'08 Cubs Second Base

[Sammy Sofa]

This is absurd.

 

The insane love for Theriot just keeps getting nuttier and nuttier.

[nilodnayr]

DeRosa's BABIP for the last two years were 343 and 348, higher than league average, HOWEVER, his LD% was 22.1% and 22.6%, and he had high GB%, which would put his eBABIP, right at where his actual BABIP was. Long story short, his last two years were not flukey.

 

 

Theirot's 2006 AAA MLE was 367/379, 2005 AA MLE was 365/391, 2004 A MLE was 367/342.

 

His 2007 326/346 is pretty inline with his minor league MLEs.

 

The numbers show that 2007 Theriot and 2007 DeRosa are right around what we should expect of them over the next couple years.

 

Sidenote: BP 2007 Projections

 

Theriot: 331/360

DeRosa: 347/448

[UK1679666180]

Derosa should be an ideal #7 hitter for this team. Theriot should be an ideal utility player for them.

[Brian]

Grizzled, manly, semi-bearded MIF > cute, cuddly, gritty MIF

 

end of thread.

[jaydee]

theriot is not a good hitter, not even close. derosa is better at everything

[TBone]

So let's pretend we get Renteria or A-Rod to play short?

 

I think I pretended more realistic things when I was a kid pretending to be Walter Payton than pretending we get Renteia or A-Rod given the potential sale or no-sale of the Cubs in a timely manner.

 

That being said, I'll take DeRo any day over Riot. I'd much rather see Riot being the utility guy who can spell guys or take over for an injury. Yes, his speed is better, but that's about the only thing that he has going for him other than possibly D over DeRo. With an offense that's inconsistent, we can use any "decent" bat in the lineup over another horribly inconsistent singles hitter.

 

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[Ding Dong Johnson]

I wish people would stop thinking Theriot is better than he actually is.

[rocket]

sign eckstein and move theriot to second. sign paul lo duca to play catcher. trade aram for scott rolen. murton + pie for ryan freel. lee + soriano for white, unselfish minor league hustlers. convince jt snow to come out of retirement, sign scott podsednik, and here's your 2008 cubs:

 

1. podsednik lf

2. eckstein ss

3. rolen 3b

4. jacque jones cf

5. lo duca c

6. jt snow 1b

7. freel rf

8. theriot 2b

 

even if this team sucks, at least they play the game the right way and do all the little things.

[Drew Doughty]

sign eckstein and move theriot to second. sign paul lo duca to play catcher. trade aram for scott rolen. murton + pie for ryan freel. lee + soriano for white, unselfish minor league hustlers. convince jt snow to come out of retirement, sign scott podsednik, and here's your 2008 cubs:

 

1. podsednik lf

2. eckstein ss

3. rolen 3b

4. jacque jones cf

5. lo duca c

6. jt snow 1b

7. freel rf

8. theriot 2b

 

even if this team sucks, at least they play the game the right way and do all the little things.

 

jacque jones to the white sox for darin erstad.

[rocket]

sign eckstein and move theriot to second. sign paul lo duca to play catcher. trade aram for scott rolen. murton + pie for ryan freel. lee + soriano for white, unselfish minor league hustlers. convince jt snow to come out of retirement, sign scott podsednik, and here's your 2008 cubs:

 

1. podsednik lf

2. eckstein ss

3. rolen 3b

4. jacque jones cf

5. lo duca c

6. jt snow 1b

7. freel rf

8. theriot 2b

 

even if this team sucks, at least they play the game the right way and do all the little things.

 

jacque jones to the white sox for darin erstad.

 

i thought that too, but then gordon wittenmeyer showed me the error of that thinking. the #1 priority this offseason is to stand pat with jacque jones in center.

[Rob]

theriot is not a good hitter, not even close. derosa is better at everything

 

Well, Theriot is better on the basepaths... but not nearly enough better to cover the gap in their value.

 

While I like Theriot, I honestly think our team is better off without him entirely. Lou seems to have developed a huge man-crush on the kid, and let's face it, he has almost no offensive potential. If we sign a guy like ARod to cover short, Lou will be smart enough to bench Theriot... but I don't ever see Cedeno getting another shot at the job, and Cedeno actually has the potential to do something with the bat.

[NCCubFan]

Who's to say the last two years for DeRo weren't fluky.

One year better than his past performance could have been a fluke, but not two in a row. It clearly shows he's stepped up. Derosa >>>>>>>>>> Theriot, no question about it.

[shnsajax]

DEROSA IS BETTER THAN THERIOT... he is actually much better.

 

is this really a thread?

 

I keep reading it waiting to figure out what the joke is, but I don't get it.

[KJ4578]

Anybody consider K's per AB?

 

Theriot: 1 per 9.77 ABs

 

Derosa: 1 per 5.66 ABs

[David]

Anybody consider K's per AB?

 

Theriot: 1 per 9.77 ABs

 

Derosa: 1 per 5.66 ABs

 

No.

[jersey cubs fan]

I haven't read this thread, but it looks to me like some person or persons are trying to argue that Theriot is better than DeRosa.

 

I really hope not.

 

 

Anyway, 2008 2B belongs to DeRosa, unless the Cubs need to deal him in order to clear some payroll for a significant upgrade elsewhere. Mark is a nice player who is a safe bet to OPS+ around 100 the next two years. But I'd be willing to platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2B, maybe OPS around 750-780 with an OPS+ between 95-100, if trading DeRosa facilitates a bigger improvement elsewhere. It would be taking a small hit at 2B for what would have to be a huge step forward at SS.

[NewUserName]

Anybody consider K's per AB?

 

Theriot: 1 per 9.77 ABs

 

Derosa: 1 per 5.66 ABs

 

No.

 

I wonder what there grittiness per AB rates were.

[XZero771679666304]

I haven't read this thread, but it looks to me like some person or persons are trying to argue that Theriot is better than DeRosa.

 

I really hope not.

 

 

Yeah, there really is no argument here at all.

 

I think that Theriot's popularity is obscuring reality for some.

[NewUserName]

sign eckstein and move theriot to second. sign paul lo duca to play catcher. trade aram for scott rolen. murton + pie for ryan freel. lee + soriano for white, unselfish minor league hustlers. convince jt snow to come out of retirement, sign scott podsednik, and here's your 2008 cubs:

 

1. podsednik lf

2. eckstein ss

3. rolen 3b

4. jacque jones cf

5. lo duca c

6. jt snow 1b

7. freel rf

8. theriot 2b

 

even if this team sucks, at least they play the game the right way and do all the little things.

 

jacque jones to the white sox for darin erstad.

 

i thought that too, but then gordon wittenmeyer showed me the error of that thinking. the #1 priority this offseason is to stand pat with jacque jones in center.

 

 

He probably never considered that the Cubs could possibly get Erstad for Jones. I think if he knew that this was an option he would openly endorse this trade.

[inari]

Who's to say the last two years for DeRo weren't fluky.

 

Who's to say Theriot will end up having a fluke year and put up good numbers? I'm not banking on it.

[Skyballer]

I haven't read this thread, but it looks to me like some person or persons are trying to argue that Theriot is better than DeRosa.

 

I really hope not.

 

 

Anyway, 2008 2B belongs to DeRosa, unless the Cubs need to deal him in order to clear some payroll for a significant upgrade elsewhere. Mark is a nice player who is a safe bet to OPS+ around 100 the next two years. But I'd be willing to platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2B, maybe OPS around 750-780 with an OPS+ between 95-100, if trading DeRosa facilitates a bigger improvement elsewhere. It would be taking a small hit at 2B for what would have to be a huge step forward at SS.

I never said Theriot was better than DeRosa, what I did say was a interrogative statement asking why one automatically assumes DeRosa instantly gets the job at 2b over Theriot-if Theriot is forced from short that is-without competiton during spring training.

[Mizzou]

I haven't read this thread, but it looks to me like some person or persons are trying to argue that Theriot is better than DeRosa.

 

I really hope not.

 

 

Anyway, 2008 2B belongs to DeRosa, unless the Cubs need to deal him in order to clear some payroll for a significant upgrade elsewhere. Mark is a nice player who is a safe bet to OPS+ around 100 the next two years. But I'd be willing to platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2B, maybe OPS around 750-780 with an OPS+ between 95-100, if trading DeRosa facilitates a bigger improvement elsewhere. It would be taking a small hit at 2B for what would have to be a huge step forward at SS.

I never said Theriot was better than DeRosa, what I did say was a interrogative statement asking why one automatically assumes DeRosa instantly gets the job at 2b over Theriot-if Theriot is forced from short that is-without competiton during spring training.

Haha, what?

 

And DeRosa should automatically be given the job because he's better than Theriot. The same reason Derrek Lee won't be battling Darryl Ward for the starting 1B job in Spring Training.

[Skyballer]

I haven't read this thread, but it looks to me like some person or persons are trying to argue that Theriot is better than DeRosa.

 

I really hope not.

 

 

Anyway, 2008 2B belongs to DeRosa, unless the Cubs need to deal him in order to clear some payroll for a significant upgrade elsewhere. Mark is a nice player who is a safe bet to OPS+ around 100 the next two years. But I'd be willing to platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2B, maybe OPS around 750-780 with an OPS+ between 95-100, if trading DeRosa facilitates a bigger improvement elsewhere. It would be taking a small hit at 2B for what would have to be a huge step forward at SS.

I never said Theriot was better than DeRosa, what I did say was a interrogative statement asking why one automatically assumes DeRosa instantly gets the job at 2b over Theriot-if Theriot is forced from short that is-without competiton during spring training.

Haha, what?

 

And DeRosa should automatically be given the job because he's better than Theriot. The same reason Derrek Lee won't be battling Darryl Ward for the starting 1B job in Spring Training.

Did you just compare Lee-Ward and DeRosa-Theriot? I really hope you didn't, I'm disgusted at the comparison.

[jersey cubs fan]

I haven't read this thread, but it looks to me like some person or persons are trying to argue that Theriot is better than DeRosa.

 

I really hope not.

 

 

Anyway, 2008 2B belongs to DeRosa, unless the Cubs need to deal him in order to clear some payroll for a significant upgrade elsewhere. Mark is a nice player who is a safe bet to OPS+ around 100 the next two years. But I'd be willing to platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2B, maybe OPS around 750-780 with an OPS+ between 95-100, if trading DeRosa facilitates a bigger improvement elsewhere. It would be taking a small hit at 2B for what would have to be a huge step forward at SS.

I never said Theriot was better than DeRosa, what I did say was a interrogative statement asking why one automatically assumes DeRosa instantly gets the job at 2b over Theriot-if Theriot is forced from short that is-without competiton during spring training.

 

DeRosa is slated for the job because he's clearly better than Theriot. There's really no question.

[David]

I haven't read this thread, but it looks to me like some person or persons are trying to argue that Theriot is better than DeRosa.

 

I really hope not.

 

 

Anyway, 2008 2B belongs to DeRosa, unless the Cubs need to deal him in order to clear some payroll for a significant upgrade elsewhere. Mark is a nice player who is a safe bet to OPS+ around 100 the next two years. But I'd be willing to platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2B, maybe OPS around 750-780 with an OPS+ between 95-100, if trading DeRosa facilitates a bigger improvement elsewhere. It would be taking a small hit at 2B for what would have to be a huge step forward at SS.

I never said Theriot was better than DeRosa, what I did say was a interrogative statement asking why one automatically assumes DeRosa instantly gets the job at 2b over Theriot-if Theriot is forced from short that is-without competiton during spring training.

Haha, what?

 

And DeRosa should automatically be given the job because he's better than Theriot. The same reason Derrek Lee won't be battling Darryl Ward for the starting 1B job in Spring Training.

Did you just compare Lee-Ward and DeRosa-Theriot? I really hope you didn't, I'm disgusted at the comparison.

 

Jobs should never be won or lost based on spring training, anyway. Period.