College Basketball 2007-2008

[Magnetic Curses]

yeah, mccamey real good. maybe better than deron, ultimately.

Bwhahaha, you cannot be serious. Williams led the conference in assists his freshman year and played point guard on a team that should have won a conference championshp(Typical Wisconsin call at Kohl). Williams was head and shoulders further along at the same point in his career than DMac. How can Illinois fans still underrate how good Deron Williams was for us?

 

yeah, averaging 1.7 more ppg and 1.5 less apg in less minutes. but who's keeping track? and i guess "maybe" and "ultimately" have no meaning for you there, psycho.

Oh so he could ultimately be a top 5 point guard in the NBA. Got anymore orange koolaid predictions? I got Brain Randle becoming Lamar Odom, psycho. Also Williams was our best defender from day one. McCamye can't guard a chair.

 

what? are you sure that you're okay or are you just having an off day, there killer?

 

do not go to dekalb, i repeat, do not go to dekalb.

What the hell are you talking about? How is this acceptable? Making light of what happened in DeKalb?

 

haha, all of your posts are unacceptable, that's what i'm talking about. and i'm afraid for college campuses everywhere.

Ok, sure thing. I guess being a fan of Deron Williams is a crime and unacceptable. Thanks for correcting me.

 

i don't think you know who you are a fan of.

[illiniguy]

yeah, mccamey real good. maybe better than deron, ultimately.

Bwhahaha, you cannot be serious. Williams led the conference in assists his freshman year and played point guard on a team that should have won a conference championshp(Typical Wisconsin call at Kohl). Williams was head and shoulders further along at the same point in his career than DMac. How can Illinois fans still underrate how good Deron Williams was for us?

 

yeah, averaging 1.7 more ppg and 1.5 less apg in less minutes. but who's keeping track? and i guess "maybe" and "ultimately" have no meaning for you there, psycho.

Oh so he could ultimately be a top 5 point guard in the NBA. Got anymore orange koolaid predictions? I got Brain Randle becoming Lamar Odom, psycho. Also Williams was our best defender from day one. McCamye can't guard a chair.

 

what? are you sure that you're okay or are you just having an off day, there killer?

 

do not go to dekalb, i repeat, do not go to dekalb.

What the hell are you talking about? How is this acceptable? Making light of what happened in DeKalb?

 

haha, all of your posts are unacceptable, that's what i'm talking about. and i'm afraid for college campuses everywhere.

Ok, sure thing. I guess being a fan of Deron Williams is a crime and unacceptable. Thanks for correcting me.

 

i don't think you know who you are a fan of.

I am a fan of McCamey, he should be playing all the time. I think I have been saying that before the season started even. I do think he has to get much better on the defensive side of the ball and with his decision making abilities to be compared in a favorable manner to our best point guard ever. Sorry if that is confusing to you. I would compare McCamey more to Frankie Williams myself, another great player, in that he has periods where he is unguardable. But, at the same time, he is lost a good majority of the time on defense and doesn't always make the best choices with the ball.

[Derwood]

i think the "underappreciation" of Williams as a college player comes from the fact that he was always lumped together with Brown and Head. he was never viewed as the star player on that team

[Exile on Waveland]

i think the "underappreciation" of Williams as a college player comes from the fact that he was always lumped together with Brown and Head. he was never viewed as the star player on that team

 

He was though.

Edited February 21, 2008 by Exile on Waveland

[illiniguy]

i think the "underappreciation" of Williams as a college player comes from the fact that he was always lumped together with Brown and Head. he was never viewed as the star player on that team

I think so too, but the talking heads contributed to it. Jay Bilas had a quote about him being the 9th best guard in the ACC. I really don't think he gets or got the credit he deserved. There is more to basketball than just scoring.

Edited February 21, 2008 by illiniguy

[illiniguy]

i think the "underappreciation" of Williams as a college player comes from the fact that he was always lumped together with Brown and Head. he was never viewed as the star player on that team

 

He was.

Really, which guy got player of the year again from everyone? When it was clear that Williams was by far the best player.

[Exile on Waveland]

i think the "underappreciation" of Williams as a college player comes from the fact that he was always lumped together with Brown and Head. he was never viewed as the star player on that team

 

He was.

Really, which guy got player of the year again from everyone? When it was clear that Williams was by far the best player.

 

I changed my post to "He was though." It was unclear. I agree he probably wasn't recognized as the star, but was the star.

[Magnetic Curses]

i think the "underappreciation" of Williams as a college player comes from the fact that he was always lumped together with Brown and Head. he was never viewed as the star player on that team

 

i think he is viewed a star player on that team, if not the best player in illini history. i wouldn't compare him to mccamey, but i would say that mccamey has a chance to be as good or better, i see a lot in mccamey, he may not statistically a better shooter, but his stroke is better and he has the same court vision, he just takes more risks with the ball, but that will change.

[Andy]

I said Ball State wouldn't win a lot of games...we'd have won a few more if Newell hadn't missed 9 games, but still, 5-20. I was on the money there.

 

I said ND should be 13-0 heading into league play (oops) but could never have predicted they'd be in the running for a Big East title into late February - I was figuring middle of the road, 8-seed type season (which could still happen, lest I jinx them).

[Exile on Waveland]

WTHR (Indy NBC affiliate) reporting Sampson out tomorrow with Dakich to replace him on an interim basis.

 

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=7904939

[SouthSideRyan]

WTHR (Indy NBC affiliate) reporting Sampson out tomorrow with Dakich to replace him on an interim basis.

 

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=7904939

 

Permanent plz.

[Exile on Waveland]

WTHR (Indy NBC affiliate) reporting Sampson out tomorrow with Dakich to replace him on an interim basis.

 

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=7904939

 

Permanent plz.

 

Dakich would by no means by my top choice. However, I wouldn't be completely irate -- assuming there's a search. He could do well at IU; his success would likely hinge on getting assistants who can recruit. His coaching is good, his recruiting isn't.

[Magnetic Curses]

greenspan 2 plz.

[hawkeyecub]

I would just like to point out that while I think McCamey looks solid for a freshman and should be starting:

 

He's averaging 7.6 points, 2.6 boards, 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers in 25 minutes. He's shooting terribly. .356% FG, .58%FT, 30%3FG. Those are pedestrian numbers even for a freshman.

 

His offensive efficiency numbers are the worst of any Illini besides Chester Frazier and those were majorly boosted by a couple of games.

 

Williams had 4.5 assists to only 1.8 turnovers, shot 43% from the field and 35% from 3.

[Exile on Waveland]

greenspan 2 plz.

 

PLEASE.

[CubColtPacer]

greenspan 2 plz.

 

After hearing a little more about how little Greenspan had to do with the Sampson hiring, I no longer support his firing. I don't believe his level of responsibility comes anywhere close to being fired.

 

I do wonder if they are pushing Meyer out of the door. It would be very hypocritical if they didn't.

[Exile on Waveland]

greenspan 2 plz.

 

After hearing a little more about how little Greenspan had to do with the Sampson hiring, I no longer support his firing. I don't believe his level of responsibility comes anywhere close to being fired.

 

I do wonder if they are pushing Meyer out of the door. It would be very hypocritical if they didn't.

 

If an athletic director is either too incompetent to stat his case or too weak to put his foot down, he shouldn't be an AD at Indiana. Greenspan wanted Davis fired in 2005 but Herbert vetoed it; it sounds more and more like Greenspan didn't want Sampson but Herbert did. Great. So he's not incompetent, just impotent.

 

Meyer should be gone too.

[CubColtPacer]

greenspan 2 plz.

 

After hearing a little more about how little Greenspan had to do with the Sampson hiring, I no longer support his firing. I don't believe his level of responsibility comes anywhere close to being fired.

 

I do wonder if they are pushing Meyer out of the door. It would be very hypocritical if they didn't.

 

If an athletic director is either too incompetent to stat his case or too weak to put his foot down, he shouldn't be an AD at Indiana. Greenspan wanted Davis fired in 2005 but Herbert vetoed it; it sounds more and more like Greenspan didn't want Sampson but Herbert did. Great. So he's not incompetent, just impotent.

 

Meyer should be gone too.

 

What can you do if your boss overrules you like that? He could quit, but it would be bad for him personally (quitting like that would make it hard for him to get another job at a big university) and it also wouldn't help Indiana out, because Herbert would just overrule the next guy. I don't think Greenspan had many options, and the choosing to wait it out until Herbert left was probably the best one.

[Exile on Waveland]

greenspan 2 plz.

 

After hearing a little more about how little Greenspan had to do with the Sampson hiring, I no longer support his firing. I don't believe his level of responsibility comes anywhere close to being fired.

 

I do wonder if they are pushing Meyer out of the door. It would be very hypocritical if they didn't.

 

If an athletic director is either too incompetent to stat his case or too weak to put his foot down, he shouldn't be an AD at Indiana. Greenspan wanted Davis fired in 2005 but Herbert vetoed it; it sounds more and more like Greenspan didn't want Sampson but Herbert did. Great. So he's not incompetent, just impotent.

 

Meyer should be gone too.

 

What can you do if your boss overrules you like that? He could quit, but it would be bad for him personally (quitting like that would make it hard for him to get another job at a big university) and it also wouldn't help Indiana out, because Herbert would just overrule the next guy. I don't think Greenspan had many options, and the choosing to wait it out until Herbert left was probably the best one.

 

Well, I honestly don't know who has final veto power, the President or the Board of Trustees. But I know a couple Trustees that definitely didn't want Davis back that last year. Greenspan certainly could've appealed to them for that, which would've made them more likely to side with him re: Sampson. A big part of an AD's job is convincing other people that his decision is the correct one, it's pretty clear Greenspan hasn't been able to do this.

[illiniguy]

I would just like to point out that while I think McCamey looks solid for a freshman and should be starting:

 

He's averaging 7.6 points, 2.6 boards, 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers in 25 minutes. He's shooting terribly. .356% FG, .58%FT, 30%3FG. Those are pedestrian numbers even for a freshman.

 

His offensive efficiency numbers are the worst of any Illini besides Chester Frazier and those were majorly boosted by a couple of games.

 

Williams had 4.5 assists to only 1.8 turnovers, shot 43% from the field and 35% from 3.

Apparently you are a murder too.

[Magnetic Curses]

I would just like to point out that while I think McCamey looks solid for a freshman and should be starting:

 

He's averaging 7.6 points, 2.6 boards, 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers in 25 minutes. He's shooting terribly. .356% FG, .58%FT, 30%3FG. Those are pedestrian numbers even for a freshman.

 

His offensive efficiency numbers are the worst of any Illini besides Chester Frazier and those were majorly boosted by a couple of games.

 

Williams had 4.5 assists to only 1.8 turnovers, shot 43% from the field and 35% from 3.

 

deron didn't have to do as much offensively, and played with the bt poy and ftoy. he could afford to be more selective with his shot. plus, he had some great defenders backing him up.

 

who on God's green earth, is going to take shots for this team if it's not mccamey? it definitely looks like either weber isn't interested in making brock the center of the offense, which he should, or brock is too passive to want the ball more. dmac has to take the shots, and he's doing well as of late taking those shots.

[illiniguy]

I would just like to point out that while I think McCamey looks solid for a freshman and should be starting:

 

He's averaging 7.6 points, 2.6 boards, 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers in 25 minutes. He's shooting terribly. .356% FG, .58%FT, 30%3FG. Those are pedestrian numbers even for a freshman.

 

His offensive efficiency numbers are the worst of any Illini besides Chester Frazier and those were majorly boosted by a couple of games.

 

Williams had 4.5 assists to only 1.8 turnovers, shot 43% from the field and 35% from 3.

 

deron didn't have to do as much offensively, and played with the bt poy and ftoy. he could afford to be more selective with his shot. plus, he had some great defenders backing him up.

 

who on God's green earth, is going to take shots for this team if it's not mccamey? it definitely looks like either weber isn't interested in making brock the center of the offense, which he should, or brock is too passive to want the ball more. dmac has to take the shots, and he's doing well as of late taking those shots.

From what I have read Weber is very fed up with Brock because he is always clowing around and doesn't take the game seriously. I don't know how much credence to put into that, but it is at least a theory.

[Andy]

Haha, IU is now being head coached by a guy Ball State fired (Lynch) and now by a guy Ball State fans hated (Dakich, when he was at BG).

 

I draw enjoyment from this fact.

[Magnetic Curses]

I would just like to point out that while I think McCamey looks solid for a freshman and should be starting:

 

He's averaging 7.6 points, 2.6 boards, 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers in 25 minutes. He's shooting terribly. .356% FG, .58%FT, 30%3FG. Those are pedestrian numbers even for a freshman.

 

His offensive efficiency numbers are the worst of any Illini besides Chester Frazier and those were majorly boosted by a couple of games.

 

Williams had 4.5 assists to only 1.8 turnovers, shot 43% from the field and 35% from 3.

Apparently you are a murder too.

 

no, he's a rational human being that posts rational things in response to other rational posts, despite his obvious handicap of being a hawkeye fan. he is not a raving lunatic that goes screaming off into the night at an innocuous statement.

[illiniguy]

I would just like to point out that while I think McCamey looks solid for a freshman and should be starting:

 

He's averaging 7.6 points, 2.6 boards, 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers in 25 minutes. He's shooting terribly. .356% FG, .58%FT, 30%3FG. Those are pedestrian numbers even for a freshman.

 

His offensive efficiency numbers are the worst of any Illini besides Chester Frazier and those were majorly boosted by a couple of games.

 

Williams had 4.5 assists to only 1.8 turnovers, shot 43% from the field and 35% from 3.

Apparently you are a murder too.

 

no, he's a rational human being that posts rational things in response to other rational posts, despite his obvious handicap of being a hawkeye fan. he is not a raving lunatic that goes screaming off into the night at an innocuous statement.

Nah he's a murderer. It is obvious because he questioned McCamey.

Plus I didn't scream about anything. I have been a big supporter of McCamey all year long. But it is your story, keep telling it how you want.