College Football - Week of 11/24

[dougdescenzo]

Descenzo, I'm with you re: ND in 09 and Jimmy, but man...Jimmy did not play well today. Decent throws on the deep balls, but he wasn't getting rid of the ball under pressure, and when he did he tossed it to a Stanford linebacker. Kudos to the Irish defense for somehow not giving up any points on 4 turnovers.

 

You know who is gonna be great? Robert Hughes. He's been studly of late.

 

Yea, I had visions of Pat Dillingham on that play. I think on two of those plays where he ate it and went out of bounds, they had a screen set up and their were lineman down field so he couldn't throw it away. At least that's what i hope happened because he had been very good at throwing the ball away before today. I can't wait to see what he does when he gets a line that will keep him healthy and give him time along with receivers who get open and learn to help him out when hes in trouble.

 

Watching Robert Hughes run the past two weeks has been a beautiful thing. Ian Williams, Brian Smith, Darrin Walls, Dan Wenger, and Duval Kamara are other underclassmen who make me very happy.

[Andy]

Descenzo, I'm with you re: ND in 09 and Jimmy, but man...Jimmy did not play well today. Decent throws on the deep balls, but he wasn't getting rid of the ball under pressure, and when he did he tossed it to a Stanford linebacker. Kudos to the Irish defense for somehow not giving up any points on 4 turnovers.

 

You know who is gonna be great? Robert Hughes. He's been studly of late.

 

Yea, I had visions of Pat Dillingham on that play. I think on two of those plays where he ate it and went out of bounds, they had a screen set up and their were lineman down field so he couldn't throw it away. At least that's what i hope happened because he had been very good at throwing the ball away before today. I can't wait to see what he does when he gets a line that will keep him healthy and give him time along with receivers who get open and learn to help him out when hes in trouble.

 

Watching Robert Hughes run the past two weeks has been a beautiful thing. Ian Williams, Brian Smith, Darrin Walls, Dan Wenger, and Duval Kamara are other underclassmen who make me very happy.

Kamara is really good. Once he learns to use his size like Stovall did, Jimmy/Hughes/Kamara will be able to do a passable imitation of Quinn/Walker/Samardzija. I'm already excited for 2008.

 

Walls is REALLY good. I'm aching for him to get another shot at covering a top wideout.

 

Throw Kerry Neal on that list of underclassmen I like.

[Guest]

I have a bias against all things Urban Meyer but I'll try to make a fair case anyways. They don't even compare as runners. I think you have to throw out the majority of Tebow's rushing td's simply because they come from inside 8 yards out. I like to compare it to Texas Tech's qb's, you have to take that stat with a grain of salt. White had 34 less carries and over 200 more yards rushing than Tebow coming into today. White's long run was 64 yards whereas Tebow's was 25. While I don't think they compare as runners they are very similar as passers, the only difference is Tebow gets to do it alot more. Tebow has over 100 more attempts than White. They have the same throwing percentage and yards per attempt and White throws fewer interceptions. Also, Pat White has his team on the verge of the National Championship game while Florida is third in their division.

 

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600.

 

And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division.

[shnsajax]

I have a bias against all things Urban Meyer but I'll try to make a fair case anyways. They don't even compare as runners. I think you have to throw out the majority of Tebow's rushing td's simply because they come from inside 8 yards out. I like to compare it to Texas Tech's qb's, you have to take that stat with a grain of salt. White had 34 less carries and over 200 more yards rushing than Tebow coming into today. White's long run was 64 yards whereas Tebow's was 25. While I don't think they compare as runners they are very similar as passers, the only difference is Tebow gets to do it alot more. Tebow has over 100 more attempts than White. They have the same throwing percentage and yards per attempt and White throws fewer interceptions. Also, Pat White has his team on the verge of the National Championship game while Florida is third in their division.

 

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600.

 

And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division.

 

Tebow deserves the Heisman, and had a good shot to repeat given the amount of seniors and McFadden almost a given to go pro. Of course though repeat is always easier said than done, and injuries tend to come durinfg that process.

[SouthSideRyan]

so fsu over uf eh

 

so lsu national title eh?

 

so vanderbilt a good team eh?

 

Gloating over beating fsu is like gloating over beating nd.

[snoodmonger]

All I know is Ill put up where my mouth is if you will. Illinois has the best rushing attack that Florida will have seen all year, and Juice is starting to throw. It doesnt matter anyway, because even when Illinois beats Florida you still wont say the Illini are the better team

 

LSU's rushing attack is better than Illinois'. Are you saying right now that UF will lose to Illinois. Just come out and say it please.

 

You're assuming UF will win this weekend.

 

And that's not going to happen.

 

There's a chance the 'Noles win. Even if they don't they're still going to head the Capital One Bowl. That said, the Gators have to be a ten point favorite at least against FSU. Meyer's nails in home games and nails against rivals.

 

you were one of the only people here who gave FSU a chance. How are you gloating about it now?

[SouthSideRyan]

A mediocre Clemson team just beat South Carolina.

 

SEC!

[dougdescenzo]

I have a bias against all things Urban Meyer but I'll try to make a fair case anyways. They don't even compare as runners. I think you have to throw out the majority of Tebow's rushing td's simply because they come from inside 8 yards out. I like to compare it to Texas Tech's qb's, you have to take that stat with a grain of salt. White had 34 less carries and over 200 more yards rushing than Tebow coming into today. White's long run was 64 yards whereas Tebow's was 25. While I don't think they compare as runners they are very similar as passers, the only difference is Tebow gets to do it alot more. Tebow has over 100 more attempts than White. They have the same throwing percentage and yards per attempt and White throws fewer interceptions. Also, Pat White has his team on the verge of the National Championship game while Florida is third in their division.

 

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600.

 

And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division.

 

You're right, for some reason I was looking at White's stats for last year in the yards per attempt category. If you average out the yards per attempt for White to include as many attempts as Tebow in passing and running you get roughly the same total yards. Then you get into that whole system/talent debate. Yea they play in the same offense but something has to be said for one qb taking that many more snaps than the other in the comparison.

[SouthSideRyan]

Mainly just for Raisin, cause who else would know/care. Could UCLA seriously make the Rose Bowl with the right combo of (outrageous) events next week? Mainly, UCLA and UA winning upsets?

[Mephistopheles]

I have a bias against all things Urban Meyer but I'll try to make a fair case anyways. They don't even compare as runners. I think you have to throw out the majority of Tebow's rushing td's simply because they come from inside 8 yards out. I like to compare it to Texas Tech's qb's, you have to take that stat with a grain of salt. White had 34 less carries and over 200 more yards rushing than Tebow coming into today. White's long run was 64 yards whereas Tebow's was 25. While I don't think they compare as runners they are very similar as passers, the only difference is Tebow gets to do it alot more. Tebow has over 100 more attempts than White. They have the same throwing percentage and yards per attempt and White throws fewer interceptions. Also, Pat White has his team on the verge of the National Championship game while Florida is third in their division.

 

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600.

 

And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division.

 

You're right, for some reason I was looking at White's stats for last year in the yards per attempt category. If you average out the yards per attempt for White to include as many attempts as Tebow in passing and running you get roughly the same total yards. Then you get into that whole system/talent debate. Yea they play in the same offense but something has to be said for one qb taking that many more snaps than the other in the comparison.

 

Tim Tebow's more valuable to his offense because he does not have Slaton, although Harvin's fabulous as a runner. He's not a 25 carry guy. Tebow does not run to pad the stats, he runs because he has to. There's a difference.

[bukie]

Mainly just for Raisin, cause who else would know/care. Could UCLA seriously make the Rose Bowl with the right combo of (outrageous) events next week? Mainly, UCLA and UA winning upsets?

 

Yes, but only if Oregon beats Oregon State. Then yes, UCLA would go to the Rose Bowl.

 

EDIT: Speaking of which, how hilariously bad would a UCLA-Illinois Rose Bowl be? :)

[Guest]

Mainly just for Raisin, cause who else would know/care. Could UCLA seriously make the Rose Bowl with the right combo of (outrageous) events next week? Mainly, UCLA and UA winning upsets?

 

Yes, but only if Oregon beats Oregon State. Then yes, UCLA would go to the Rose Bowl.

 

EDIT: Speaking of which, how hilariously bad would a UCLA-Illinois Rose Bowl be? :)

 

Who would go if Oregon State beats Oregon?

 

I was looking at the tiebreakers on the Pac-10 Website and figured out the 'If Oregon beats Oregon State' scenario. But if Oregon State beats Oregon then ASU, OSU, USC, UCLA are all tied. The first tiebreaker is how you did against the other teams you're tied with which eliminates OSU since they're 0-3 while the other three would all be 2-1. Doing that again and the teams are all 1-1 against each other. Then it says...

 

(2) If more than two teams are still tied after the process above is completed, each remaining tied team's record against the team occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings shall be compared, with the procedure continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

 

which confuses me.

[bukie]

Mainly just for Raisin, cause who else would know/care. Could UCLA seriously make the Rose Bowl with the right combo of (outrageous) events next week? Mainly, UCLA and UA winning upsets?

 

Yes, but only if Oregon beats Oregon State. Then yes, UCLA would go to the Rose Bowl.

 

EDIT: Speaking of which, how hilariously bad would a UCLA-Illinois Rose Bowl be? :)

 

Who would go if Oregon State beats Oregon?

 

I was looking at the tiebreakers on the Pac-10 Website and figured out the 'If Oregon beats Oregon State' scenario. But if Oregon State beats Oregon then ASU, OSU, USC, UCLA are all tied. The first tiebreaker is how you did against the other teams you're tied with which eliminates OSU since they're 0-3 while the other three would all be 2-1. Doing that again and the teams are all 1-1 against each other. Then it says...

 

(2) If more than two teams are still tied after the process above is completed, each remaining tied team's record against the team occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings shall be compared, with the procedure continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

 

which confuses me.

 

Well, it would go down to the game against the next team in the standings, which via the requirements for the tie, would be Arizona. USC is the only team of those three that beat Arizona, so thus USC would go to the Rose Bowl.

Edited November 25, 2007 by bukie

[Guest]

UCLA was the only one of the three to beat Oregon, not USC.

 

EDIT: Unless you meant to type Arizona instead of Oregon in which case it makes sense.

Edited November 25, 2007 by soccer10k

[bukie]

UCLA was the only one of the three to beat Oregon, not USC.

 

Yeah, my bad, I meant to type Arizona.

[snoodmonger]

I understand McFadden had a monster game against LSU, but I don't understand how you gove the award to anyone besides Tebow. He's a TD machine. You can say the losses hurt him, but McFadden is on a team with more losses. I guess I could understand if he were on a 1 or no-loss team. But he's not. It has to be tebow.

[Magnetic Curses]

I understand McFadden had a monster game against LSU, but I don't understand how you gove the award to anyone besides Tebow. He's a TD machine. You can say the losses hurt him, but McFadden is on a team with more losses. I guess I could understand if he were on a 1 or no-loss team. But he's not. It has to be tebow.

 

agreed, tebow is a video game.

[dougdescenzo]

I have a bias against all things Urban Meyer but I'll try to make a fair case anyways. They don't even compare as runners. I think you have to throw out the majority of Tebow's rushing td's simply because they come from inside 8 yards out. I like to compare it to Texas Tech's qb's, you have to take that stat with a grain of salt. White had 34 less carries and over 200 more yards rushing than Tebow coming into today. White's long run was 64 yards whereas Tebow's was 25. While I don't think they compare as runners they are very similar as passers, the only difference is Tebow gets to do it alot more. Tebow has over 100 more attempts than White. They have the same throwing percentage and yards per attempt and White throws fewer interceptions. Also, Pat White has his team on the verge of the National Championship game while Florida is third in their division.

 

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600.

 

And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division.

 

You're right, for some reason I was looking at White's stats for last year in the yards per attempt category. If you average out the yards per attempt for White to include as many attempts as Tebow in passing and running you get roughly the same total yards. Then you get into that whole system/talent debate. Yea they play in the same offense but something has to be said for one qb taking that many more snaps than the other in the comparison.

 

Tim Tebow's more valuable to his offense because he does not have Slaton, although Harvin's fabulous as a runner. He's not a 25 carry guy. Tebow does not run to pad the stats, he runs because he has to. There's a difference.

 

Yea, but i counted 16 td runs by Tebow of 5 yards or less, many more within 10 yards. How much of that is padding the stats and how much is it having nobody else to get it in from inside the 5?

[Guest]

I have a bias against all things Urban Meyer but I'll try to make a fair case anyways. They don't even compare as runners. I think you have to throw out the majority of Tebow's rushing td's simply because they come from inside 8 yards out. I like to compare it to Texas Tech's qb's, you have to take that stat with a grain of salt. White had 34 less carries and over 200 more yards rushing than Tebow coming into today. White's long run was 64 yards whereas Tebow's was 25. While I don't think they compare as runners they are very similar as passers, the only difference is Tebow gets to do it alot more. Tebow has over 100 more attempts than White. They have the same throwing percentage and yards per attempt and White throws fewer interceptions. Also, Pat White has his team on the verge of the National Championship game while Florida is third in their division.

 

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600.

 

And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division.

 

You're right, for some reason I was looking at White's stats for last year in the yards per attempt category. If you average out the yards per attempt for White to include as many attempts as Tebow in passing and running you get roughly the same total yards. Then you get into that whole system/talent debate. Yea they play in the same offense but something has to be said for one qb taking that many more snaps than the other in the comparison.

 

Tim Tebow's more valuable to his offense because he does not have Slaton, although Harvin's fabulous as a runner. He's not a 25 carry guy. Tebow does not run to pad the stats, he runs because he has to. There's a difference.

 

Yea, but i counted 16 td runs by Tebow of 5 yards or less, many more within 10 yards. How much of that is padding the stats and how much is it having nobody else to get it in from inside the 5?

 

I've heard other people on the board suggest this as well and couldn't there be a third option - how much of that is Tebow being the best option to punch it in from that distance. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that the other running backs are garbage but rather speaks about how good Tebow is.

[snoodmonger]

what does it matter? there are RBs who get the ball every time their team is in the RZ, and they don't have as many TDs as him. And chances are Tebow was the one who got them to the 5 yard line anyway.

[Keener98]

so fsu over uf eh

 

So LSU over Arkansas eh?

[dougdescenzo]

I have a bias against all things Urban Meyer but I'll try to make a fair case anyways. They don't even compare as runners. I think you have to throw out the majority of Tebow's rushing td's simply because they come from inside 8 yards out. I like to compare it to Texas Tech's qb's, you have to take that stat with a grain of salt. White had 34 less carries and over 200 more yards rushing than Tebow coming into today. White's long run was 64 yards whereas Tebow's was 25. While I don't think they compare as runners they are very similar as passers, the only difference is Tebow gets to do it alot more. Tebow has over 100 more attempts than White. They have the same throwing percentage and yards per attempt and White throws fewer interceptions. Also, Pat White has his team on the verge of the National Championship game while Florida is third in their division.

 

The bolded is wrong because when I looked earlier, Tebow had the highes yards per attempt average in the nation. After looking it up and putting in today's stats, Tebow's is 9.86 and White's is 8.01. White also didn't even throw for 1500 yards this year - his single game max was 181 which he got twice - while Tebow went over 3000 and only had one game less than 200. Tebow accounted for nearly 4000 yards this year while White was around 2600.

 

And if you're going to criticize Tebow and leave him off partly because his team is third in their division, you better do the same with McFadden because Arkansas is going to finish fourth in their division.

 

You're right, for some reason I was looking at White's stats for last year in the yards per attempt category. If you average out the yards per attempt for White to include as many attempts as Tebow in passing and running you get roughly the same total yards. Then you get into that whole system/talent debate. Yea they play in the same offense but something has to be said for one qb taking that many more snaps than the other in the comparison.

 

Tim Tebow's more valuable to his offense because he does not have Slaton, although Harvin's fabulous as a runner. He's not a 25 carry guy. Tebow does not run to pad the stats, he runs because he has to. There's a difference.

 

Yea, but i counted 16 td runs by Tebow of 5 yards or less, many more within 10 yards. How much of that is padding the stats and how much is it having nobody else to get it in from inside the 5?

 

I've heard other people on the board suggest this as well and couldn't there be a third option - how much of that is Tebow being the best option to punch it in from that distance. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that the other running backs are garbage but rather speaks about how good Tebow is.

 

There's no question running Tebow is the best option Florida has in that scenario he's like 240 pounds and can run well. Having Graham Harrell throw the ball 55 times a game gives Texas Tech the best chance of scoring td's as well. Tebow's stats are just as much a product of system and circumstance as Harrell's yet nobody enters him in the Heisman discussion. Pat White shouldn't be penalized because his team has a better option than using their qb as a battering ram to get a touchdown from the 3 yard line.

[Yanksfan1523]

So:

 

1. WVU

2. Mizzou

3. Ohio State

 

 

What does everyone think about the possability of OSU getting back into the NC Game?

Edited November 25, 2007 by Yanksfan1523

[Mizzou]

So:

 

1. WVU

2. Mizzou

3. Ohio State

 

 

What does everyone think about the possiability of OSU getting back into the NC Game?

Flip Mizzou and WVU and you'll have it. There is no way that West Virginia should be ahead of us right now.

[Yanksfan1523]

So:

 

1. WVU

2. Mizzou

3. Ohio State

 

 

What does everyone think about the possiability of OSU getting back into the NC Game?

Flip Mizzou and WVU and you'll have it. There is no way that West Virginia should be ahead of us right now.

 

Wasn't WVU already #3 and Missou #4?