College Basketball 2007-2008

[CubColtPacer]

I thought I'd give a grace period afterwards, but was anyone else surprised at IU's decision to start fouling with 1:30 left while down only ~6. I understand UConn's not a great FT shooting team, but they kept sending the best shooter on the team to the line. 1:30 is way too early to start messing around with that IMO.

 

The other head scratcher was Sampson using the last timeout with ~1:20 left when they were just gonna foul Connecticut on the next play anyway.

 

I would have made them pass it off to a worse free throw shooter, but I completely understand starting that early in college basketball. If not, UConn runs 35 seconds off of the clock. Your best case scenario is that you get the ball back with 55 seconds left down 6. At the same time, there's a 50 percent chance that they either 1)make a basket or 2) get the rebound. So you have to hope they don't do either, then you have to come down and make a quick basket. If it's a 2, then you have to foul anyway the next possession (40 seconds left down 4). If it's a 3, then you can maybe gamble that you get the ball back with 5-10 seconds left and can run down and make a 3, but that whole scenario is really idealistic.

 

IU's a good 3 point shooting team. I'd much rather try to trade 3 for 2 or 3 for 1 at that point until you can get it down to 3 or 4 points, and then play defense. Both ways have a small chance of winning, but playing defense with a 35 second shot clock just takes too much time off at that point in the game.

 

I don't understand why he called the timeout there though, and that is a pattern for coaches to call their last timeout way early even though everybody knows what they are going to do. It shouldn't have been called there.

[Guest]

Wow....Syracuse has lost 2 starters to injury, lost a previous starter to grades, one back up for the season and just suspended another starter and we're down to 7 scholarship players. What a tough year so far.

 

Yeah, UCLA was at 7 scholarship players vs. Oregon due to injuries and it was a ridiculously tough battle. Thankfully that was only 1 game for us as Mata-Real came back against OSU.

 

Speaking of Oregon State, Darren Collison dropped a career-high 33 (and Love had 16 and 21). Looks like Collison is finally healthy and rounding into first round pick form again and it's so much fun to watch. :)

[Butterscup1679666578]

ahahaha, we're going to lose every game by 20 instead of 8 now. Awesome.

 

Just think, now Horton gets to take over at PG.

 

Unrelated to Hannah, but I wonder what kind of numbers Beasley is going to put up on Saturday. I'm guessing 45 points and 31 rebounds.

[rawaction]

I thought I'd give a grace period afterwards, but was anyone else surprised at IU's decision to start fouling with 1:30 left while down only ~6. I understand UConn's not a great FT shooting team, but they kept sending the best shooter on the team to the line. 1:30 is way too early to start messing around with that IMO.

 

The other head scratcher was Sampson using the last timeout with ~1:20 left when they were just gonna foul Connecticut on the next play anyway.

 

I'd typically agree; but the only chance in hell IU had to maybe stop UCONN from scoring was to foul and hope they miss. God knows they couldn't stop them otherwise. Price would just wait until the 10-second mark and drive and dish over and over. Pretty pathetic really.

 

My biggest coaching issue in that game was not going to Stemler sooner. Robinson didn't come anywhere near him on the outside. He would have had open shots all game. Sampson made the mistake of trying to matchup with UConn defensively most of the game, instead of making them matchup with us.

[soapy]

I thought I'd give a grace period afterwards, but was anyone else surprised at IU's decision to start fouling with 1:30 left while down only ~6. I understand UConn's not a great FT shooting team, but they kept sending the best shooter on the team to the line. 1:30 is way too early to start messing around with that IMO.

 

The other head scratcher was Sampson using the last timeout with ~1:20 left when they were just gonna foul Connecticut on the next play anyway.

 

I'd typically agree; but the only chance in hell IU had to maybe stop UCONN from scoring was to foul and hope they miss. God knows they couldn't stop them otherwise. Price would just wait until the 10-second mark and drive and dish over and over. Pretty pathetic really.

 

My biggest coaching issue in that game was not going to Stemler sooner. Robinson didn't come anywhere near him on the outside. He would have had open shots all game. Sampson made the mistake of trying to matchup with UConn defensively most of the game, instead of making them matchup with us.

Going with four "guards" (Bassett, Gordon, Crawford, Ellis) was also an option he didn't take advantage of...until it was too late.

I understand wanting to match up, but sometimes you just have to put your five best players out there, period. Like you said, see if you can make them match up with you.

[Guest]

Mayo in trouble? He accepted 2 Lakers tix from Carmelo Anthony. Ruh-roh!

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22807669/

 

Mayo and his family just had to pay the face value of the tickets to charity to avoid any problems with the NCAA.

 

Turns out, if Timmy wasn't complicit in the matter (who really thinks OJ Mayo called Timmy from a party to ask permission to go to a Laker game?), the NCAA would have suspended OJ for at least 6 games: link.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Unrelated to Hannah, but I wonder what kind of numbers Beasley is going to put up on Saturday. I'm guessing 45 points and 31 rebounds.

 

What, are they taking him out at halftime?

 

I really do hope that the game is reasonably close though, if for no other reason than heckling that slimeball Martin is a lot of fun.

[Guest]

Wow....Syracuse has lost 2 starters to injury, lost a previous starter to grades, one back up for the season and just suspended another starter and we're down to 7 scholarship players. What a tough year so far.

 

Yeah, UCLA was at 7 scholarship players vs. Oregon due to injuries and it was a ridiculously tough battle. Thankfully that was only 1 game for us as Mata-Real came back against OSU.

 

Speaking of Oregon State, Darren Collison dropped a career-high 33 (and Love had 16 and 21). Looks like Collison is finally healthy and rounding into first round pick form again and it's so much fun to watch. :)

 

More on Oregon State but, are they even going to win a game in the Pac-10 this year? I mean, they seem to be, pretty clearly, the worst team in the league.

[Guest]

Wow....Syracuse has lost 2 starters to injury, lost a previous starter to grades, one back up for the season and just suspended another starter and we're down to 7 scholarship players. What a tough year so far.

 

Yeah, UCLA was at 7 scholarship players vs. Oregon due to injuries and it was a ridiculously tough battle. Thankfully that was only 1 game for us as Mata-Real came back against OSU.

 

Speaking of Oregon State, Darren Collison dropped a career-high 33 (and Love had 16 and 21). Looks like Collison is finally healthy and rounding into first round pick form again and it's so much fun to watch. :)

 

More on Oregon State but, are they even going to win a game in the Pac-10 this year? I mean, they seem to be, pretty clearly, the worst team in the league.

 

I didn't think they would going into the season and I still don't. They look much better with the interim coach (Mouton?) but they're still a horrible shooting team and it doesn't even look like they run an offense. I think they might have won a game this weekend with the new coach and all that jazz if they were playing someone worse than USC and UCLA but with blowout losses after trying so hard, I think they start to reel again and go winless in the conference.

[Exile on Waveland]

I thought I'd give a grace period afterwards, but was anyone else surprised at IU's decision to start fouling with 1:30 left while down only ~6. I understand UConn's not a great FT shooting team, but they kept sending the best shooter on the team to the line. 1:30 is way too early to start messing around with that IMO.

 

The other head scratcher was Sampson using the last timeout with ~1:20 left when they were just gonna foul Connecticut on the next play anyway.

 

I'd typically agree; but the only chance in hell IU had to maybe stop UCONN from scoring was to foul and hope they miss. God knows they couldn't stop them otherwise. Price would just wait until the 10-second mark and drive and dish over and over. Pretty pathetic really.

 

My biggest coaching issue in that game was not going to Stemler sooner. Robinson didn't come anywhere near him on the outside. He would have had open shots all game. Sampson made the mistake of trying to matchup with UConn defensively most of the game, instead of making them matchup with us.

Going with four "guards" (Bassett, Gordon, Crawford, Ellis) was also an option he didn't take advantage of...until it was too late.

I understand wanting to match up, but sometimes you just have to put your five best players out there, period. Like you said, see if you can make them match up with you.

 

I was screaming for four guards early. IU wasn't rebounding or defending inside anyway (mainly because the Stemler-Mike White-Thomas triumvirate simply isn't good). How much worse could UConn dominate the interior? My guess was not much. Especially when offset by IU getting its best five players on the court. It would've been a gamble, but the status quo wasn't working.

 

However, besides going to four guards too late, IU needed to speed the game up. They did a decent job isolating on offense and using their quickness; they did a terrible job defensively. Sampson kept trying to fit a square peg into a round hole (I'm not sure that's exactly how the saying goes). This game called for a different game plan than normal -- as did his 2002 Final Four loss to Mike Davis. I'm not sure Sampson is capable of that.

[illiniguy]

Loren Tate says the NCAA is going to come down on the Indiana 3 Way call season before the end of this year. Wonder what penalties they come up with?

[soapy]

Loren Tate says the NCAA is going to come down on the Indiana 3 Way call season before the end of this year. Wonder what penalties they come up with?

interesting. this might be a stupid question, but who is Loren Tate? do you have a link? thanks.

[SouthSideRyan]

Loren Tate says the NCAA is going to come down on the Indiana 3 Way call season before the end of this year. Wonder what penalties they come up with?

interesting. this might be a stupid question, but who is Loren Tate? do you have a link? thanks.

 

Champaign News-Gazette. Illini Basketball reporter. His reliability isn't the greatest according to illiniboard.com It's a pay article, apparently he says this:

 

Some things he knows:

-NCAA is chasing complaints from other universities,

-Quizing prep prospects that may have been contacted during dead periods,

-Analyzing Senderoff dealings (including those 2 Ebanks),

-Sampson calls weren't minor when taken in context to prior violations and him being president of Nat Assoc of Basketball Coaches.

 

Here's what he thinks:

Probation, Sampson and Greenspan are gone. Zero tolerance and lack of support by Alumni and former players brings down the house of cards.

[illiniguy]

Loren Tate says the NCAA is going to come down on the Indiana 3 Way call season before the end of this year. Wonder what penalties they come up with?

interesting. this might be a stupid question, but who is Loren Tate? do you have a link? thanks.

 

Champaign News-Gazette. Illini Basketball reporter. His reliability isn't the greatest according to illiniboard.com It's a pay article, apparently he says this:

 

Some things he knows:

-NCAA is chasing complaints from other universities,

-Quizing prep prospects that may have been contacted during dead periods,

-Analyzing Senderoff dealings (including those 2 Ebanks),

-Sampson calls weren't minor when taken in context to prior violations and him being president of Nat Assoc of Basketball Coaches.

 

Here's what he thinks:

Probation, Sampson and Greenspan are gone. Zero tolerance and lack of support by Alumni and former players brings down the house of cards.

I think that's because RG didn't retire. Oh and Liggins didn't commit and it has been 3 weeks.

[soapy]

Loren Tate says the NCAA is going to come down on the Indiana 3 Way call season before the end of this year. Wonder what penalties they come up with?

interesting. this might be a stupid question, but who is Loren Tate? do you have a link? thanks.

 

Champaign News-Gazette. Illini Basketball reporter. His reliability isn't the greatest according to illiniboard.com It's a pay article, apparently he says this:

 

Some things he knows:

-NCAA is chasing complaints from other universities,

-Quizing prep prospects that may have been contacted during dead periods,

-Analyzing Senderoff dealings (including those 2 Ebanks),

-Sampson calls weren't minor when taken in context to prior violations and him being president of Nat Assoc of Basketball Coaches.

 

Here's what he thinks:

Probation, Sampson and Greenspan are gone. Zero tolerance and lack of support by Alumni and former players brings down the house of cards.

thanks.

 

interesting take. though the actual violation may seem minor when looked at in a vacumm, i do agree they aren't minor in Sampson's case once you consider the prior violations. if probation is the end result, i'm not sure i agree Sampson and Greenspan are gone. most of this just sounds like speculation on his Tate's part, but maybe he has some inside sources.

[TruffleShuffle]

a new low for psu hoops

[Exile on Waveland]

Loren Tate says the NCAA is going to come down on the Indiana 3 Way call season before the end of this year. Wonder what penalties they come up with?

interesting. this might be a stupid question, but who is Loren Tate? do you have a link? thanks.

 

Champaign News-Gazette. Illini Basketball reporter. His reliability isn't the greatest according to illiniboard.com It's a pay article, apparently he says this:

 

Some things he knows:

-NCAA is chasing complaints from other universities,

-Quizing prep prospects that may have been contacted during dead periods,

-Analyzing Senderoff dealings (including those 2 Ebanks),

-Sampson calls weren't minor when taken in context to prior violations and him being president of Nat Assoc of Basketball Coaches.

 

Here's what he thinks:

Probation, Sampson and Greenspan are gone. Zero tolerance and lack of support by Alumni and former players brings down the house of cards.

thanks.

 

interesting take. though the actual violation may seem minor when looked at in a vacumm, i do agree they aren't minor in Sampson's case once you consider the prior violations. if probation is the end result, i'm not sure i agree Sampson and Greenspan are gone. most of this just sounds like speculation on his Tate's part, but maybe he has some inside sources.

 

If probation* is the end result, Sampson and Greenspan better be gone. Hiring a coach under investigation was already a huge mistake; allowing the same coach to put IU on probation -- a place they've never been for basketball -- would be a travesty.

 

*"Probation" is a nebulous term. What exactly does he mean by that? They're already a scholarship short. If NCAA-induced, is that probation? I'm assuming "probation" in this context means some kind of post-season ban. I really don't think that will happen, but, if it does, house should be cleaned.

[soapy]

 

*"Probation" is a nebulous term. What exactly does he mean by that? They're already a scholarship short. If NCAA-induced, is that probation? I'm assuming "probation" in this context means some kind of post-season ban. I really don't think that will happen, but, if it does, house should be cleaned.

i was assuming probation did not involve a post-season ban.

[Derwood]

a new low for psu hoops

 

they never should have moved out of Rec Hall. It was their own version of Cameron Indoor; student standing a foot out of bounds, packed to the rafters, loud as all get out. now they're playing in an airport hangar with the first 10 rows reserved for boosters/alumni who never show up

[TruffleShuffle]

a new low for psu hoops

 

they never should have moved out of Rec Hall. It was their own version of Cameron Indoor; student standing a foot out of bounds, packed to the rafters, loud as all get out. now they're playing in an airport hangar with the first 10 rows reserved for boosters/alumni who never show up

 

moving out of rec hall would've been a good move if the basketball team didn't suck every year. people don't go to games because they don't want to waste 3 hours watching the inevitable slaughter of a team that probably won't even make the NIT (and that's most years, obviously this year they're not going)

[Flames24Rulz]

SIU-Evansville tonight. If we win, we're over .500. And we should seeing how we beat those bastards for our only road W of the year.

[snoodmonger]

 

*"Probation" is a nebulous term. What exactly does he mean by that? They're already a scholarship short. If NCAA-induced, is that probation? I'm assuming "probation" in this context means some kind of post-season ban. I really don't think that will happen, but, if it does, house should be cleaned.

i was assuming probation did not involve a post-season ban.

 

Yeah, probably not. Just a scholly reduction and a shorter leash for the next mistake.

[SouthSideRyan]

I fully admit my biases, but a "tighter leash" and a scholly reduction seems like nothing to me. IU already was short a scholly for next year because Bud Mackey was on crack. A tighter leash was supposedly already on Sampson since he had violations at OU. Samspon violated those terms and you just are going to tighten the leash again?

 

Fool me once...

[snoodmonger]

I fully admit my biases, but a "tighter leash" and a scholly reduction seems like nothing to me. IU already was short a scholly for next year because Bud Mackey was on crack. A tighter leash was supposedly already on Sampson since he had violations at OU. Samspon violated those terms and you just are going to tighten the leash again?

 

Fool me once...

 

 

I could be wrong. They might already be on a tighter leash due to Sampson's earlier improprieties. I was just thinking with regards to KU's recent run-in under Roy's watch. There were some gifts given to players, and Darnell Jackson took some cash from a "longtime friend," and we got tapped pretty lightly.

 

The football team had worse violations (fudging grades). Overall, I think we were hit with the Lack of Inst. Control, and all it cost us was schollies for both teams, no post-season bans. In a vacuum, those violations are worse than the ones at IU (unless I misunderstood the nature of the violations there), but maybe Sampson's history will be a fctor.

[SouthSideRyan]

I fully admit my biases, but a "tighter leash" and a scholly reduction seems like nothing to me. IU already was short a scholly for next year because Bud Mackey was on crack. A tighter leash was supposedly already on Sampson since he had violations at OU. Samspon violated those terms and you just are going to tighten the leash again?

 

Fool me once...

 

 

I could be wrong. They might already be on a tighter leash due to Sampson's earlier improprieties. I was just thinking with regards to KU's recent run-in under Roy's watch. There were some gifts given to players, and Darnell Jackson took some cash from a "longtime friend," and we got tapped pretty lightly.

 

The football team had worse violations (fudging grades). Overall, I think we were hit with the Lack of Inst. Control, and all it cost us was schollies for both teams, no post-season bans. In a vacuum, those violations are worse than the ones at IU (unless I misunderstood the nature of the violations there), but maybe Sampson's history will be a fctor.

 

The violations themselves at IU aren't the problem.(They are rather minor.) It's that they are the same type of violations he committed previously at OU, and that he was reprimanded for. Kinda an eff you to the NCAA.