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If Soto can give a 20/80/280/350 line I have no interest in Posada.

 

I would like to see the Cubs find a SS like the Fish got. Get a good young SS that would be cheap for 3 or so years. I'm sure they won't find one as good but I'd over pay some pitching prospects for one if there is one out there. That would keep the costs down and help with the Salary Budget. Then I'd look for an impact bat for right.

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Well, as I look ahead to 2008, we have the following spots locked up:

 

1b Lee

2b DeRosa

3b Ramirez

LF Soriano

 

To fill the spots internally, we'd use Theriot/Cedeno at SS, Soto at C, Jones or Pie in CF, and Murton in RF.

 

Any of those four spots could be upgraded via trade or free agency. I think it is imperative that we upgrade one and probably should look to upgrading two of those spots.

 

As with everyone, Arod would be the top of my list if he's available. Right now, I find it hard to believe he will be. (And yes, I've heard all the reasons he will opt out or whatever, but I still have serious doubts.)

 

A few players that I'd take a long hard look at:

 

1. Renteria. The Braves will probably look to move him to make room for Yunil Escobar. He's a solid hitter who would be great hitting behind Soriano in the line-up. I'd offer a package centering around Sean Marshall and see if the Braves bite.

 

2. Posada- Like Arod, I really don't see him leaving NY. If he really is willing to sign elsewhere, I'd love to have Posada at catcher next season with Soto as the back-up.

 

3. Fukudome. My desire to see this guy join the Cubs is no secret. I think he'd be a success for the Cubs. Furthermore, his ability to play both CF or RF, allows the Cubs to choose to keep Jones, play Pie, or Murton. It gives us a lot of options.

 

4. Tejeda. My concern with Tejeda is that his defense is slipping. How bad is it? I don't know. It's not enough to make me pass, but it's enough for me to slide him down my list of options.

 

5. Adam Dunn. Yeah, I know most of you are shocked it took me until number five before I brought him up. The main reason, I consider him a long shot is I forsee the Reds picking up his option and not trading him until July 2008. Another drawback is that Soriano would need to move to right and it appears as if Lou isn't going to do that. Dunn could likely play RF as well as Floyd did this season, but I don't see that as something the Cubs are willing to experiment with.

 

6. Andruw Jones. I know many don't want him. He's definitely not my first option. But, there is a chance for him to have a bounce back season. He won't be cheap, and I'd probably pass, but it also wouldn't hurt to keep him in the discussions.

 

7. Barry Bonds. He has his issues and would require the same move of Soriano to right as Dunn would. I think he's a huge longshot, but if the price is right (7-9 million), I'd sign Bonds in a heartbeat.

 

8. Mike Cameron. Cameron plays great defense while providing some pop. He's not my top acquisition, but if the Cubs traded for Renteria, then Pie/Murton or Jones/Murton could platoon in RF and I think the Cubs would be much better than they currently are.

 

9. Bobby Abreu.

 

Noticeably absent are pitchers from my list. While I'm not opposed to upgrading the rotation, I think the Cubs could be ok with a group that includes Zambrano/Lilly/Hill at the top with Marquis and one of Marshall (Who I'd probably trade)/Gallagher/Hart/Prior rounding out the bottom.

 

Very nice summary - what are the main doubts behind Jones? I know he had a terrible year but is he hurt? His BABIP is about 30 points below average - he'd have numbers on par with his career average if his BABIP were 30 pts higher.

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Well, as I look ahead to 2008, we have the following spots locked up:

 

1b Lee

2b DeRosa

3b Ramirez

LF Soriano

 

To fill the spots internally, we'd use Theriot/Cedeno at SS, Soto at C, Jones or Pie in CF, and Murton in RF.

 

Any of those four spots could be upgraded via trade or free agency. I think it is imperative that we upgrade one and probably should look to upgrading two of those spots.

 

As with everyone, Arod would be the top of my list if he's available. Right now, I find it hard to believe he will be. (And yes, I've heard all the reasons he will opt out or whatever, but I still have serious doubts.)

 

A few players that I'd take a long hard look at:

 

1. Renteria. The Braves will probably look to move him to make room for Yunil Escobar. He's a solid hitter who would be great hitting behind Soriano in the line-up. I'd offer a package centering around Sean Marshall and see if the Braves bite.

 

2. Posada- Like Arod, I really don't see him leaving NY. If he really is willing to sign elsewhere, I'd love to have Posada at catcher next season with Soto as the back-up.

 

3. Fukudome. My desire to see this guy join the Cubs is no secret. I think he'd be a success for the Cubs. Furthermore, his ability to play both CF or RF, allows the Cubs to choose to keep Jones, play Pie, or Murton. It gives us a lot of options.

 

4. Tejeda. My concern with Tejeda is that his defense is slipping. How bad is it? I don't know. It's not enough to make me pass, but it's enough for me to slide him down my list of options.

 

5. Adam Dunn. Yeah, I know most of you are shocked it took me until number five before I brought him up. The main reason, I consider him a long shot is I forsee the Reds picking up his option and not trading him until July 2008. Another drawback is that Soriano would need to move to right and it appears as if Lou isn't going to do that. Dunn could likely play RF as well as Floyd did this season, but I don't see that as something the Cubs are willing to experiment with.

 

6. Andruw Jones. I know many don't want him. He's definitely not my first option. But, there is a chance for him to have a bounce back season. He won't be cheap, and I'd probably pass, but it also wouldn't hurt to keep him in the discussions.

 

7. Barry Bonds. He has his issues and would require the same move of Soriano to right as Dunn would. I think he's a huge longshot, but if the price is right (7-9 million), I'd sign Bonds in a heartbeat.

 

8. Mike Cameron. Cameron plays great defense while providing some pop. He's not my top acquisition, but if the Cubs traded for Renteria, then Pie/Murton or Jones/Murton could platoon in RF and I think the Cubs would be much better than they currently are.

 

9. Bobby Abreu.

 

Noticeably absent are pitchers from my list. While I'm not opposed to upgrading the rotation, I think the Cubs could be ok with a group that includes Zambrano/Lilly/Hill at the top with Marquis and one of Marshall (Who I'd probably trade)/Gallagher/Hart/Prior rounding out the bottom.

 

I agree that Renteria should be a great fit and easily attainable. Marshall plus Theriot/Cedeno might get it done. If Fukudome can make the adjustment to major league pitching, he would be exactly what the Cubs need. Unless Pie and Murton really show some offense in spring training and early in the season, I can't see the Cubs trusting either one as regulars. I'm not very interested in the other players you mentioned, mostly because of their costs.

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7. Barry Bonds. He has his issues and would require the same move of Soriano to right as Dunn would. I think he's a huge longshot, but if the price is right (7-9 million), I'd sign Bonds in a heartbeat.

 

http://www.gifflix.com/data/media/81/oswald1.jpg

 

Oh wait...it's Vance.

 

Well there's something that I never noticed in that picture: the dude holding onto Oswald's pants.

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7. Barry Bonds. He has his issues and would require the same move of Soriano to right as Dunn would. I think he's a huge longshot, but if the price is right (7-9 million), I'd sign Bonds in a heartbeat.

 

http://www.gifflix.com/data/media/81/oswald1.jpg

 

Oh wait...it's Vance.

 

Well there's something that I never noticed in that picture: the dude holding onto Oswald's pants.

 

Also the only one wearing white.

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I think the Cubs will explore trading Dempster and look to move Howry or Wood into the closer's role. I can't say that I'd disagree with doing that.
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I hope we do not sign a FA for CF. Hunter, Jones, Cameron, and Rowand are all going to land boku bucks. If we are going to go outside the organization, I'd like to see them get Covelli. The BoSox are most likely going to move him to make room for Ellsbury. They aren't really looking to upgrade the major league team so we can probably dish some pitching prospects for him.
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I think the Cubs will explore trading Dempster and look to move Howry or Wood into the closer's role. I can't say that I'd disagree with doing that.

 

It will be interesting to see what the market is for closers/top relievers this winter. Its looking like the supply is going to outweigh the demand, so I'm not sure we'd be able to get full value for Dempster. Although, I hope its something the FO will at least explore.

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Why are we considering Soriano, Aram and Lee locks for next year. Iknow Hendry probably wont trade them. However what could be had in return for trading any one of these guys could really get the Cubs a younger cheaper budding superstar. None of these 3 guys is in the top 5 in there position in baseball. Soriano isnt even close. However they all have reputations that are worth more than there actual value. For that matter the same can be said about Howry and Lily, not quite at the same level

 

If we can get Matt Kemp for one of these guys, I would do it. These are the types of moves that the Cubs have to make to get to the next level. Not getting more overpaid, deteriating players.

 

Realistically the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Braves, Mets and Marlins are probably in better position this offseason than the Cubs. These are only the NL teams. The Phillies and Cardinals might be in as good of shape as the Cubs. This team has to take a different direction while good value can still be had for some of our better players. If done right we could be he Cleveland Indians in 4 yrs. If we keep going the direction we are headed we will be the Baltimore Orioles in 2 yrs, with none of these players having much trade value.

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Why are we considering Soriano, Aram and Lee locks for next year. Iknow Hendry probably wont trade them. However what could be had in return for trading any one of these guys could really get the Cubs a younger cheaper budding superstar. None of these 3 guys is in the top 5 in there position in baseball. Soriano isnt even close. However they all have reputations that are worth more than there actual value. For that matter the same can be said about Howry and Lily, not quite at the same level

 

If we can get Matt Kemp for one of these guys, I would do it. These are the types of moves that the Cubs have to make to get to the next level. Not getting more overpaid, deteriating players.

 

Realistically the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Braves, Mets and Marlins are probably in better position this offseason than the Cubs. These are only the NL teams. The Phillies and Cardinals might be in as good of shape as the Cubs. This team has to take a different direction while good value can still be had for some of our better players. If done right we could be he Cleveland Indians in 4 yrs. If we keep going the direction we are headed we will be the Baltimore Orioles in 2 yrs, with none of these players having much trade value.

 

Maybe if we had missed the playoffs this year we coul talk about trading our franchise players and blow up the organization so we could rebuild the right way. Since we made the playoffs, we are pretty much stuck with making whatever moves we can around these guys and their contracts that will increase.

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To improve this team we need to stop the carrosel in CF and RF, and get a some good stability (along with good players) in those spots.

 

Floyd was not good this year. Get an actual player.

Forget Prior.

Dempster is fine, Woody should be back.

Go with Murton OR Pie. Then get a very good bat for either CF or RF.

This is ofcourse unless you get Arod. Then you probably could play Murton AND Pie.

 

Overall, I think Murton deserves a shot. He does have the ability to possibly hit 15-25 HR and post a decent slugging and good OBP. The most important thing is to get rid of floyd and jones and get some stability in that outfield. Murton deserves the shot.

 

Why? Hes cheap and under our control,and just had surgery to fix the problem he was having. It would be idiotic to get rid of him.

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Why are we considering Soriano, Aram and Lee locks for next year. Iknow Hendry probably wont trade them. However what could be had in return for trading any one of these guys could really get the Cubs a younger cheaper budding superstar. None of these 3 guys is in the top 5 in there position in baseball. Soriano isnt even close. However they all have reputations that are worth more than there actual value. For that matter the same can be said about Howry and Lily, not quite at the same level

 

If we can get Matt Kemp for one of these guys, I would do it. These are the types of moves that the Cubs have to make to get to the next level. Not getting more overpaid, deteriating players.

 

Realistically the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Braves, Mets and Marlins are probably in better position this offseason than the Cubs. These are only the NL teams. The Phillies and Cardinals might be in as good of shape as the Cubs. This team has to take a different direction while good value can still be had for some of our better players. If done right we could be he Cleveland Indians in 4 yrs. If we keep going the direction we are headed we will be the Baltimore Orioles in 2 yrs, with none of these players having much trade value.

 

Maybe if we had missed the playoffs this year we coul talk about trading our franchise players and blow up the organization so we could rebuild the right way. Since we made the playoffs, we are pretty much stuck with making whatever moves we can around these guys and their contracts that will increase.

 

You are right. I did mention that Hendry would never do it. Maybe a new owner will bring a new GM who may be much more progessive.

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Very nice summary - what are the main doubts behind Jones? I know he had a terrible year but is he hurt? His BABIP is about 30 points below average - he'd have numbers on par with his career average if his BABIP were 30 pts higher.

 

One of my big concerns with Jones is that even when he's good, he's a low BA, average OBP guy. His slugging is usually good and we could use another power bat, but he's a lot like hitters that we have.

 

I also wonder exactly how much money he's going to command. I'm not convinced that his one horrible year will deflate his value enough to compensate for the risk in signing him.

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Why are we considering Soriano, Aram and Lee locks for next year. Iknow Hendry probably wont trade them. However what could be had in return for trading any one of these guys could really get the Cubs a younger cheaper budding superstar. None of these 3 guys is in the top 5 in there position in baseball. Soriano isnt even close. However they all have reputations that are worth more than there actual value. For that matter the same can be said about Howry and Lily, not quite at the same level

 

If we can get Matt Kemp for one of these guys, I would do it. These are the types of moves that the Cubs have to make to get to the next level. Not getting more overpaid, deteriating players.

 

Realistically the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Braves, Mets and Marlins are probably in better position this offseason than the Cubs. These are only the NL teams. The Phillies and Cardinals might be in as good of shape as the Cubs. This team has to take a different direction while good value can still be had for some of our better players. If done right we could be he Cleveland Indians in 4 yrs. If we keep going the direction we are headed we will be the Baltimore Orioles in 2 yrs, with none of these players having much trade value.

 

Maybe if we had missed the playoffs this year we coul talk about trading our franchise players and blow up the organization so we could rebuild the right way. Since we made the playoffs, we are pretty much stuck with making whatever moves we can around these guys and their contracts that will increase.

 

You are right. I did mention that Hendry would never do it. Maybe a new owner will bring a new GM who may be much more progessive.

 

I'm not really even sure it's a Hendry thing. There's not many owners/GMs that would. However it should have been done last offseason, because other than Soriano we had those same trade chips.

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Why are we considering Soriano, Aram and Lee locks for next year. Iknow Hendry probably wont trade them. However what could be had in return for trading any one of these guys could really get the Cubs a younger cheaper budding superstar. None of these 3 guys is in the top 5 in there position in baseball. Soriano isnt even close. However they all have reputations that are worth more than there actual value. For that matter the same can be said about Howry and Lily, not quite at the same level

 

If we can get Matt Kemp for one of these guys, I would do it. These are the types of moves that the Cubs have to make to get to the next level. Not getting more overpaid, deteriating players.

 

Realistically the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Braves, Mets and Marlins are probably in better position this offseason than the Cubs. These are only the NL teams. The Phillies and Cardinals might be in as good of shape as the Cubs. This team has to take a different direction while good value can still be had for some of our better players. If done right we could be he Cleveland Indians in 4 yrs. If we keep going the direction we are headed we will be the Baltimore Orioles in 2 yrs, with none of these players having much trade value.

 

Maybe if we had missed the playoffs this year we coul talk about trading our franchise players and blow up the organization so we could rebuild the right way. Since we made the playoffs, we are pretty much stuck with making whatever moves we can around these guys and their contracts that will increase.

 

You are right. I did mention that Hendry would never do it. Maybe a new owner will bring a new GM who may be much more progessive.

 

I'm not really even sure it's a Hendry thing. There's not many owners/GMs that would. However it should have been done last offseason, because other than Soriano we had those same trade chips.

 

Maybe the new owner can get Shapiro from Cleveland.

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Marshall

Ohman

Patterson

Jones

These guys are all trade bait and could end up netting the Cubs Renteria, but I would prefer they make a huge run at A-Rod.

I'm in favor of keeping Dempster and Wood next season. Let the bullpen be a strength. It would be nice to have Marmol and Howry not be burned out by seasons end again.

 

This isn't a team that needs to be rebuilt it's a team that could easily win 90 plus games with the addition of a healthy Prior and Arod at short. The Cubs for the first time in my lifetime have three young promising postion players ready to contribute in Soto,Pie, Murton. Not to mention some already helping in Hill, Marmol, Theriot, ect. Sorry guys I know this playoff run was brutal but it was three games. Small sample size. We didn't even get a shot to see what Soranio can really do this season with his injurys and postions switches.

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Why are we considering Soriano, Aram and Lee locks for next year. Iknow Hendry probably wont trade them. However what could be had in return for trading any one of these guys could really get the Cubs a younger cheaper budding superstar. None of these 3 guys is in the top 5 in there position in baseball. Soriano isnt even close. However they all have reputations that are worth more than there actual value. For that matter the same can be said about Howry and Lily, not quite at the same level

 

If we can get Matt Kemp for one of these guys, I would do it. These are the types of moves that the Cubs have to make to get to the next level. Not getting more overpaid, deteriating players.

 

Realistically the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Braves, Mets and Marlins are probably in better position this offseason than the Cubs. These are only the NL teams. The Phillies and Cardinals might be in as good of shape as the Cubs. This team has to take a different direction while good value can still be had for some of our better players. If done right we could be he Cleveland Indians in 4 yrs. If we keep going the direction we are headed we will be the Baltimore Orioles in 2 yrs, with none of these players having much trade value.

 

Maybe if we had missed the playoffs this year we coul talk about trading our franchise players and blow up the organization so we could rebuild the right way. Since we made the playoffs, we are pretty much stuck with making whatever moves we can around these guys and their contracts that will increase.

 

You are right. I did mention that Hendry would never do it. Maybe a new owner will bring a new GM who may be much more progessive.

 

I'm not really even sure it's a Hendry thing. There's not many owners/GMs that would. However it should have been done last offseason, because other than Soriano we had those same trade chips.

 

Maybe the new owner can get Shapiro from Cleveland.

 

DEPO

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Why are we considering Soriano, Aram and Lee locks for next year. Iknow Hendry probably wont trade them. However what could be had in return for trading any one of these guys could really get the Cubs a younger cheaper budding superstar. None of these 3 guys is in the top 5 in there position in baseball. Soriano isnt even close. However they all have reputations that are worth more than there actual value. For that matter the same can be said about Howry and Lily, not quite at the same level

 

If we can get Matt Kemp for one of these guys, I would do it. These are the types of moves that the Cubs have to make to get to the next level. Not getting more overpaid, deteriating players.

 

Realistically the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Braves, Mets and Marlins are probably in better position this offseason than the Cubs. These are only the NL teams. The Phillies and Cardinals might be in as good of shape as the Cubs. This team has to take a different direction while good value can still be had for some of our better players. If done right we could be he Cleveland Indians in 4 yrs. If we keep going the direction we are headed we will be the Baltimore Orioles in 2 yrs, with none of these players having much trade value.

 

I would love to take advantage of the messy situation and incompetent management in LA and land as many of their young players as possible. Loney, Kemp, and Ethier are all there for the taking. Billingsley hasn't been involved in the controversey, but up until very recently was clearly undervalued by the team. Its been mentioned before, but we should offer up Lee + for Loney, Kemp, and whoever else we can get. Kershaw isn't realistic, but DLee still is a big name and signed to a fairly resonable contract. We could not only clear out a lot of money, but also improve the team if we take advantage of the situation.

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Why are we considering Soriano, Aram and Lee locks for next year. Iknow Hendry probably wont trade them. However what could be had in return for trading any one of these guys could really get the Cubs a younger cheaper budding superstar. None of these 3 guys is in the top 5 in there position in baseball. Soriano isnt even close. However they all have reputations that are worth more than there actual value. For that matter the same can be said about Howry and Lily, not quite at the same level

 

If we can get Matt Kemp for one of these guys, I would do it. These are the types of moves that the Cubs have to make to get to the next level. Not getting more overpaid, deteriating players.

 

Realistically the Rockies, Padres, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Braves, Mets and Marlins are probably in better position this offseason than the Cubs. These are only the NL teams. The Phillies and Cardinals might be in as good of shape as the Cubs. This team has to take a different direction while good value can still be had for some of our better players. If done right we could be he Cleveland Indians in 4 yrs. If we keep going the direction we are headed we will be the Baltimore Orioles in 2 yrs, with none of these players having much trade value.

 

I would love to take advantage of the messy situation and incompetent management in LA and land as many of their young players as possible. Loney, Kemp, and Ethier are all there for the taking. Billingsley hasn't been involved in the controversey, but up until very recently was clearly undervalued by the team. Its been mentioned before, but we should offer up Lee + for Loney, Kemp, and whoever else we can get. Kershaw isn't realistic, but DLee still is a big name and signed to a fairly resonable contract. We could not only clear out a lot of money, but also improve the team if we take advantage of the situation.

 

Lee + Dempster for Loney + Kemp, count me in.

 

For CF, Pie clearly isn't ready yet, unless something unexpected happens over the winter. He just can't hit ML pitching to this point. Would there be any interest in David DeJesus to bridge the gap? KC is ready to move him for help elsewhere and turn CF over to Joey Gathrait. DeJesus is no world beater, but he's a very acceptable average player. Consistent 350-360 OBP, OK speed, good defense, consistent 100 OPS+ guy. Cubs could likely get him straight up for Sean Marshall, IMO.

 

Cubs could then (finally) dump Jones and let Pie play a full season in AAA to try and get his bat to mature some.

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For CF, Pie clearly isn't ready yet, unless something unexpected happens over the winter. He just can't hit ML pitching to this point.

How in the wide, wide, world of sports can you say that? He's been given a handful of sporatic ABs while being a defensive replacement for almost the entire year.

 

[this comment does not pertain directly to DKWG's post] It is the same crap again and again with our young players. A young player gets a handful of sporatic ABs during the year and "they can't hit major league pitching". Thank Soto has mashes the ball so far.

 

I just don't understand the logic.

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For CF, Pie clearly isn't ready yet, unless something unexpected happens over the winter. He just can't hit ML pitching to this point.

How in the wide, wide, world of sports can you say that? He's been given a handful of sporatic ABs while being a defensive replacement for almost the entire year.

 

[this comment does not pertain directly to DKWG's post] It is the same crap again and again with our young players. A young player gets a handful of sporatic ABs during the year and "they can't hit major league pitching". Thank Soto has mashes the ball so far.

 

I just don't understand the logic.

 

He did have 177 AB's. He played in 26 games in June and hit .218. I understand this isn't much, but he hasn't shown much when he had the opportunity to show-case his stuff. He really hasn't done anything with the bat that excite's you. I hope he gets another shot at it next year. He can't be as bad as he's shown so far.

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For CF, Pie clearly isn't ready yet, unless something unexpected happens over the winter. He just can't hit ML pitching to this point.

How in the wide, wide, world of sports can you say that? He's been given a handful of sporatic ABs while being a defensive replacement for almost the entire year.

 

[this comment does not pertain directly to DKWG's post] It is the same crap again and again with our young players. A young player gets a handful of sporatic ABs during the year and "they can't hit major league pitching". Thank Soto has mashes the ball so far.

 

I just don't understand the logic.

 

 

This is the curse of being a Cub fan. I am all for letting Pie be our CFer next season. I am not sure how much more he is going to learn hitting a 1.000 OPS in AAA. He needs to learn how to hit major league pitching. He can only do that playing major league baseball.

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Dollars to doughnuts that Jacque and Pie platoon at CF next year. I bet Hendry goes after a left handed corner outfield bat to platoon with Murt. Probably someone like Shawn Green. I wonder if Abreau's status has slipped from premium free agent to sub premium.
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I wouldnt mind seeing Cedeno get a real shot at SS this SP if we cant land Renteria(I'll get toasted for this I know) but I see the upside in him alot more than I do over Theriot. He has more pop and a better glove, Im not saying an All Star or gold glove but a solid SS that is cheap.

 

also, what are our bench options? we need to re-up Ward and maybe just maybe we can add someone like Scott Hatteberg(again toasted) from the FA market, Theriot supersub; and we need to add a back up C for Soto. I dont want Kendall and Hank back!

 

I'm sick and tired of giving up on our young players to get a renta player for maybe a shot at the WS!!!!!!!

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