mariners general manager Bill Bavasi told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that pitcher Brandon Morrow, whom the Orioles covet along with outfielder Adam Jones, is "highly, highly unlikely" to be traded.

 

While not speaking about any specific offers, Trembley said: "My feelings about Erik Bedard have been that he's a legitimate No. 1 starter. I've felt all along that if he was going to be moved, it was going to have to come with a very big return."

 

MacPhail said he is not close to completing any deals.

 

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/roch/blog/2007/12/hot_stove_cooling_off.html

 

To answer a question posed to me yesterday: Trades can be completed during the week between Christmas and Jan. 1, but it doesn't happen often. Some officials will maintain discussions if they believe they're close to a deal.

 

The Orioles don't appear to be close to doing anything at the moment. That's fine if the alternative is trading away Erik Bedard and Brian Roberts for packages that don't suit their needs - immediate and long-term. Better to hold onto them than let teams withhold the Brandon Morrows and Adam Jones and Jay Bruces and Matt Kemps.

[David]

For some reason, I feel like the Mickey Morandini trade was announced on Christmas Eve in 1997. Could be wrong, though.