Trade with Colorado

[SAMMYWHO]

Sean Marshall for Clint Barmes.

 

Barmes has clearly been taken from his job. Tulowitski was already getting the hype of a proven youngster during the playoffs. It just seems when the T.V. and commercials include this type of player they really hit it big, like Cabrera in '03. Fire away.

[abuck1220]

no.

[inari]

No x2.

[USSoccer]

Clint Barmes sucks. An emphatic no.

 

Marshall is worth way more than a backup SS.

[treebird]

IDEA: don't trade valuable assets for players who hit .220/.264/.335 in nearly 500 at bats in the major leagues as a 27 year old.

 

it should also be noted that while barmes' numbers at AAA this year look pretty good initially, they really are nothing special at all. as a 28 year old, he hit .299/.364/.451 on a TEAM that hit .292/.353/.452.

[wekse]

good lord, that's a bad trade proposal.

[HoopsCubs]

Sean Marshall for Clint Barmes.

 

Barmes has clearly been taken from his job. Tulowitski was already getting the hype of a proven youngster during the playoffs. It just seems when the T.V. and commercials include this type of player they really hit it big, like Cabrera in '03. Fire away.

 

What do you see in Barmes that would make you think giving up a 25 year old lefty with a sub 4.00 ERA would be a fair deal? I personally don't like the idea, but maybe I'm missing something.

[JeffH]

A partial list of Marshall's I would not trade for Clint Barmes, let alone Sean:

 

Longtime Hollywood Squares host Peter

Former Cubs manager Jim

TV's Laverne - Penny

Beloved Supreme Court Justice Thurgood

Ubiquitous character actor E.G.

[BigbadB]

I believe Ronny Cedeno or Ryan Theriot can be more productive than Barmes without having to give up any talent.

 

The problem with many players in the Colorado system (like Barmes) is that their AAA farm team plays a lot like Coors Field. The stats you see there can't be used as a true measure of a player's ability.

 

Since Hendry has made that mistake in the past (see Jeromy Burnitz), I would hope he's learned his lesson.

 

Clint Barmes career splits home and away show that he's a 125 OPS+ guy in Coors Field and a 75 OPS+ guy everywhere else.

 

That's basically where the dramatic and very emphasized "NO THANKS" comes from.

[SAMMYWHO]

Geez, I didn't realize he fell off the face of the earth. When he came up he was the leading canidate for ROY until he supposedly fell down the stairs carrying his groceries. Then I think his story changed.

What happened to him, did he not recover from his injury? I guess I have to stop trying to figure out someone who can play short besides Tejada.

[SAMMYWHO]

I believe Ronny Cedeno or Ryan Theriot can be more productive than Barmes without having to give up any talent.

 

The problem with many players in the Colorado system (like Barmes) is that their AAA farm team plays a lot like Coors Field. The stats you see there can't be used as a true measure of a player's ability.

 

Since Hendry has made that mistake in the past (see Jeromy Burnitz), I would hope he's learned his lesson.

 

Clint Barmes career splits home and away show that he's a 125 OPS+ guy in Coors Field and a 75 OPS+ guy everywhere else.

 

That's basically where the dramatic and very emphasized "NO THANKS" comes from.

 

BigBadB: Does your home/away splits kind of say he can't hit a breaking ball. I know pitchers don't get as much movement on their pitches, and I was just curious to think what you'd think if there's a correlation between Coors hitters hitting fastballs better than breaking balls.

[BigbadB]

Geez, I didn't realize he fell off the face of the earth. When he came up he was the leading canidate for ROY until he supposedly fell down the stairs carrying his groceries. Then I think his story changed.

What happened to him, did he not recover from his injury? I guess I have to stop trying to figure out someone who can play short besides Tejada.

 

He just never really did all that much until he started playing in AAA and at SS for the Rockies. If you put Ryan Theriot in AAA in the Colorado Springs, he'd look like the 2nd coming of Troy Tulowitzki.

 

Barmes had a career minor league OPS of 763, which was heavily fueled by his 800+ OPS at Colorado Springs. It would look a lot more like his career major league OPS of 672 if you take away his AAA stats. He was also always old for the leagues he played in.

[BigbadB]

That very well might have something to do with it. His K rate is more than double on the road compared to at home. His SLG is .100 higher at Coors as well, so he benefited from the spacious outfield.

[SAMMYWHO]

Wow, I apologize for such a bad proposal, I'm embarrassed. :oops:

[daske17]

A partial list of Marshall's I would not trade for Clint Barmes, let alone Sean:

 

Longtime Hollywood Squares host Peter

Former Cubs manager Jim

TV's Laverne - Penny

Beloved Supreme Court Justice Thurgood

Ubiquitous character actor E.G.

 

Somewhere Garry Marshall is getting prepared to be traded for Clint Barmes.

[BigbadB]

Wow, I apologize for such a bad proposal, I'm embarrassed. :oops:

 

Heh, don't worry about it. We all do it. I made a proposal last year for Barmes as well, but I don't think I was offering up anything near Marshall.

 

Unfortunately, there really does seem to be a major shortage of SS's available at both the major league level and in the high minors.

 

If the Dodgers could somehow swing a deal for Miguel Cabrera or sign ARod, I'd love to explore the possibility of getting Furcal from them. But, they'd probably sit on Furcal for at least one more year to see if their young top SS prospect is the real deal. If I'm the Dodgers, I certainly wouldn't trade Furcal right now.

[BigbadB]

A partial list of Marshall's I would not trade for Clint Barmes, let alone Sean:

 

Longtime Hollywood Squares host Peter

Former Cubs manager Jim

TV's Laverne - Penny

Beloved Supreme Court Justice Thurgood

Ubiquitous character actor E.G.

 

Somewhere Garry Marshall is getting prepared to be traded for Clint Barmes.

 

Penny Marshall must be fair game.

[Outshined_One]

Since Hendry has made that mistake in the past (see Neifi Perez), I would hope he's learned his lesson.

 

Fixed.

[SaorsaDaonnan]

fun fact: in Clint Barmes' most recent healthy season (2006) he hit .220/.264/.335

 

fun fact: baseball prospectus assessed Barmes' 2006 performance (535 PAs) as "the ninth-worst single-season offensive performance in baseball since 1960 among players with 500 or more plate appearances" (presumably using VORP)

 

fun fact: Clint Barmes' career numbers are .252/.293/.379 (relevant because of his short career)

 

fun fact: Clint Barmes sucks

 

 

edit: I should note that the BP quote was written before the 2007 season began

Edited November 7, 2007 by SaorsaDaonnan

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Well, this thread certainly didn't generate the responses that the author was hoping for.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Wow, I apologize for such a bad proposal, I'm embarrassed. :oops:

Don't sweat it- I proposed we trade for Juan Encarcion back in July. Lord knows what I was smoking.

[Post Count Padder]

Riot, Cedeno, E-Patt>>>>>>>>>>>>Barmes.

 

 

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