College Basketball 2007-2008

[Keener98]

Call me nuts, but Im predicting the Illini upset Michigan State tonight.

your nuts

 

 

 

 

 

 

(see what I just did there?)

 

What about his nuts?

Bobs getting divorced he shouldnt be thinking bout my nuts, I know its been a long time but come on Bob

[Exile on Waveland]

Why are people surprised that most of the college basketball talk centers around the Big Ten, Southern Illinois, Depaul, etc? It's a Cubs/Chicago board.

Yea the bitching about "omg more Big Ten, IU/UI, etc...." talk is ignorant. The board is made up mostly of people with Illinois roots, or ties to Illinois, hence there likeing of the Cubs. So more than likely those same people are probably going to be fans of a school in IL or the surrounding states, which the majority of them are from the Big Ten, its amazing how that works huh. I bet if you go to the Cardinals board you would find more talk of Memphis, Tenn, Univ. of Stl, etc...

 

But you can never have enough bitching about the Big Ten or their "terrible" teams from those allmighty powerhouse kickass schools in the greatest conference to ever be made up in college sports, the SEC. Maybe we should just give the SEC their own thread since they are the kings of college sports and shouldnt have to be dirtied up by posts surrounded by the Big Ten.

 

Plus, there is no baseball team in Indiana. The Cubs are extremely popular in Indiana, hence me and other IU fans on the board.

 

It's certainly true that the Big Ten is horrible in every sport. Like in football, all we heard on this board is that they had no chance of winning a bowl game against the mighty SEC (which is, obviously a superior conference). However, as happens every other year, the Big Ten did fine. Michigan beat Florida, Penn State nearly beat Tennessee but, of course, OSU got smoked in the title game by LSU. And watch UK finish well (9-11 wins) in the SEC after being humiliated by IU without Gordon, Bassett and Ratliff.

[Keener98]

Why are people surprised that most of the college basketball talk centers around the Big Ten, Southern Illinois, Depaul, etc? It's a Cubs/Chicago board.

Yea the bitching about "omg more Big Ten, IU/UI, etc...." talk is ignorant. The board is made up mostly of people with Illinois roots, or ties to Illinois, hence there likeing of the Cubs. So more than likely those same people are probably going to be fans of a school in IL or the surrounding states, which the majority of them are from the Big Ten, its amazing how that works huh. I bet if you go to the Cardinals board you would find more talk of Memphis, Tenn, Univ. of Stl, etc...

 

But you can never have enough bitching about the Big Ten or their "terrible" teams from those allmighty powerhouse kickass schools in the greatest conference to ever be made up in college sports, the SEC. Maybe we should just give the SEC their own thread since they are the kings of college sports and shouldnt have to be dirtied up by posts surrounded by the Big Ten.

 

Plus, there is no baseball team in Indiana. The Cubs are extremely popular in Indiana, hence me and other IU fans on the board.

 

It's certainly true that the Big Ten is horrible in every sport. Like in football, all we heard on this board is that they had no chance of winning a bowl game against the mighty SEC (which is, obviously a superior conference). However, as happens every other year, the Big Ten did fine. Michigan beat Florida, Penn State nearly beat Tennessee but, of course, OSU got smoked in the title game by LSU. And watch UK finish well (9-11 wins) in the SEC after being humiliated by IU without Gordon, Bassett and Ratliff.

 

Yea all those power house SEC teams in the top 15 is amazing. What a great conference it is. With that said how in the hell is Vandy still ranked after losing 3 of their last 4 games and getting smoked in 2 of those 3?

[Exile on Waveland]

Why are people surprised that most of the college basketball talk centers around the Big Ten, Southern Illinois, Depaul, etc? It's a Cubs/Chicago board.

Yea the bitching about "omg more Big Ten, IU/UI, etc...." talk is ignorant. The board is made up mostly of people with Illinois roots, or ties to Illinois, hence there likeing of the Cubs. So more than likely those same people are probably going to be fans of a school in IL or the surrounding states, which the majority of them are from the Big Ten, its amazing how that works huh. I bet if you go to the Cardinals board you would find more talk of Memphis, Tenn, Univ. of Stl, etc...

 

But you can never have enough bitching about the Big Ten or their "terrible" teams from those allmighty powerhouse kickass schools in the greatest conference to ever be made up in college sports, the SEC. Maybe we should just give the SEC their own thread since they are the kings of college sports and shouldnt have to be dirtied up by posts surrounded by the Big Ten.

 

Plus, there is no baseball team in Indiana. The Cubs are extremely popular in Indiana, hence me and other IU fans on the board.

 

It's certainly true that the Big Ten is horrible in every sport. Like in football, all we heard on this board is that they had no chance of winning a bowl game against the mighty SEC (which is, obviously a superior conference). However, as happens every other year, the Big Ten did fine. Michigan beat Florida, Penn State nearly beat Tennessee but, of course, OSU got smoked in the title game by LSU. And watch UK finish well (9-11 wins) in the SEC after being humiliated by IU without Gordon, Bassett and Ratliff.

 

Yea all those power house SEC teams in the top 15 is amazing. What a great conference it is. With that said how in the hell is Vandy still ranked after losing 3 of their last 4 games and getting smoked in 2 of those 3?

 

Tennessee is very, very good. They're No. 6 in Sagarin and 4-1 against the top-25. However, the rest of the SEC is 1-13 against the top-25, and the win is UK beating UT. UT is 6-1 against the top-25, the rest of the conference is 12-41. (The Big Ten's numbers are ugly at 6-39 and 12-49. But Michigan, Northwestern, Iowa, Penn State and Illinois combine for 0-20 and 2-29.)

 

Vanderbilt shouldn't be ranked (meanwhile, Ohio State probably should be). Gaudy record, but have played a poor schedule and struggled recently. Before the season started, I though Mississippi State would be the second best team in the conference and they're finally starting to live up to that.

[Exile on Waveland]

LOL @ the Big Ten. A middle of the road Big East team beats the "best" big ten team...on the road...with two of their best players suspended.

 

Big Ten better hope for some good draws in the NCAA because they will be lucky to get 1 team to the 2nd weekend at this pace.

 

I meant to respond to this earlier. UConn is NOT a middle of the road Big East team. That's absolutely absurd. They're currently tied for third. They're No. 21 in Sagarin. Their RPI is 19th with the 14th best strength of schedule. UConn has two top-25 wins, and three top-50 wins. Their last three games they beat Marquette by 16, won at IU and beat Louisville. UConn is a surging team that is much better than people think.

 

It's amazing how the Big Ten always stinks. Every year, every sport we hear stuff like this. Right now, the Big Ten has the Nos. 9, 11 and 12 Sagarin teams. Plus, No. 24 and a surging No. 46. If IU plays UConn in the first or second round (they won't) they'll likely lose again -- the Huskies are a terrible matchup for IU. Right now, the Big East is the only other conference with three top-16 Sagarin teams. I'd say at this pace, the Big Ten will do quite well in the tournament. (Now, I certainly agree that IU needs to beat someone of consequence.)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Call me nuts, but Im predicting the Illini upset Michigan State tonight.

your nuts

 

 

 

 

 

 

(see what I just did there?)

 

What about his nuts?

Bobs getting divorced he shouldnt be thinking bout my nuts, I know its been a long time but come on Bob

I'm just wondering how many people had no clue what happened until SSR pointed it out.

[Vanilla Ice]

We interrupt this thread on really boring Big 10 and Mid Major teams to bring you the following report:

 

Tennessee gets their first win in Tuscaloosa in 10 years. And, don't look now, but Chris Lofton finally looks like Chris Lofton.

 

We now return you to your discussion on really boring, subpar basketball teams. (Kansas and UCLA excluded.)

 

Duke, the number three team in the nation, is subpar?

[Hosak8]

We interrupt this thread on really boring Big 10 and Mid Major teams to bring you the following report:

 

Tennessee gets their first win in Tuscaloosa in 10 years. And, don't look now, but Chris Lofton finally looks like Chris Lofton.

 

We now return you to your discussion on really boring, subpar basketball teams. (Kansas and UCLA excluded.)

Tenessee, basketball powerhouse, lol.

 

Awww, that's cute. You lol'd. But, for the record, what is Illinois ranked? And, would you really want to see what would happen if UT and the Illini played this year?

[Hosak8]

Especially funny this year since the SEC is total ass in basketball.

 

Yep, 5 teams in the top 25 is "total ass".

 

Come on, stop with the whining. Is the SEC the best conference in basketball? No way. But to call it "total ass" (as opposed to "down"- which is more accurate) is ignorant and absurd.

[Hosak8]

We interrupt this thread on really boring Big 10 and Mid Major teams to bring you the following report:

 

Tennessee gets their first win in Tuscaloosa in 10 years. And, don't look now, but Chris Lofton finally looks like Chris Lofton.

 

We now return you to your discussion on really boring, subpar basketball teams. (Kansas and UCLA excluded.)

 

Duke, the number three team in the nation, is subpar?

 

Haven't seen that much Duke discussion. With that said, I wouldn't call Duke subpar. Duke is very good, in fact. I'd also LOVE to play Duke, because they just do not match up well with UT. If Duke gets a 1 seed, and UT gets a 2, I pray that it's in the same region. I do NOT want to face Memphis, Kansas, UCLA, or maybe even UNC until the Final Four, if we can get there. Again, not suggesting that Duke is not good, because they clearly are. I just don't think they match up as well with us as some other teams do.

[Andy]

Web sites have ND tabbed as anywhere from a 4 to a 12 seed right now. Winning their next four games (3 at home and at Seton Hall, whom they have no excuse to lose to) would go a long way towards bumping that upwards a bit.

[SouthSideRyan]

Especially funny this year since the SEC is total ass in basketball.

 

Yep, 5 teams in the top 25 is "total ass".

 

Come on, stop with the whining. Is the SEC the best conference in basketball? No way. But to call it "total ass" (as opposed to "down"- which is more accurate) is ignorant and absurd.

 

1 team in Pomeroy's top 25.

 

Total Ass.

[Hosak8]

Especially funny this year since the SEC is total ass in basketball.

 

Yep, 5 teams in the top 25 is "total ass".

 

Come on, stop with the whining. Is the SEC the best conference in basketball? No way. But to call it "total ass" (as opposed to "down"- which is more accurate) is ignorant and absurd.

 

1 team in Pomeroy's top 25.

 

Total Ass.

 

4 in the AP Top 25. 5 in the Coaches Poll. #1, #13, and #14 in the current Real Time RPI.

 

Total Pwnd.

[Exile on Waveland]

Especially funny this year since the SEC is total ass in basketball.

 

Yep, 5 teams in the top 25 is "total ass".

 

Come on, stop with the whining. Is the SEC the best conference in basketball? No way. But to call it "total ass" (as opposed to "down"- which is more accurate) is ignorant and absurd.

 

1 team in Pomeroy's top 25.

 

Total Ass.

 

I was getting ready to post this. Using human polls to support your argument? So lame. Sagarin has the SEC as the sixth best conference, and only UT in the top-25. To be fair, Ole Miss (26) and Florida (29) are just outside. Same with Pomeroy.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pomeroy actually looks at how games play out rather than generically looking at won-loss records.

 

Pomeroyed.

[Guest]

Especially funny this year since the SEC is total ass in basketball.

 

Yep, 5 teams in the top 25 is "total ass".

 

Come on, stop with the whining. Is the SEC the best conference in basketball? No way. But to call it "total ass" (as opposed to "down"- which is more accurate) is ignorant and absurd.

 

1 team in Pomeroy's top 25.

 

Total Ass.

 

4 in the AP Top 25. 5 in the Coaches Poll. #1, #13, and #14 in the current Real Time RPI.

 

Total Pwnd.

 

Pomeroy is far superior to what you listed.

[Vanilla Ice]

Thanks for sending me to the pomeroy rankings. I like that duke splits the carolina series, and only loses by one the first time/

[Hosak8]

Pomeroy actually looks at how games play out rather than generically looking at won-loss records.

 

Pomeroyed.

 

I'm really just busting your balls. I think the Big blows, and would get their collective asses beaten in a conference matchup against the SEC, but I wouldn't really care. I'm not typically a rah-rah SEC guy, because I only really care about UT.

 

The SEC being the best or not at anything isn't really all that important. I do find every other conference's "little man syndrome" and inferiority complexes humorous, however. It's not as bad here, but on Rivals... eesh.

[Hosak8]

Especially funny this year since the SEC is total ass in basketball.

 

Yep, 5 teams in the top 25 is "total ass".

 

Come on, stop with the whining. Is the SEC the best conference in basketball? No way. But to call it "total ass" (as opposed to "down"- which is more accurate) is ignorant and absurd.

 

1 team in Pomeroy's top 25.

 

Total Ass.

 

4 in the AP Top 25. 5 in the Coaches Poll. #1, #13, and #14 in the current Real Time RPI.

 

Total Pwnd.

 

Pomeroy is far superior to what you listed.

 

Yeah... which explains why West Virginia and Xavier are both ranked ahead of a UT team who has beaten both teams... without JP Prince, and with Lofton enduring the worst slump of his career. That makes total sense.

 

And, I am genuinely shocked that NSBB folks would lend credence to the Pomeroy Rankings.

[Hosak8]

Pomeroy actually looks at how games play out rather than generically looking at won-loss records.

 

Pomeroyed.

 

Actually, it doesn't. From the site:

 

"The first thing you should know about this system is that it is designed to be purely predictive. If you’re looking for a system that rates teams on how “good” their season has been, you’ve come to the wrong place"

 

Purely predictive, and does not rate how good a team's season has been.

 

Great way to dig until you find a poll that gives you the results you want.

[SouthSideRyan]

Where do you think the predictive value is coming from?

 

I've been posting about college basketball on here for the past 3-4 years, I've been on Pomeroy's jock the whole time, I'm not just looking for something to denigrate the SEC. I'm looking for a ranking system I value.

[Hosak8]

Where do you think the predictive value is coming from?

 

I've been posting about college basketball on here for the past 3-4 years, I've been on Pomeroy's jock the whole time, I'm not just looking for something to denigrate the SEC. I'm looking for a ranking system I value.

 

It's clearly not coming from reality, or there is no way that WV or Xavier is ranked ahead of Tennessee.

[Vanilla Ice]

Memphis is losing early to Houston 11-15

Kansas barely beating Kansas State 18-16

 

Could this be the week that Duke moves up to number one?

[Exile on Waveland]

Especially funny this year since the SEC is total ass in basketball.

 

Yep, 5 teams in the top 25 is "total ass".

 

Come on, stop with the whining. Is the SEC the best conference in basketball? No way. But to call it "total ass" (as opposed to "down"- which is more accurate) is ignorant and absurd.

 

1 team in Pomeroy's top 25.

 

Total Ass.

 

4 in the AP Top 25. 5 in the Coaches Poll. #1, #13, and #14 in the current Real Time RPI.

 

Total Pwnd.

 

Pomeroy is far superior to what you listed.

 

Yeah... which explains why West Virginia and Xavier are both ranked ahead of a UT team who has beaten both teams... without JP Prince, and with Lofton enduring the worst slump of his career. That makes total sense.

 

And, I am genuinely shocked that NSBB folks would lend credence to the Pomeroy Rankings.

 

First, to your earlier post: the Big Ten would get "their collective ass beaten" by the SEC? The Big Ten is 3-2 against the SEC this year. One of the losses was OSU (fourth-ranked Big Ten team) at UT (easily top-ranked SEC team) in which the Buckeyes led for a long time. IU also dominated UK without Gordon, Bassett and Ratliff. The same UK team that is 3-2 in the SEC, beating both UT and Vanderbilt. Granted, UK wasn't at full strength but what they were missing can't compare to Gordon, et al. The SEC certainly isn't beating any Big Ten ass at this point.

 

But, the thing is, none of that really matters. One isolated game means very little. Meph was right in all the football threads; one game is a crapshoot. Anomalous results happen nearly every night. Just because UT beat Xavier and West Virginia doesn't mean they're better than either (though I believe they certainly are). UNC lost to Maryland, UCLA to USC. Does that mean rankings that have UNC ahead of Maryland or UCLA ahead of USC are bogus? (Not that you could find a ranking that said otherwise; UNC and UCLA are clearly superior teams.)

 

Oh, and Lofton's shooting slump is completely nebulous and irrelevant-- it may be true, but surely you're not suggesting every player plays to his full potential every game? That's the exact reason one game has very little determinative value.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Heh, Mizzou minus the 5 players are only down 2 at half.